That really was a battering
I was briefly tempted to think that Galloway could even cause a leftward course correction from Starmer. But that would be about as optimistic as expecting the tories to be wiped out at the GE.
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That really was a battering
I was briefly tempted to think that Galloway could even cause a leftward course correction from Starmer. But that would be about as optimistic as expecting the tories to be wiped out at the GE.
Nah plenty of us are also deeply concerned about children in Yemen for instance.
Though it would be nice if the leader of the party you're adamant we should vote for didn't pull out all the stops to absolve a genocidal state, punishes his own MPs who vote for a ceasefire (the feckin gall of those antisemites), and go on the record on public radio to claim Israel had a right to deprive Palestinians of water, fuel and medicine. Like it or not that does constitute a red line for some of us. Like I've always said here, if Starmer fails to land in no10 he has no one but himself to blame. By all means vote for him, but maybe cut the shaming act for those of us who feel principally uncomfortable at the idea of doing so.
I agree with your insistence on voting, that's why third parties and independent candidates exist.
That really was a battering
I was briefly tempted to think that Galloway could even cause a leftward course correction from Starmer. But that would be about as optimistic as expecting the tories to be wiped out at the GE.
I think Galloway will be feeling very emboldened today, not because of how he won the by-election but because those theatrics by Sunak were triggered by Galloway’s performance which will have really shaken the Tory party. A left wing, pro-Islam candidate winning so comprehensively isn’t the narrative they want in the press tomorrow.
I thought those who obediently support Starmer were against such message politics.
If we're bothered about effective democratic engagement then a smaller Labour margin with someone like the greens gaining vote share would be more productive.
He's always had the gift of the gab, remember way back where he did a similar demolition job in the US senate.That really was a battering
So to summarize Rushi Sunak's speech. An unelected PM moans about an MP winning an election democratically and say this is a danger on the country's democracy?
Yeah but that’s a fallacy. We live in a mostly binary democracy.
We need two turns of Labour government, and a groundswell of populist drive to drag them left. That will never happen. We are a country of small thinkers and protectionists.
Even when this country is shown a productive way forward, all it takes is a political shock for half the country to shit its pants and lose faith.
Blair’s Labour wasn’t great. But it was doing good things. Browns government would have been more socialist. 2008 comes along… ‘“Labour wrecked the economy as always. Vote Tory”… and people buy it.
It will forever be that way in this country. I just wish people would quit pretending that it’s by accident and not design. We have a once in a hundred years chance to destroy the Tories. Let Reform have the 1 in 5 racists we have created. Vote for the largest anti-Tory majority in your constituency. If every single person in the country did that, the Tories might never come back.
But people are focused on why the Starmer left isn’t left enough. It’s why we always fecking lose. There are gay immigrant tories with transgender kids that will still vote blue, simply through obligation. Yet the left shits its pants because a daily mail headline puts ‘Labour MP seeks to privatise’ on the front page, despite the fact it never happened.
We are broken as a country, We need to just fecking vote for the national interest. Not our niche idea of what leftism looks like.
Why wouldn't they? Brown went into the 2010 election saying the solution was being tougher on benefits and making spending cuts. Darling wanted to cut deeper than Thatcher.
If the opposition and government are both saying the same things, why wouldn't the voters believe them?
They won't need to, Starmer will be implementing all their policies anyway.
Still, you'll be tutting whilst guaranteeing him your support, so he won't have it all his own way.
Not buying into this idea that somehow the Tories losing individual seats by a bigger margin forever kills their movement.
They've destroyed themselves already but even then they'll be back. They've got a big enough base and powerful media on hand. Labour winning less seats but Lib Dems being the official opposition would be a bigger blow to the Tories than them being a 60 seat opposition.
They've destroyed themselves already but even then they'll be back. They've got a big enough base and powerful media on hand. Labour winning less seats but Lib Dems being the official opposition would be a bigger blow to the Tories than them being a 60 seat opposition.
Great responses by GG. I liked Sam Coates when he was yelling abuse at Tory ministers ('will you defend anything Grant Shapps?'), but he comes across as a horrible, toadying, snivelling government lackey in that interview.
Workers Party of Britain Leader George Galloway: 'Chinese system is the one moving forward'
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2023-03-...he-one-moving-forward--1ipgZ4gABEs/index.html
I just love GG, he speaks the truth all the time.
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2023-03-...he-one-moving-forward--1ipgZ4gABEs/index.html
I just love GG, he speaks the truth all the time.
Whether you agree with his him or not, he's always been a great orator.
His appearence in the US Senate hearings back in the day was proof to me that the quality of British politicians across the political spectrum was substantialy better than their American counterparts. How times have changed.
