The quotes are from a new book by Patrick Maguire and Gabriel Pogrund. Both well know for their sources in the Labour Party(It’s a follow up to their book on Corbyn)
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Both work for Murdoch. And whether they have sources in Labour or not it is irrelevant. Spamming unverified shit is not really what most people look out for in political discussions.
Yeah somehow I don’t think you are looking for a political discussion.
Just keep it in the hypernormalisation thread brother. No need to spam this thread too.
Cheers for the advise hulkster but it’s a no.
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You shouldn't just dismiss everything from every media you don't like as of no value and unworthy of your consideration. That's some flat earth exiting the Matrix posturing, amounting to little more than poor media literacy.
The trick is to be aware of the biases and political influence and take them into consideration. For instance Murdoch's influence on The Times is much more often about what is published rather than its veracity, whereas with Fox News and The Sun they are just mouthpieces.
Even then The Sun has had stories of journalistic value in recent years despite it being little more than a hateful trash comic.
The trick is to be aware of the biases and political influence and take them into consideration. For instance Murdoch's influence on The Times is much more often about what is published rather than its veracity, whereas with Fox News and The Sun they are just mouthpieces.
Even then The Sun has had stories of journalistic value in recent years despite it being little more than a hateful trash comic.
Just read an FT piece on it now and it's not overly clear what happened. Seems bizarre though, given Reeves' constant Truss-esque ramblings about growth and being business friendly.
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Truss had a credible plan for business but it wasn't costed properly, that was her downfall. Reeves appears to have no plan at all and it's very worrying. In a year or two we are going to really feel this.
Oops, I meant to say it's not overly clear what happened. Were they just trying to squeeze more out of AZ cos they didn't like the fact it was a Tory deal or did AZ push for more. Seems a massive missed opportunity either way and it's hard enough to compete with the US and Singapore as it is.
You'd think after the tax hike they'd be open to using development or research grants and any other means to incentivise businesses if there's any substance to this growth push beyond Johnsonesque boosterism.
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AZ said the terms and amount of their proposed investment had not changed. I think it's clear enough the fault is on the Treasury.
Reform UK can win scores of Labour seats in England and Wales, says study
Analysis of a mega poll shows Keir Starmer would lose more seats than Tories amid voter discontent with main partieshttps://www.theguardian.com/politic...-labour-seats-in-england-and-wales-says-study
Labour faces losing scores of seats to Reform UK across England and Wales as a widening section of voters lose faith in the mainstream parties, according to a new analysis seen by the Observer.
With senior figures in the Labour party now privately talking about a “change of era” in which more moderate voters are turning to Nigel Farage’s party, new research on Reform’s influence suggests it will take far more seats from Labour than from the Conservatives on current trends.
Reform would win 76 seats if an election were held now, according to a constituency-by-constituency model. Of those, 60 would be won from Labour, including seats across the “red wall”, as well as in Wales and across the south of England.
However, the analysis also reveals that even a relatively small further swing towards Reform from Labour could see the party pick up another 76 Labour-held seats.
Just goes to prove how gullible some people are. Thinking that Nigel Farage and Reform would be able to run this country.
To those people, I would remind them of Brexit and the damage it has been and will continue do to the country.
hung parliament next election
It actually makes me angry. fecking imbeciles.
Yes me too.
And yet you look at local council elections, Reform have done horribly since the GE.
I get that these naturally have lower turnouts, but if the groundswell was genuine, then Reform would be having much better results at this level (especially given the voters who do vote in local elections are more likely to be the demographic of Reform voters).
I see, after the fanfare of building a 3rd runway at Heathrow, they're already backtracking.
Boris made the same pledge and it didn't go through. What makes them think their plans will be any different?
There will be the same protests, by people who decided to buy homes under the flight path and now complain that it's a bit noisy, isn't it. The environmental lobby will do everything they can to oppose it.
The merits, or otherwise, of an additional runway have been debated for decades, almost since the 2nd runway was completed.
They can promise what they like, it ain't going to happen, unless they completely ignore all the dissenting voices. Which not even those nasty Tories managed to do.
Boris made the same pledge and it didn't go through. What makes them think their plans will be any different?
There will be the same protests, by people who decided to buy homes under the flight path and now complain that it's a bit noisy, isn't it. The environmental lobby will do everything they can to oppose it.
