Sounds like a great use of government time and money, nothing else needs sorting out after all
Typical response.
Where did I say that nothing else needs to be sorted out.
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Typical response.
Where did I say that nothing else needs to be sorted out.
As a father I'd never put my kids on a dinghy across the channel piloted by some random.
Many of them have past locations im look to buy a second home in, i suppose I don't understand there mentality.
With the motors the horrible people making money out of this will 100% find somewhere else to buy them, i don't know the money per person they are getting, but i reckon its a lot.
Interestingly I was out for a meal with a manager of banking region in the UK, apparently a LOT of cash is filtered through fronts on the hight street you know the ones - mini markets are the new ones and it's not just people on these boats. we're talking 9.98k in cash each month, filtering into gov schemes like ISA and help to buy via children.
Just to let you know the amount of money we're talking here.
Ps they reported it to the police... nothing happened.
The last word from them was "Who pays in cash, these days"
Interesting post which I do understand.
A lot depends on how desperate you are to move your family to a safer place or one with what you believe is a better living standard.
I heard that the average revenue from just one boat could be over 100,000 dollars, which represents a huge profit margin.
Nowhere, but I'm betting you didn't write to your MP about the more important things...
I have written to him about things which are important to me and my family.
And hopefully you do the same to your MP.
With all due respect, you probably never have and hopefully never will be in a situation of desperate dire straits, where you feel like the best chance you can give your children is putting them on a perilous journey across waters for a slim chance of a better life.
How dare you! They are only looking to buy a second home abroad!
Poor bugger.The registration of motor boat engines being one of them, interesting. Takes all sorts I suppose.
Why is there a need to cross the sea in a boat?
Surely France isn't such a dangerous shithole that it's worth risking your own and your childrens lives to get to Britain
Take a couple of capital letters out of this and it's literally a @rimaldo shitpost.
do you feel better now?Maybe they have family members here. Maybe it’s because they can speak the language.
Not valid reasons to risk your life or your kids IMO
Have you tried to do any reading into the subject?
Too much unfortuantely
I am sure France is a really lovely country. So why indeed.
Ok. But I very much doubt that these outboard motors come with any kind of registration mark or some kind of traceable serial number.....
Pity Paul has given up, his take on this would be interesting
Well I never worked on one that didn't but it's perhaps not a massive sample size. See example of many serial numbered bits inside a Yamaha cowling here. Why wouldn't the manufacturer serial number it?
But Yamaha don't know what happens to it when it's out of warranty, why would they? It's just a pointless waste of everybody's life, open the legal routes up and the problem would be miniscule.
Pity Paul has given up, his take on this would be interesting
I thought that same thing.
Because these outboard motors are most likely not legitimate. If they were, why would they keep breaking down after just a short time of running
Yes of course the ones you mentioned would have traceable serial numbers. Don't doubt that.
And I am pretty sure that I wasn't.
My mistake then
Pity Paul has given up, his take on this would be interesting
Something something something, the UK only has itself to blame, because Brexit.
No worries. In retrospect I can see why you may have thought that.
They're probably just old and shit like the dinghies and fishing boats they're mounted to... outboards don't last forever, the sea can muller most things quicker than you think, particularly when said thing is wanging off the tops of waves at 20mph every few seconds.
Understood thank you.
Would there be sufficient old motors to satisfy the demand.
You obviously know a great deal more about this subject than me.
Well if I remember rightly some of the offshore wind installations use an outboard motor every 2 months or so in their maintenance boats if they're running round the clock so I would have thoughts there are boatloads if you'll pardon the pun.
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In a similar vein to the comments that you can’t say what you wouldn’t do unless you’ve been in a situation, it’s easy to say what is or isn’t a valid reason to do it.
Imagine a scenario where, for whatever reason, your family was targeted for persecution. You knew that if you tried to leave the country via a regular route (plane or ferry) as soon as your passport was read you’d be taken to a room, separated from your kids, likely tortured and imprisoned (them too). Could you honestly say then that you wouldn’t take the risk to keep your kids safe from certain torture, rape, mutilation, imprisonment?
Likewise, imagine you get to the first ‘safe’ country. You only have the money you could take out with you at that point, no links to the country, and can’t speak the language. You’ve met Maslov’s first hierarchy of needs in that you’re officially safe, so now you think, “how can I start a new life for my family?”. How would you fill in paperwork, apply for asylum, apply for…anything, try to get a job, if you can’t speak the language? Then think, for the sake of one more journey, you can get to a country where you at least can understand the road signs, fill in a form or make conversation with someone, or perhaps you have a family member who ‘knows a guy’ who can get you a job, the first step to setting down roots and starting a new life. Would it still not be a viable reason?
Risking your lives in the first instance is validreasonable and an understandable thing to do, once you're in a position of safety you can apply for asylum in the UK legally, as an adult you have the right to take whatever risks you want, to make that decision for your children I don't think is a valid reason, if you're caught you'll eventually get deported and probablybe even worse off than you were before, and even if you're not you're subjecting your children to a life of fear, every time the door bell goes they'll be crapping themselves that someone's come to take them away
Exactly. So you need to think about how desperate the situation is for those Fathers who have to make that choice.
Not related to this particular instance, but one of my consultants who I was in cath lab with this week said that he was a bit unsure about if Streeting was actually a sensible guy or not, until he started actually hearing what he has to say these days and confirmed that he is not
No you can’t. You can only claim asylum in the UK once on UK soil. Lots of efforts had previously been made to allow people to claim asylum whilst abroad (at UK embassies for example) but nothing came of it. Combine that with the very limited ‘legal routes’ provided for Syrians, Afghans, Ukrainians & those from Hong Kong, and your force the remainder to seek irregular paths to UK soil.
Your entire second part of this is assuming they don’t have a valid claim. In the last year of recorded cases nearly 75% of asylum claims were approved, so the ‘life of fear’ is invalid.
Is france that bad?
Good post.
Understood.