Westminster Politics

outrage in your echo chamber maybe.

Don't you think it's curious that they're putting up such a strong defence for an adviser? By strength I mean the amount of effort Boris and his allies have put into it, the argument is pretty weak obviously.
 
Careful what you wish for
Gove and bannon as replacements
Or they might go full on patel and Katie Hopkins...and no no election for more than four years

I mean the Conservatives won on a manifesto promising to repeal the fixed term parliament act without replacing it. The FTP act itself stripped all legislation limiting the durations of parliament, so they essentially won on a manifesto promising indefinite parliaments.
 
Yeah, I think that’s a fair take. Thing is, Cummings doesn’t have a leg to stand on. And the fact Johnson has backed him so brazenly just goes to show how in his thrall the upper echelons of the party are.

Totally.
That was just about the most embarrassing speech I have ever seen from a PM.

To say that he was making it up as he went along and was inventing reasons why it was acceptable is an understatement.

Boris should know that when you are in the sh1t, stop digging.
He convinced no one that Cummings was within the lockdown restrictions.
All he did was to confirm what a compulsive liar he is.

And far worse, he obviously knew about this for weeks and did sweet F ALL.

This government really does stink to high heaven.
 
What a waste of time. Durham police already dealt with it and didn't feel it needed action taken.

No it’s a complaint about the second alleged violation of lockdown rules, which the police were not aware of at the time. The trip to Durham that coincided with his mum’s birthday.
 
Officially reported to police.


Good job. I was just saying that if he is reported to the police, they'll have to do a thorough investigation into what actually transpired. We should have some clarity on this in the coming days and weeks. I suspect its going get bad for Cummings and Johnson.
 
What a waste of time. Durham police already dealt with it and didn't feel it needed action taken.

Yes but it looks like he broken the lockdown rules on multiple occasions. If he did so after already having been spoken to, then he was commiting a crime, was he not?
 
The only surprising thing about any of this, is the number of surprised people in this thread. Did you guys really think Boris was going to sack Cummings?
This! The only person getting sacked here is whoever sent that Civil Service tweet. Boris relies on Cummings almost totally.
 
Yes but it looks like he broken the lockdown rules on multiple occasions. If he did so after already having been spoken to, then he was commiting a crime, was he not?

He’s too high up in government to commit a crime. Those are for common people.
 
No it’s a complaint about the second alleged violation of lockdown rules, which the police were not aware of at the time. The trip to Durham that coincided with his mum’s birthday.
Ah ok. It's only a fine at worst though isn't it? Much as I'd love to see a pissed off Durham police really go for him, I don't want to get my hopes up.
 
The last few days has made me certain that Cummings' knowledge of skulduggery in the Leave campaign includes something that has the potential to destroy Johnson.
 
The last few days has made me certain that Cummings' knowledge of skulduggery in the Leave campaign includes something that has the potential to destroy Johnson.
What could possibly be dubious about a Prime Minister who will - literally - play you at tennis for a £50,000 'donation', especially if you happen to be a Russian government representative?
 
What could possibly be dubious about a Prime Minister who will - literally - play you at tennis for a £50,000 'donation', especially if you happen to be a Russian government representative?

To be fair, that sort of thing has been in the playbook of both parties for a couple of decades now. Didn't the Tory treasurer take a bullet for Cameron a while back over donors being rewarded with private dinners at dining street?
 
To be fair, that sort of thing has been in the playbook of both parties for a couple of decades now. Didn't the Tory treasurer take a bullet for Cameron a while back over donors being rewarded with private dinners at dining street?
Yeah, true. May used to entertain arms dealers...which is one of the few times I'd feel sympathy with them.
 
From my perspective, I couldn’t give a toss about Cummings or what he did. What really enrages me though is the way that these soulless politicians (Hancock, Patel, JRM, Gove etc.) have rallied around him.

For me, it’s not just Cummings position thats untenable but every single one of them that have come out in public support of him. This isn’t left versus right, remain versus leave, this purely comes down to the integrity, trust and moral compass of those that clearly do not deserve to be in the positions that they are in. An absolute embarrassment that the public is getting treated like this by elected officials.
 
Ah ok. It's only a fine at worst though isn't it? Much as I'd love to see a pissed off Durham police really go for him, I don't want to get my hopes up.

Didn’t the poundland May try to sound tough the other day in the press conference for those breaching the lockdown? £1000 fines or something.

I’m hoping for more quality journalism this evening and over the coming days that further contradicts the bellends supposedly running this country.
 
From my perspective, I couldn’t give a toss about Cummings or what he did. What really enrages me though is the way that these soulless politicians (Hancock, Patel, JRM, Gove etc.) have rallied around him.

For me, it’s not just Cummings position thats untenable but every single one of them that have come out in public support of him. This isn’t left versus right, remain versus leave, this purely comes down to the integrity, trust and moral compass of those that clearly do not deserve to be in the positions that they are in. An absolute embarrassment that the public is getting treated like this by elected officials.

