Westminster Politics

Dobba said:
It's almost as easy to return a knighthood as it is to not bow in front of jug ears for it in the first place.
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It’s the highest honour a person can receive in this country so there’s no reason for him to return it. It’s recognition for his service to the public. Your republican fantasies are a minority position in this country so trying to slight him by calling him Sir is pretty useless.
 
Well, all I can think is that Cummings has so much dirt on the Government that if he's sacked, or pushed out, or forced to resign, he'll spill goodness knows what, which will destroy reputations.

He's already shown himself to be totally unscrupulous and not to give a flying feck, he'd probably enjoy it and look forward to huge sales of his sordid memoirs.

They managed to shut JRM up, because they thought, quite rightly, that he was damaging the image of the party, but they are incapable of controlling this absolute fecking cnut of a man. (I think that's the technical term.)
 
Classical Mechanic said:
It’s the highest honour a person can receive in this country so there’s no reason for him to return it. It’s recognition for his service to the public. Your republican fantasies are a minority position in this country so trying to slight him by calling him Sir is pretty useless.
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It's simultaneously the highest honour in the country and a slight. What a world.
 
The true relationship needs to be unearthed. I cannot believe a PM would sacrifice his availability for a mere advisor.
 
Dobba said:
It's simultaneously the highest honour in the country and a slight. What a world.
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A slight in the eyes of a fringe minority to which you belong. The Express and Mail might deride him as a champagne socialist but they preach to a choir. I think the majority in the UK believe in aspiration so Kier shouldn’t shy away from the fact he came from a humble background to reach the top of society through hard work. It’s a narrative that will resonate with the majority, in my opinion.
 
A UK Government spokesman said: "An unauthorised tweet was posted on a Government channel this evening.

"The post has been removed and we are investigating the matter."
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Unauthorised tweet you say... well who didn't see that coming. Account was hacked, post was made... very convenient that.
 
Sassy Colin said:
Well, all I can think is that Cummings has so much dirt on the Government that if he's sacked, or pushed out, or forced to resign, he'll spill goodness knows what, which will destroy reputations.

He's already shown himself to be totally unscrupulous and not to give a flying feck, he'd probably enjoy it and look forward to huge sales of his sordid memoirs.

They managed to shut JRM up, because they thought, quite rightly, that he was damaging the image of the party, but they are incapable of controlling this absolute fecking cnut of a man. (I think that's the technical term.)
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I think it’s because Boris knows he doesn’t have the intellect or muscle to govern without Cummings.

Its becoming increasingly clear that Cummings runs the country with the PM and cabinet to do his bidding. Remember that 45 MPs wrote tweets yesterday in his defence!
 
Adisa said:
The true relationship needs to be unearthed. I cannot believe a PM would sacrifice his availability for a mere advisor.
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He's only an advisor on paper, in the real world he is the Evil Emperor and Boris is Darth Vader (a fat small donkey looking motherfecker version)
 
Classical Mechanic said:
A slight in the eyes of a fringe minority to which you belong. The Express and Mail might deride him as a champagne socialist but they preach to a choir. I think the majority in the UK believe in aspiration so Kier shouldn’t shy away from the fact he came from a humble background to reach the top of society through hard work. It’s a narrative that will resonate with the majority, in my opinion.
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A fringe minority that includes both me and the bloke who doesn't like being called it, but not enough to turn it down or return it.

Anyway, we're distracting away from the forensic genius watching Johnson flap around in today's briefing and deciding the best route is to give him every right to say and do nothing for the years an inquiry would take.
 
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I remember when being close to death was going to make Boris a new man.
Those were he days.
 
Dobba said:
A fringe minority that includes both me and the bloke who doesn't like being called it, but not enough to turn it down or return it.
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He doesn’t like being referred to as Sir because it comes across as too deferential. Plenty of people accept the honour but don’t use the title. I don’t see a conflict in accepting the honour but not wanting to use the title in everyday life, none at all.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
He doesn’t like being referred to as Sir because it comes across as too deferential. Plenty of people accept the honour but don’t use the title. I don’t see a conflict in accepting the honour but not wanting to use the title in everyday life, none at all.
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Whereas bowing in front of a man, deemed your superior at birth because of how magical his parents' genitals are, to accept it...
 
Classical Mechanic said:
A slight in the eyes of a fringe minority to which you belong. The Express and Mail might deride him as a champagne socialist but they preach to a choir. I think the majority in the UK believe in aspiration so Kier shouldn’t shy away from the fact he came from a humble background to reach the top of society through hard work. It’s a narrative that will resonate with the majority, in my opinion.
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If he gave it up the Mail and Express would spend the next four years talking about how he was a commie who disrespected the Queen. It would be a pointless own goal, especially as he’s not a Republican so giving it up wouldn’t make much sense anyway.
 
