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You can try to twist anything in favour of the party you like but come on now. There's nothing whatsoever positive about that news and I think if we get 3 months in a row her job will be under real pressure.

I didn't vote for Labour and I don't 'like' them.

You have also misunderstood what I was saying. My point was that these growth figures don't necessarily mean that people are benefitting, and that even if Labour was growing the economy, that doesn't mean that working people are necessarily feeling any positives. So I wasn't in any way saying that this was a positive.
 
Excellent news in my county. The council has admitted they've no more Year 9+ space for the estimated 2,400 pupils they will have to accommodate from January. I'm amazed nobody saw this coming :rolleyes:.

3 schools worth of kids having their educations disrupted over an ideology. And 3 schools worth of kids the taxpayer will have to pay to transport all over the area.
 
Excellent news in my county. The council has admitted they've no more Year 9+ space for the estimated 2,400 pupils they will have to accommodate from January. I'm amazed nobody saw this coming :rolleyes:.

3 schools worth of kids having their educations disrupted over an ideology. And 3 schools worth of kids the taxpayer will have to pay to transport all over the area.
Which ones closed?
 
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Excellent news in my county. The council has admitted they've no more Year 9+ space for the estimated 2,400 pupils they will have to accommodate from January. I'm amazed nobody saw this coming :rolleyes:.

3 schools worth of kids having their educations disrupted over an ideology. And 3 schools worth of kids the taxpayer will have to pay to transport all over the area.
You're right. It's a travesty how successive governments have failed our public education system, crammed students into classrooms, allowed house building without tying it in with constructing more schools, cut public spending and - oh, wait. You're still moaning about the taxpayer subsidising private schools for rich folk aren't you.
 
Which ones closed?

These pupils aren't coming from school closures, they're the kids being withdrawn because parents can't afford the fees anymore.

The kids from the nearby school that did close all had to get sorted before the start of the school year so aren't part of these numbers. I'm sure that homemade news website will have a view on them.
 

Labour condemned for allowing ‘new generation of slum homes’ in England​

Labour has been accused of allowing developers to build a new generation of “slum” homes by converting office blocks into flats without planning permission.

The controversial projects will boost Keir Starmer’s drive to build 1.5m new homes in England but have been labelled a “free-for-all” for developers. Many of these commercial blocks are built on industrial estates or business parks, with complaints of poor ventilation and no access to private outdoor space.


In opposition, Labour vowed to scrap the schemes, condemning a “get-out clause” that allowed developers to build “slum housing”, and a lack of requirements for a certain number of affordable homes. But when the government published its national planning policy framework on Thursday, there was no reference to banning the developments.

https://www.theguardian.com/society...owing-new-generation-of-slum-homes-in-england
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These pupils aren't coming from school closures, they're the kids being withdrawn because parents can't afford the fees anymore.

The kids from the nearby school that did close all had to get sorted before the start of the school year so aren't part of these numbers. I'm sure that homemade news website will have a view on them.
Do you have any sources to back this up or is this just your feelings again?
 
These pupils aren't coming from school closures, they're the kids being withdrawn because parents can't afford the fees anymore.

The kids from the nearby school that did close all had to get sorted before the start of the school year so aren't part of these numbers. I'm sure that homemade news website will have a view on them.
Again, which ones?
 
Do you have any sources to back this up or is this just your feelings again?
I could show you a couple of national newspapers like before but no websites somebody knocked up in an afternoon I'm afraid :(
 
I could show you a couple of national newspapers like before but no websites somebody knocked up in an afternoon I'm afraid :(
The only sources are the Telegraph and GB News, but you wouldn't want to associate yourself with the latter comic as your point would lose some credence.