Hearing brittish politicians from 70-80-early 90s, agreeing or disagreeing with them you can feel the statemanship, that they were well prepared. So americans, and so spanish and catalans. You could swear they speaking another language. Everything has changed everywhere at least with the politicians that I had been hearing from different countries/regions. The mediocrity is rampant. It seems that they dont care. That the platform that they run for is because they took that decision but they could defend the opposite without any problem. They are there for the money and the grift.
The previous decades politicians maybe they were for the money, but I could feel also that they believe what they were saying and they knew what they were talking about. Now they seem marionettes from other powers. They seem that is the worst that a country can offer and the best decide to go on private endeavours and they lobby to influence to those politicans
Politics are dead
In truth they should have tweeted out the full report. In the end the reporter takes on the role of a sort of antagonistic narrator and successfully winds up the audience (well two of the women) to make his point (from 07.24).
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Rishi out here doing Gods work protecting democracy. Great success.
Just so he gets the worst Conservative results in a general election in history. Great success.
Just so he gets the worst Conservative results in a general election in history. Great success.
What a prick with his 'febrile atmosphere' and 'raw emotion' when there's about a dozen people around, half of whom are ignoring him. You'd think he was commentating on the Nuremberg Rally.
It's astoundingly biased reporting. He's basically turned himself into an activist for Sunak
Now the government wants to control what we can and can not protest about.
They are completely out of touch with really.
They are completely out of touch with really.
That was great from GG. That reporter is such a weasly little prick.
Precisely. Amazing so many fail to see this. But apparently opposing British foreign policy and expecting our government to condemn the actions of all governments who bomb their neighbours into oblivion is extremism now.
Too right but none of the shat Sunak said yesterday holds water.
Of course not, he's got nothing else to lean on so resorting to culture wars is the only throw of the dice.
Ah... but it does, patriotism may be the last refuge of a scoundrel but Sunak is signalling this will be his platform to fight Labour at the next GE. It won't stop Labour winning but might stop Starmer getting the size of majority he needs to move the dial significantly.
Labour will no doubt lose quite a lot of Muslim votes in some key seats and if Sunak can make some dis-enfranchised Tory voters think twice, appeal to their patriotism, 'stiff upper lip' extra, then he might do just enough to 'hobble' Starmer.
Sunak would have been better off ignoring the GG victory, keeping a dignified silence and let Labour stew in its own juices. After all even on a good day the Tories were never going to get anywhere near, let alone win in Rochdale.
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Those people who would have been traditional Labour supporters, but are unable to support Starmer, are any of you Labour Party members?
Surely the best way to protest would be by doing it from inside the party as opposed to protesting by not voting at all and allowing the chance of a truly racist party to remain in power?
If you can make a feasible vote for a different party, go for it, if you have to hold your nose and vote for Labour, do that, but please, please, please vote against the Tories somehow.
Surely the best way to protest would be by doing it from inside the party as opposed to protesting by not voting at all and allowing the chance of a truly racist party to remain in power?
If you can make a feasible vote for a different party, go for it, if you have to hold your nose and vote for Labour, do that, but please, please, please vote against the Tories somehow.
Starmer silences dissent from the party line. I think he's expelled more members than the previous few leaders put together.
Even more reason to join
Seems a fair take to me! Sometimes in a democracy you are powerless but you are never powerless to try.
This is what gives him credibility in certain parts of both the Tory dis-enfranchised and the so called silent majority (supposedly the irregular/GE only, voters). One group feels that they may be able to trust him (one term only mind you) and the other think he's 'a get things done' kinda leader.
Some of us are probably Labour Party members who voted for Starmer as leader due to the policies he advocated in his leadership campaign, who have subsequently watched him discard each and every one of them. When that can happen, and the party ejects outspoken socialists from it's membership, you lose faith that you can change it from the inside.
I get that, but surely you're less likely to change Labour from the outside
I'm not sure. Look how UKIP changed the Tories from the outside. Their influence, and the Tories fear of losing a few seats to them, is a huge part of where we are today.
Yep. I didn't vote for Starmer in the leadership election because I suspected he was wolf in sheep's clothing but I know plenty of people that took him for his word and regret it now.
Journalists in Gaza are reportedly organising a whip-round in support of Sam Coates.
I don't think the left are as able to coalesce on a single theme like the right have with racism, the left is about inclusion for all, so having influence in a broad church like Labour is the pretty much the only option
Hes changed Labour to make it more appealing to those on the right and the daily mail crowd. which worked upto a point, but now the overton window shifted right and hes following, haemorrhaging support from the left. the daily mail will still give him a kicking (look at the recent attempted lynching of angela rayner) and unlike the blair years they wont support him in a GE. That 20 point lead could drop and in a FPTP system he may miss out on certain seats beacuse of single issue candidates, with the state of the country, , just seems theres been a missed opportunity for a decent left wing / centre left offering. - Corbyn running on a proper left wing agenda did get 40% of the vote in the 2017 GE...A John Smith type candidate would walk the election..
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