The merits, or otherwise, of an additional runway have been debated for decades, almost since the 2nd runway was completed.
They can promise what they like, it ain't going to happen, unless they completely ignore all the dissenting voices. Which not even those nasty Tories managed to do.
Another normal day in Britain
Seems to really like Starmer
Two stable geniuses.
But when was the last time a PM actually stood up to the US President? Wilson over Vietnam?
Yep I think so.
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50 jobs a year, not to be sniffed at for a back bedroom operation but why is my man sporting the Nick Griffin nazi crop?
Seems like we're sleep walking into a Reform government next time around. The problem is that the traditional parties are so utterly shite.
I have no idea what the answer is.
My unfounded guess is CEO’s are similar to Tim Allen in The Santa Claus. The GB Energy guy probably wakes up every morning with a brand new toothbrush moustache and his right arm repeatedly doing Musk salutes.
He probably didn’t have the time to fix his hair.
Just found £18bn to give away the Chagos Islands.
Can anybody make sense of this madness? Is there any material explaining why actually this is a good decision for the UK?
Can anybody make sense of this madness? Is there any material explaining why actually this is a good decision for the UK?
The Tories and Reform will get together and Nigel Farage becomes PM
https://www.icj-cij.org/case/169
This was backed by the UN, the UK had little choice but to carry this out. Tories then began to reopen the negotiations in 2022. UK negotiates a 99 year lease on the airbase, but original figures do not take into account inflation for that lease period. From what I'm reading today the reason for the jump between the £9bn and £18bn figure is the inflation period for that complete lease period, albeit front loaded.
So no, then. It’s a dreadful decision again from pitiful government. More self inflicted pain with no reward.
Who on earth is our mastermind negotiator to jump from 9 to 18? Woodward?
Who on earth is our mastermind negotiator to jump from 9 to 18? Woodward?
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The UK's hand was forced. The actual agreement does not go far enough. The Chagossians are once again being left on the sidelines, their interests not central to the agreement. Which is what should be the remedy for an ongoing colonial crime.
What reward do you think the UK should be aiming towards here, considering the context and situation?
Is that not an issue for Mauritius to decide?
No. The Chagossians in the Chagos Islands (there were others living on Mauritius and the Seychelles) were British subjects when we depopulated the islands in the 60s and 70s. We wished a lot of them on to Mauritius without adequate compensation. And under international law as a colonising power we have a duty to ensure their welfare. They are also a minority group in Mauritius and have not been historically well treated. The UK owes both legal and moral obligations here towards this population.
E: With this agreement the UK is at risk of abandoning its subjects/citizens yet again.
UK National Archives, FO 371/190790, D A Greenhill (Foreign Office Deputy Under-Secretary) to P Gore-Booth (Foreign Office Permanent Under-Secretary) (24 Aug 1966):
‘Unfortunately along with the Birds go some few Tarzans or Men Fridays whose origins are obscure, and who are being hopefully wished on to Mauritius etc’
In 2010 Wikileaks obtained a document from the BIOT Commissioner, Colin Roberts. In the document, Roberts spoke of the benefits of the Marine Protection Area as follows:
Roberts stated that … there would be “no human footprints” or “Man Fridays” on the BIOT’s uninhabited islands. He asserted that establishing a marine park would, in effect, put paid to resettlement claims of the archipelago’s former residents … [because] the UK’s “environmental lobby is far more powerful than the Chagossians’ advocates”.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/207149
‘Unfortunately along with the Birds go some few Tarzans or Men Fridays whose origins are obscure, and who are being hopefully wished on to Mauritius etc’
In 2010 Wikileaks obtained a document from the BIOT Commissioner, Colin Roberts. In the document, Roberts spoke of the benefits of the Marine Protection Area as follows:
Roberts stated that … there would be “no human footprints” or “Man Fridays” on the BIOT’s uninhabited islands. He asserted that establishing a marine park would, in effect, put paid to resettlement claims of the archipelago’s former residents … [because] the UK’s “environmental lobby is far more powerful than the Chagossians’ advocates”.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/207149
Hugh Grant in Love Actually?
Well if it happens then there's no way the UK can complain about Trump and MAGA having basically followed the same path
Did you not read the reply? It's not a decision by this current government, it's an obligation for the country.