We can always complain, because our electoral system - much like the USA's - means that a minority of the electorate almost always decide the future of the whole country.
Westminster Politics 2024-2029
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I doubt there's very many democracies where the majority of the electorate decide, but in the last US election, more people voted for Trump than Biden, and from the how it seems to be going in the UK there's likely to be as many if not more voting for Reform than Labour
Thankfully with Trump and Elon destroying America in the next 4 years there will be no risk of Nigel ever becoming PM.
The answer is pretty simple - the main political parties should actually stand for something and have real substantial differences in outlook. Secondly, they should be much more representative of public opinion on certain key issues. If not…other political parties and movements will emerge to fill the void.
Send anyone that votes Reform over to Australia.
And risk an angry @Wibble moderating you
Perfect! He can control them.
Yes. I asked for a good reason and the ICJ ruling isn’t one. They’re about as toothless as OFCOM and there’s a huge amount of these kind of obligations being ignored every day all around the world.
Nevertheless, quite how we managed not only to piss our pants and give them up anyway but then agree to pay, and then pay double the amount is staggering. We’ve managed to pay a country nearly as much as our own “financial black hole” to take the islands they sold back. And we haven’t even given it to the right fecking owners.
What would happen if we didn’t perform this act of desperate stupidity? Or kick the can down the road for a decade? Nothing.
You’re going to have to show the working on that.
The Reform base will be loving what’s going on in the US right now and, in fact, will be screaming for it to happen in the UK.
Stopping all foreign aid, cutting benefits, stopping support for the disabled, they’ll be salivating for a bit of that over here!
The show has only just began, let's wait for its conclusion in 4 years time.
Why wait? If they want that they can just support the Starmer Party right now.
I think he should focus more on what his parents did for a living.
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I saw that headline and you've got to be really thick to say that in any statement. Doesn't achieve anything but demonise people. If she referenced benefit fraud as a whole then it would have been different.
Liz Kendall Financial Disclosures
16th August 2024
16th Aug 20242. (a) Support linked to an MP but received by a local party organisation or indirectly via a central party organisation
Name of donor: Patricia Hewitt
Address of donor: private
Amount of donation or nature and value if donation in kind: £7,500
Donor status: individual
(Registered 30 July 2024)
Source
18th April 2024
18th Apr 20243. Gifts, benefits and hospitality from UK sources
Name of donor: Premier League
Address of donor: Brunel Building, 57 North Wharf Road, London W2 1HQ
Amount of donation or nature and value if donation in kind: Two tickets with hospitality to the Brit Awards 2024, value £1,500
Date received: 2 March 2024
Date accepted: 2 March 2024
Donor status: company, registration 02719699
(Registered 12 March 2024)
Source
12th March 2024
12th Mar 20243. Gifts, benefits and hospitality from UK sources
Name of donor: Premier League
Address of donor: Brunel Building, 57 North Wharf Road, London W2 1HQ
Amount of donation or nature and value if donation in kind: Two tickets with hospitality to the Brit Awards 2024, value £1,500
Date received: 2 March 2024
Date accepted: 2 March 2024
Donor status: company, registration 02719699
Source
I think her goal is to demonise people. She hasn’t changed her politics. It’s 2015 all over again -
Cheers. The level of shamelessness from her is impressive.
...why on earth is the name "Harrıet" censored on the caf?
...why on earth is the name "Harrıet" censored on the caf?
She's always been a bit thick, parachuted into Patricia Hewitt's old seat. Shouldn't really be in the Cabinet.
Clearly Ainsley has been up to no good!...why on earth is the name "Harrıet" censored on the caf?
E: If they (or any government) were truly 'serious' about cutting the welfare bill, they would focus on the state pension, and things like the triple lock. From the Government's own figures:
"In 2024 to 2025 the government is forecast to spend £303.3 billion on the social security system in Great Britain. Total GB welfare spending is forecast to be 10.8% of GDP and 23.8% of the total amount the government spends in 2024 to 2025.
Around 55% of social security expenditure goes to pensioners; in 2024-25 we will spend £165.9 billion on benefits for pensioners in GB. This includes spending on the State Pension which is forecast to be £137.5 billion in 2024 to 2025.
In 2024 to 2025 we will spend £137.4 billion on working age and children welfare. This includes spending on Universal Credit and its predecessors, and non-DWP welfare spending.
In 2024 to 2025 we will spend £90.4 billion on benefits to support disabled people and people with health conditions, and £35.1 billion on housing benefits."
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...-and-caseload-tables-information-and-guidance
This stance is probably designed to appeal to pensioners, who vote most often, and who are never mentioned when it comes to cutting the benefits bill. They also know they are targeting the poorest working age people, who won't live as long and cost them less in terms of the state pension.
If any Government was serious about cutting the welfare cost pensions shouldn't be the main target
The focus should be on "why is it necessary for the Government to financially support so many people who are in full-time employment?"
We all know the answer to that question
It'll take much longer than 4 years for the damage to be obvious. Also they will obscure and deflect on who/ what is to blame for the fallout.
Well, hence the quotation marks around 'serious'.
the twitter account/website britain elects has an article showing that Reform's results in the by-elections indicate that national polling is correct and they are at about 25% nationally.
So Liz Kendall thinks that benefits are still too generous after 14 years of Tory welfare reform. She seems to think that the only problem with austerity is that it didn’t go far enough.
Which is an opinion which she is perfectly entitled to have. It just baffles me how such a person found themselves in the Labour Party to begin with. I’ve never heard her say anything even vaguely on the left side of politics.
Which is an opinion which she is perfectly entitled to have. It just baffles me how such a person found themselves in the Labour Party to begin with. I’ve never heard her say anything even vaguely on the left side of politics.
I don't think so. If they will engage in the trade wars they have begun the impact will be felt immediately in inflation and increase of costs so people will feel it in their pockets.
Isolationism will damage America and the world will see.
Some people on benefits do take the Michael. That didn't seem to be the main thrust of what she was getting at, though.
I saw that first one. Yet another attack on people like me from this disgusting government. Kendall is filth.
Exactly! Why isn’t she in the Conservative Party?
Honestly it's hard to get worked up about even that while government ministers are getting thousands of tax payers money for "expenses". Infact the government want us to be wound up over the former while the latter goes under the radar.
They're for all intents and purposes claiming benefits on top of their already custy wages.
Exactly. This government is just as detestable as any other government since May 2010. Starmer makes Blair and Brown look like Attlee.
Well, good. But it is also the Telegraph and I would be utterly shocked if this ever happened. It'll probably be denied in the morning.
Whatever it was has been denied already apparently. It's showing as "Not found" for me.
There we go. This is a government that cannot find the money to feed hungry kids living now, let alone righting historical wrongs.
Then remember this. As a minister, she earns circa £144,000 a year. Her partner is an old etonian banker, and they have a house in her cosntituency and a £4 million property in London.
Guess who pays the energy bills at her london home? That would be you and me, she claims it on expenses.
I'm just glad I'm so many years deep into this shit, I can just make out the light at the end. I have nothing but the utmost sympathy for the poor feckers that are coming out of school now into this hell scape, to be tormented by these demons.