Dobba said:
Whereas bowing in front of a man, deemed your superior at birth because of how magical his parents' genitals are, to accept it...
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You know why the ceremony is as it is. In fact you know the answers to all of the points you are making.

I think you are trolling for shits and giggles. I suggest you move on as you have more than made your feelings known here.
 
Ubik said:
Waiting until the PM had refused to act was a smart move.
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I've not followed the news for an hour, and on reading this thread my first thought was to agree with you, but then I've looked at the BBC and Sky online and there's feck all about Starmer. Going back through the thread it looks like all he's done is made a short tweet which has had and will have little impact. He should have had a press briefing and put forward his thoughts a lot more effectively than that. He should have made a call that would be headline news, not just made some insignificant tweet.
 
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Quite a move for ITV to come out so strongly against Boris on this. Just awaiting to see what side Laura Kuenesberg comes out on.

This will rumble on. Wonder if masses will hold noisy protests outside parliament and Downing Street which would then require physical action from police to disperse the public and deny them the right to protest.

This can get messy very quickly of those in dissent play it right and get organised.
 
My mum would be leaning towards tories, although she's not really into politics and doesn't vote but she's absolutely incensed at this debacle. She's seeing red here cause we've been made to adhere to the lockdown rules and that scruffy wanker just does as he pleases. I'm sure there are a lot of people like that, whatever their political leanings are. Hopefully the pressure will be to great for Johnson.
 
Acole9 said:
I'm not sure, I get the impression the journalists won't back down. The public's backs are probably going to be up.
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I cannot ever recall a time where public outrage has been so united in contempt for the government. Yesterday I felt Cummings would survive because eventually apathy sets in but I'm beginning to sense a serious zeal for some kind of repercussions from this fallout. We have still not even had an apology. People have made sacrifices and they are being treated like mugs in a manner that transcends political allegiances. Of course, more Tories will be willing to turn a blind eye, but it's cutting across the political divide to a significant extent.
 
BobbyManc said:
I cannot ever recall a time where public outrage has been so united in contempt for the government. Yesterday I felt Cummings would survive because eventually apathy sets in but I'm beginning to sense a serious zeal for some kind of repercussions from this fallout. We have still not even had an apology. People have made sacrifices and they are being treated like mugs in a manner that transcends political allegiances. Of course, more Tories will be willing to turn a blind eye, but it's cutting across the political divide to a significant extent.
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I think Steve Baker framed it well, Boris is burning through his political capital. He burnt through some more with that interview. I think more and more people are starting to realise that Cummings is running the country.
 
711 said:
I've not followed the news for an hour, and on reading this thread my first thought was to agree with you, but then I've looked at the BBC and Sky online and there's feck all about Starmer. Going back through the thread it looks like all he's done is made a short tweet which has had and will have little impact. He should have had a press briefing and put forward his thoughts a lot more effectively than that. He should have made a call that would be headline news, not just made some insignificant tweet.
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The question is how much and when he wants to put himself in the middle of the discussion. As it stands Boris will be already be all over the frontpage of tomorrow's papers defending Cummings, which is undoubtedly going to be an unpopular position. Although he certainly had to respond to the PM today, I'm not necessarily sure he'd want to change the current headlines in the slightest.
 
Surely footage like CCTV can be pulled up if a police investigation is launched. If he was spoken to and broken the rules again, and on multiple occasions, then he has committed a crime has he not?
 
MaxiPaxi said:
Surely footage like CCTV can be pulled up if a police investigation is launched. If he was spoken to and broken the rules again, and on multiple occasions, then he has committed a crime has he not?
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Youd imagine that castle would have something wouldnt it?
 
sullydnl said:
The question is how much and when he wants to put himself in the middle of the discussion. As it stands Boris will be already be all over the frontpage of tomorrow's papers defending Cummings, which is undoubtedly going to be an unpopular position. Although he certainly had to respond to the PM today, I'm not necessarily sure he'd want to change the current headlines in the slightest.
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A staged response, as in by stages? Could be yes, I hope so anyway. I'm not anti-Starmer, I've an open mind on him, I hope he does well.
 
BobbyManc said:
I cannot ever recall a time where public outrage has been so united in contempt for the government. Yesterday I felt Cummings would survive because eventually apathy sets in but I'm beginning to sense a serious zeal for some kind of repercussions from this fallout. We have still not even had an apology. People have made sacrifices and they are being treated like mugs in a manner that transcends political allegiances. Of course, more Tories will be willing to turn a blind eye, but it's cutting across the political divide to a significant extent.
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outrage in your echo chamber maybe.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
Surely footage like CCTV can be pulled up if a police investigation is launched. If he was spoken to and broken the rules again, and on multiple occasions, then he has committed a crime has he not?
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Don't make the mistake of trusting the police.
 
arnie_ni said:
Youd imagine that castle would have something wouldnt it?
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Well the motorway will have plenty. Petrol stations etc. There just needs a reason to get this footage - I'm positive its there.
 
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