Anyway, to get some balance back into your discussion. The story is about a freedom of information someone made on Surrey Council asking if there's enough places in their schools at this moment should there be the predicted exodus of 2.4k you cite from government figures. This isn't about any definitive volume that they have to accommodate, as the 2.4k figure is a prediction, not actual reality - quelle surprise.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/surrey-runs-out-space-private-school-children-forced-out/

Surrey County Council made the admission after a concerned parent sent a Freedom of Information request asking which state schools had any capacity to accommodate his children. The data revealed there are forecasted to be 215 additional spaces available in Year 7 for the 2025-2026 academic year and 502 in Year 8, but no spaces for children older than 13 years of age

The reality is that since the government announced plans, Surrey have only had 161 applications from pupils to join state schools. They're not going to sit and forecast capacity on a forecast based on a worst case scenario. What's happening, which is what many have predicted, is that the removal of the charitable status is that most are just getting on with it as it doesn't really affect them.

In Surrey, almost one in five children attend a private school. According to Department for Education data from 2021 to 2022, some 40,054 pupils attend private schools out of a total of 201,993 pupils in the county.

Using the Government’s assumption that 6pc of those children will join state schools, it means the local authority needs to find additional places for 2,403 children.

Clare Curran, a cabinet member at Surrey County Council said: “To date, there has been no need to commission additional school places in Surrey to specifically accommodate children withdrawing from the independent sector.

“However, we are monitoring the situation closely and are ready to manage any tangible increases in school applications as and when they occur to ensure that a school place is offered to any Surrey child who requires one.”

Ms Curran added the data included schools who had capped their intake despite the school building being able to accommodate more children and said the council would explore increasing the size of these state schools if needed.

In July, The Telegraph reported schools in Surrey received close to 600 queriesin a two-week period from private school parents enquiring about availability for their children.

Last month, The Telegraph revealed the council received 161 applications from private school pupils applying to join state schools between June and the beginning of September.

Some of the other sources for balance (there are only four that bothered reporting on this story, such is the 'relevance').

https://bmmagazine.co.uk/news/surre...-places-for-private-pupils-as-vat-raid-bites/
https://www.gbnews.com/news/surrey-council-private-schools-out-of-space-labour-vat-tax-raid
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...bour-s-vat-tax-raid/ar-AA1vOPoE?ocid=msedgntp (hardly call this a source as it's a syndicated news site)
 
The only sources are the Telegraph and GB News, but you wouldn't want to associate yourself with the latter comic as your point would lose some credence.

Anyway, to get some balance back into your discussion. The story is about a freedom of information someone made on Surrey Council asking if there's enough places in their schools at this moment should there be the predicted exodus of 2.4k you cite from government figures. This isn't about any definitive volume that they have to accommodate, as the 2.4k figure is a prediction, not actual reality - quelle surprise.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/surrey-runs-out-space-private-school-children-forced-out/



The reality is that since the government announced plans, Surrey have only had 161 applications from pupils to join state schools. They're not going to sit and forecast capacity on a forecast based on a worst case scenario. What's happening, which is what many have predicted, is that the removal of the charitable status is that most are just getting on with it as it doesn't really affect them.



Some of the other sources for balance (there are only four that bothered reporting on this story, such is the 'relevance').

https://bmmagazine.co.uk/news/surre...-places-for-private-pupils-as-vat-raid-bites/
https://www.gbnews.com/news/surrey-council-private-schools-out-of-space-labour-vat-tax-raid
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...bour-s-vat-tax-raid/ar-AA1vOPoE?ocid=msedgntp (hardly call this a source as it's a syndicated news site)

Well yes, of course it's only a prediction because the event has not happened yet. Until January and really the next couple of Septembers nobody will really know the impact. That's the estimate that's being worked with though and the numbers that have already applied run well into the hundreds and beyond the capacity of the state system. So, the taxpayer must now pay for taxis to transport them all to the closest available school every day.

Alton School was not in or particularly near to Surrey so those kids would not be in the Surrey figures you quoted.
 
