Aren't there studies that show we lose way less money to benefit cheats than tax evasion? Benefit cheats on the whole is a bit of a myth, but people lap it up
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Aren't there studies that show we lose way less money to benefit cheats than tax evasion? Benefit cheats on the whole is a bit of a myth, but people lap it up
I think you meant the other way around, and I agree it's not as big an issue as the media portays, though definitely happens. Close the loopholes, tax the rich, fund mental health services and the NHS, help people into work, challenge people who are able but choosing not to. That's fair, no?
Yeah that is what I meant. Corrected. And yeah I agree.
It's just such a childish question with ridiculous assumptions I'm almost stunlocked by it
Progressive politics in 2024 - We need to fund mental health services with the money we can’t afford because the tories destroyed the country. We need to challenge people on benefits without cutting benefits.
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Sorry, I'll avoid 'ridiculous assumptions'. Now, back to why a would be government minister thinks the Tories aren't 'tough enough on benefits' because of all those living on them as a lifestyle choice.
The trouble with forcing these people who 'choose not to work' into jobs is that they'll end up not working while employed, being shit at whatever job they are assigned to next to competant people and do more harm than good wherever they go. Just let them have their £85 quid a week and let them stay out of the way of working people if that's what they want.
Although, I suppose it's worth looking at the maths in these situations too. There will be competant people who are unemployed, but for whom taking a job would see them losing money, once they are taken off housing allowances and have to pay for daytime childcare, which often costs more per hour than you can make at work. The government have created a system whereby it'd be stupid to come off benefits and into work.
Kendall speed running the 2015 era
She said that the Tories 'claim to be tough'
The elephant in the room is an ageing population, living longer, taking up more NHS resources, who vote for governments which strangle the young people who are not being born in large enough numbers to fund everything. Something's got to give. The system is destined to break.
My goodness, how dare they?
Most of them vote tory. What can I tell you? They're inherently selfish people
Co-signMost of them vote tory. What can I tell you? They're inherently selfish people
Do you think she brought up the cost because she thinks its too low?
Would be an odd choice considering she's talking about bringing it down within the first five years of a Starmer regime.
It's an uncomfortable truth though. Not enough tax payers to cover the cost of pensioners unless we immediatley start siring lots of children or bringing in immigrant workers en masse.
That's on top of accepting that anyone under 40 might never be able to retire.
Or she thinks it's too high and action needs to be taken that is more than just acting tough
You're whataboutisms are we transparent as hasbara spiel. Ukraine is not undergoing a Labour approved genocide.
Edit: Galloway and Corbyn will not abandon Ukraine if that's what you meant.
So the Tories aren't tough enough. As I said.
Their version of tough sees too many people for Kendall in receipt of benefits, therefore they're not being tough enough.
Most of them vote tory. What can I tell you? They're inherently selfish people
Yes, living that long does make you selfish, or if you prefer 'conservative', wanting to keep more of what they earn, unfortunately it can happen to the best of them.
The biggest problem of course is that people are out living the expectations of former generations, government planning etc. Of course raising the age for retirement might help and push up the death rate.
Don't know what the figures are today, but at one time and in certain occupations very few people tended to live up to ten years beyond their retirement. At one time even in the 50's and early 60's it was less than 50% made it beyond 3-4 years after retirement, especially in manual-labour type occupations, miners, heavy manufacturing, construction/outdoor repair working, etc. then when they did make it to the state pension it was a mere pittance (still is relatively speaking). So shortage of money, age and illness, cold houses and poor food also took its toll.
However, that's all change now the 'boomers' are living the dream their forefathers had, early retirement, lots a money, world cruises and new cars, etc. every few years.
Suppose you have to ask yourself the question can the state afford to let people live so long... especially when they may tend to vote Tory.... hold on, maybe that's why the Tory Party is seen as the natural Party of government... they live longer!!
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He was booed at every corner in Rochdale, why would they vote for someone who was complicit with his leader in staying silent or worse supporting the massacres in Gaza.
So like every other politician?
That's certainly one reading but it isn't the only conclusion you can take from Kendall's words. It could be that Kendall believes that Tory toughness is a necessary component of a winning strategy but insufficient on its own. So she advocates retaining the stick as is, but marries that to a (fairly vague) strategy of improving the nation's health and providing a better class of carrot in the shape of improved training schemes and better paying jobs. Only with these powers combined etc...
Seems to me to be just an extension of the generic argle-bargle you expect from the average politician - ie it's designed so you can read into it what you want.
The meltdown in government and the media is hilarious. FFS, pull yourselves together you donkeys.
Is every other politician believing in deep state conspiracies??
So just like the last 3 PMs.
Words fail...again.
Home Office refuses Afghan youth orchestra visas days before first gig
Portugal-based musicians on tour have played Breaking the Silence across Europe after Taliban seized music institute in Kabul
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2...sas-for-tour-of-england-days-before-first-gig
Home Office refuses Afghan youth orchestra visas days before first gig
Portugal-based musicians on tour have played Breaking the Silence across Europe after Taliban seized music institute in Kabul
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2...sas-for-tour-of-england-days-before-first-gig
Well if Galloway has the same beliefs as them it says it all.
A good chunk of the party in power apparently and our previous PM seem too. Conveniently glossing over the "party in power" (for 14 years) bit.
You literally said if every other politician believes in conspiracy theories, well yeah, how about the PMs themselves. Not only the current one, but also the one before, that if we want to exclude the other PM Tony fecking Blair with his "Saddam is building an atomic bomb" in 2002 which was the biggest foreign policy lie in modern history.
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Blair was 100 times more of a religious/conspiracy lying politician (politest word I could use in place of cnut) than Corbyn and Galloway. He just had 100 times better PR than those two. The blood, oh my God, on those Labour hands.
coming over here, stealing are woodwind instrument’s jobs.
"The British Empire was a good thing that benefitted the world" must be up there too.
These are the same dickheads that have had Nigel fecking Farage on a pedestal for the last 10+ years despite the fact that he constantly fails to make it as an MP. Like him or (most likely) not, Galloway keeps winning elections, why have the press and politicians any more right to be rude to/about him than all the other dweebs that represent us in Parliament?
Why aren't they outraged about Liz Truss swanning around spreading conspiracy theories as we pay her vast prime ministerial pension and security for life in exchange for 44 days of utter catastrophe?
I think Galloway is a complete and utter cnut, but it's a bit rich of this current government - who weren't elected, just like the short lived government before them - talking about anything related to democracy.
My partner works for DWP processing PIP claims and thinks an enormous majority of people are gaming/manipulating the system. She also sees a ton of ‘fraud’ daily - EG people claiming PIP because they can’t do XYZ, but also in receipt of carers allowance to do XYZ for someone else in the house, who also claims PIP and carers allowance for someone else, and so on.
I think people are ultimately driven to behave in certain ways and I believe in a comprehensive benefits system but the current set up is open to a lot of manipulation.
I think people are ultimately driven to behave in certain ways and I believe in a comprehensive benefits system but the current set up is open to a lot of manipulation.