We'll see... We'll see....
Wesley Sneijder
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Confirmed that photo is him, As if we need more convincing
"Such an amazing show Cirque du soleil O!!! Happy fathers day.."
Confirmed that photo is him, As if we need more convincing
We never do that anyway, it's always Valencia and Park. Ferguson has no qualms about not playing his "best players", because in big games Park if one of our best players. You think Carrick and Modric with Nani and Young on the wings would do anything against Barcelona et al. Sneijder wouldn't?
De Gea
Rafael Rio Vidic Evra
Fletcher/Anderson Carrick
Valencia/Nani Sneijder Young/Nani/Park
Rooney
There, which one of our best players is not in this side? Great for big games.
But don't worry, we won't sign Sneijder.
Hernandez.
Rooney is not playing his favourite position.
I don't think we are getting Sniedjer anyway.
Rooney should play the midfield role we need. Have Hernandez up top with Rooney an advanced part of the midfield three.
So which team that includes Hernandez and Rooney in his 'favoured position' is stronger than the one he suggested? Rooney isn't playing in "midfield" even at the back end of last season, he doesn't track runners through the middle like a genuine midfielder and he's wasted doing that.
You cant get the best out of every player every game, Villa has to sacrifice himself at Barcelona, Iniesta did for Spain.
It's not that simple. Hernández's lack of involvement in the build-up play, his average technical ability and his tendency to constantly sit on the shoulder of the last defender requires someone to play a lot closer to him than a "traditional" attacking midfielder would with a more technically adept and more rounded number nine. If the number 10 drops back into midfield, we lack an outlet up front, someone to hold the ball up and bring his teammates into play if the ball is played quickly to him. In bigger games against strong, organised, skilful midfields this can cause a huge problem: either our ball retention suffers as a result or there could be too much of a burden on the two "traditional" central midfielders who have to play a more complex role to make up for the consequences of front man's deficiencies.
The team we played against Chelsea and Shalke. With the addition of more penetration from Nani instead of Park and Anderson for Giggs.
Why Sacrifice our only World class player? How about we sacrifice someone else?
So Carrick and Sneijder would be inferior to Giggs and Carrick? If we're playing 2 in the middle Sneijder would be first choice every time.
Because sometimes it is better for the team.
Sneijder in a midfield 2?
No, I will stick to my original opinion. Rooney needs to stay in the Hole. Its his position now and he will get better over the next few seasons. Sneijder does not fit for me, we need a more defensive minded passer/playmaker.
Whatever positions need strengthening in our team it ain't Rooneys.
You're missing the point here. What makes you think that Sneijder couldn't do the same job or an even better job than Giggs did alongside Carrick and behind Rooney?
Why on earth not? Just because it's not his "best" position doesn't mean he wouldn't be world class there, no team has every player playing in a role they'd consider their "favourite".
Rooney plays in the hole with Giggs in a midfield two all the time, it's ridiculous to suggest we'd be weaker with Sneijder instead of Giggs.
I think people are being too fixed about their views of positions nd roles within the team.
If we signed Sneijder then we would find the best way to play him, Rooney and Hernandez in the side, it wouldn't be at the expense of either of them. Obviously all three wouldn't play every match together of course.
However, there would certainly be room for a midfield 2 which included Sneijder, but his partner would have to be a very defensive minded player and the wide players would need to be able to tuck inside often to cover when Sneijder was out of position. This would be no problem with Park and Valencia. Wouldn't work so well with Nani.
Sneijder could easily play as an attacking midfielder alongside a holding player, with Rooney playing in his favourite role off Chicharito. An attacking midfielder and a Trequartista are not the same.
If we signed Sneijder then we would find the best way to play him, Rooney and Hernandez in the side, it wouldn't be at the expense of either of them. Obviously all three wouldn't play every match together of course.
However, there would certainly be room for a midfield 2 which included Sneijder, but his partner would have to be a very defensive minded player and the wide players would need to be able to tuck inside often to cover when Sneijder was out of position. This would be no problem with Park and Valencia. Wouldn't work so well with Nani.
Sneijder could easily play as an attacking midfielder alongside a holding player, with Rooney playing in his favourite role off Chicharito. An attacking midfielder and a Trequartista are not the same.
This!
Argued it for a long time now. The whole "can't play in a 2" bollox goes out of the window when you consider that Giggs played there in all our best performances last season!
I'm baffled by you responses which I think just show a muppetry to getting Sneijder and screw anything like a coherent team.
Let me see some of the suggestions.
Buy and AM and play him CM, Move our best player SS into a leading the line role.