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Well yes, of course it's only a prediction because the event has not happened yet. Until January and really the next couple of Septembers nobody will really know the impact. That's the estimate that's being worked with though and the numbers that have already applied run well into the hundreds and beyond the capacity of the state system. So, the taxpayer must now pay for taxis to transport them all to the closest available school every day.

Alton School was not in or particularly near to Surrey so those kids would not be in the Surrey figures you quoted.

Prediction? You seem pretty resolute in thinking that all 2.4k will be seeking places in January below.

If Surrey Council falls into this black hole that you, and the Telegraph, seem so sure of happening, it'll be the first council in history that would have had full schools.

Excellent news in my county. The council has admitted they've no more Year 9+ space for the estimated 2,400 pupils they will have to accommodate from January. I'm amazed nobody saw this coming :rolleyes:.
 
Prediction? You seem pretty resolute in thinking that all 2.4k will be seeking places in January below.

If Surrey Council falls into this black hole that you, and the Telegraph, seem so sure of happening, it'll be the first council in history that would have had full schools.

Yet here we are with the council saying they are full.
 
Yet here we are with the council saying they are full.

Clare Curran, a cabinet member at Surrey County Council said: “To date, there has been no need to commission additional school places in Surrey to specifically accommodate children withdrawing from the independent sector.

“However, we are monitoring the situation closely and are ready to manage any tangible increases in school applications as and when they occur to ensure that a school place is offered to any Surrey child who requires one.”

Ms Curran added the data included schools who had capped their intake despite the school building being able to accommodate more children and said the council would explore increasing the size of these state schools if needed
 
These pupils aren't coming from school closures, they're the kids being withdrawn because parents can't afford the fees anymore.

Can I just ask, where was this outrage every time that private school fees went up in the past 10-15 years?
 
@F-Red - you do know the policy hasn't started yet? So why would they have already started providing additional places.
 
@F-Red - you do know the policy hasn't started yet? So why would they have already started providing additional places.

Yes I know when it starts. You wouldn't be naive to think that parents would wait until the 1st of January to then start making application for a school place? This isn't new news and the fact that had only 161 applications between July & September would suggest that most parents of children are at private school are continuing to put their children through those schools despite those schools electing to pass on VAT charges. I mean it's hardly surprising considering that the overwhelming majority of parents are in the top 10% earners of the country, even less so surprising that we're talking about a council area where 1 in 5 attend private school, and outside of London being one of the most wealthiest counties in the country.

If this was going to be a significant issue for Surrey then we would have heard long before a fortnight before a new policy is implemented. I think it's only you and The Telegraph that are willing to die on that hill.
 
Do you have any sources to back this up or is this just your feelings again?

Just to add anecdotal evidence which you lot don't seem to be fond of, a family of 3 siblings has left our school to go into a catholic school at the start of this year and 1 more child has left at the end of this term just before the fee hike kicks in. That's just what we're aware of in our year. Two TA's have also been made redundant just before Christmas.
 
Can I just ask, where was this outrage every time that private school fees went up in the past 10-15 years?

I missed this before. I didn't have kids 10 years ago and I don't like the price hikes BUT important to make a distinction as to what they are. Most schools are setup as charities/trusts/etc. They don't pay out dividends or seek profits. Any surplus from fee increases is reinvested into the facilities, used to fund community access, or given out in the form of bursaries and scholarships. All of which will now suffer.
 
Agree with Lewis here.


It’s not surprising at all. Starmer doesn’t give a feck about democracy. He’s there to fill his pockets and make sure no lefty policies get through
 
I missed this before. I didn't have kids 10 years ago and I don't like the price hikes BUT important to make a distinction as to what they are. Most schools are setup as charities/trusts/etc. They don't pay out dividends or seek profits. Any surplus from fee increases is reinvested into the facilities, used to fund community access, or given out in the form of bursaries and scholarships. All of which will now suffer.
And the reason for this is ...... to avoid paying tax like most of the rich folk out there