Hear hear to that.
 
Five(!) members of the SAGE subcommittee have now registered their disdain for the government's response, and for the way its members have ignored the committee's advice.
 
The cabinet ministers can all feck off with that until they grow a pair and publicly call out Boris or resign.
Agreed, I ignore all the tweets about cabinet members or MPs being disgruntled. Means feck all.
Ah ok. It's only a fine at worst though isn't it? Much as I'd love to see a pissed off Durham police really go for him, I don't want to get my hopes up.
Well from Police sure, it's a fine. But the damaging impact we'd hope for is for them to publish that he was indeed fined for breaking the lockdown rules and we'd let Downing Street do the rest.
 
Seriously, he's the worst-dressed man since me.
 
Ah ok. It's only a fine at worst though isn't it? Much as I'd love to see a pissed off Durham police really go for him, I don't want to get my hopes up.

I think the importance is less in what action the police will take than what they will uncover. At the moment we only have eyewitness testimony. If the police confirm a second breach of lockdown I think his position truly teeters onto the brink of becoming untenable.
 
I've not followed the news for an hour, and on reading this thread my first thought was to agree with you, but then I've looked at the BBC and Sky online and there's feck all about Starmer. Going back through the thread it looks like all he's done is made a short tweet which has had and will have little impact. He should have had a press briefing and put forward his thoughts a lot more effectively than that. He should have made a call that would be headline news, not just made some insignificant tweet.

Never interrupt your enemy when he’s making a mistake.
 
The telling thing in that interview I believe was Johnson's palpable irritation. It's quite clear he knew that he was on the wrong side of the argument, and he recognised the absurdity of the position he has been compelled to adopt due to the hubris and misjudgement of his puppet-master. That's why he was so irritated at the questions and any attempts to follow up, because he knows his bluster can only hold for so long. Any serious scrutiny and it will be exposed so he cannot permit it to happen.

I think the press conference will backfire, too. I fail to see how that will win over people to the side of Cummings, and that is what Johnson needed to do, because it's evident they are on the backfoot when it comes to the opinion of the majority of the public and the media. The arrogance and failure to engage with the details will enrage the journalists and ensure they pursue this until they get answers. I've never seen such a unanimity of opinion across the political spectrum, certainly not in recent years, as to the moral corruptness of the government's present position.
Agreed, and Boris will "self isolate" himself away from any press briefings or questions until it blows over and we move on to the next big news story. The political version of putting your fingers in your ears and saying "not listening"
 
The last few days has made me certain that Cummings' knowledge of skulduggery in the Leave campaign includes something that has the potential to destroy Johnson.

Isn't that intelligence report on Russian interference in British democracy that was finished two months prior to the election still being kept secret?
 
I think the importance is less in what action the police will take than what they will uncover. At the moment we only have eyewitness testimony. If the police confirm a second breach of lockdown I think his position truly teeters onto the brink of becoming untenable.

Yeah I think it hinges on what happens with the second one. If there is undeniable evidence, then I don’t see how they can spin that. If it’s just the first, then I think it’ll blow over unfortunately.
 
Isn't that intelligence report on Russian interference in British democracy that was finished two months prior to the election still being kept secret?
We have yet another in a series of surreal, stupid situations in that Boris Johnson himself has yet to appoint a committee to approve the release of the report.
 
Well, all I can think is that Cummings has so much dirt on the Government that if he's sacked, or pushed out, or forced to resign, he'll spill goodness knows what, which will destroy reputations.

He's already shown himself to be totally unscrupulous and not to give a flying feck, he'd probably enjoy it and look forward to huge sales of his sordid memoirs.

They managed to shut JRM up, because they thought, quite rightly, that he was damaging the image of the party, but they are incapable of controlling this absolute fecking cnut of a man. (I think that's the technical term.)
It might also be because he can bully Boris into doing what he wants. He seems like the type. If he's that much of a cnut in public then feck knows what he's like behind closed doors. And we all know how much of a fecking coward Boris is.

Boris: "Please, Dom, take a seat. Um."
Dom: "I'll stand."
Boris: "right, um. Well. You um, you know that, um."
Dom: "in fact. I'll sit in your chair and YOU'LL stand."
Boris: "um, right yes, I'm, of course. Right so...um"
Dom: "HURRY IT UP YOU FAT BASTARD"
Boris: "you have to resign."
Dom: "feck off bacon face."
Boris: "of course, um, right. Yes."
 
From my perspective, I couldn’t give a toss about Cummings or what he did. What really enrages me though is the way that these soulless politicians (Hancock, Patel, JRM, Gove etc.) have rallied around him.

For me, it’s not just Cummings position thats untenable but every single one of them that have come out in public support of him. This isn’t left versus right, remain versus leave, this purely comes down to the integrity, trust and moral compass of those that clearly do not deserve to be in the positions that they are in. An absolute embarrassment that the public is getting treated like this by elected officials.

Good one!