Some how fit in Sneijder, Rooney and Hernandez which would surely mean a narrow defensive wing line up and congestion in the central areas with Rooney and Sneijder occupying the same space.
Its crazy, we buy Sneijder will play him in his best position, AM, therefore either with a very weak CM as part of a 2 or play as part of 3 and move Rooney to either wide left or lone striker.
Thanks guys but as you were, I'm sticking with Rooney in his best postion and hopefully we buy a 'proper' centre mid.
Let me see some of the suggestions.
Buy and AM and play him CM, Move our best player SS into a leading the line role.
Some how fit in Sneijder, Rooney and Hernandez which would surely mean a narrow defensive wing line up and congestion in the central areas with Rooney and Sneijder occupying the same space.
Its crazy, we buy Sneijder will play him in his best position, AM, therefore either with a very weak CM as part of a 2 or play as part of 3 and move Rooney to either wide left or lone striker.
Thanks guys but as you were, I'm sticking with Rooney in his best postion and hopefully we buy a 'proper' centre mid.
I'm baffled as to why you keep ignoring the point regarding our best performances last season and swapping Giggs with Sneijder???
maybe because it makes your argument futile?
maybe because it makes your argument futile?
Who said it would be weaker?
The point I was making was it still leaves midfield with one player who does not track back or defend anywhere near as well as a cm.
He plays his best as an AM.
In our current team their is no AM, therefore there are better fits to our team than Sneijder.
Are you deliberately avoiding the real question?
In what way is Giggs - who performed brilliantly at Schalke and against Chelsea, the performances you yourself have mentioned - better suited to playing in a two-man midfield than Sneijder?
Were our best peformances last season with Giggs and Carrick or with Carrick and Fletch?
We know the answer, and that's why many of us think that replacing Giggs with Sneijder would be a fantastic option.
about seven players light
Personally I think Sneijder's the best player we could sign at the minute, but the chances of Inter selling him, him taking a paycut and Manchester having a better draw for him and his bird than Milan makes it an almost impossible deal.
When did Sneijder become Giggs. This is beyond stupid. Did you watch the CL final? or the league game against Arsenal? Some of our best and Worst performances had Giggs in the middle.
The problem I have with it is we then have to play defensive and narrow tracking back wingers which goes against the culture I have been brought up with.
Or we play a 4-3-3 with Rooney as lone striker or wide left. Neither of which I would like to see.
I like solid CM, attacking flair wide players and predator striker with a in the hole creative, Think Rooney, Beardsley back in the day.
Milan is a shit hole, just so you know.
Fair enough, that's the thing though, it's what YOU LIKE.
Some of us liked our performances vs. Schalke and Chelsea.
Yep, the bit in bold applies to you, because Giggs didn't play against Arsenal in the league, not even 1 minute
Yes which is why I am typing it, funny eh?
What about Arsenal, you like that, or Barca?
Selective memory to fit in with your desire to see Sniejder.
Compared to London or Madrid maybe. Compared to Manchester...
Yep, the bit in bold applies to you, because Giggs didn't play against Arsenal in the league, not even 1 minute
My apologies but I'm pretty sure he played against Barca.
So what are you suggesting that we buy a creative winger?!! Last time i checked Anderson and Carrick started against Arsenal. It's a lost argument.
Yeah, fair enough but we're thinking differently here to be honest.
I do not see Hernández as untouchable and I'd prefer if we played with three actual midfielders and Rooney up front in the biggest games, for better ball retention and more measure of control. For that, Sneijder would be perfect and he would do a more than adequate job (in my opinion) against the lesser lights when we can afford to play 4-4-1-1.
Also, I'd sign two central midfielders: a creative one and a more defensive minded one. One of them could be Sneijder though I agree with one of the posters above that this deal is almost impossible, it's not gonna happen. I wouldn't be surprised if we did not sign a CM at all.
Oh, and Giggs did not play at the Emirates.
??? what, when did I say buy a winger?
There is no argument to lose, my Opinion is I don't want Sniejder, you're pissing in the wind. get over it.
Agreed, I have no problem with a different opinion (Unlike some) I know Rooney has down a great job in that position in the past and Sneijder work against the lesser lights as you say.
I just prefer a consistent line up and play style like Barca do, not switching it to accommodate square pegs in round holes.
If you play Hernandez and Rooney against Barcelona with any two central midfielders you're going to get buggered. If we play Barcelona or Madrid it's a straight shootout between Rooney and Hernandez for the role of lone striker, since Rooney doesn't provide enough protection to the midfield playing "in the hole", and for me Rooney wins every time.
We can play the same formation against almost every team but 2-3 of the best in the world, when we have to sacrifice a bit of attacking play to protect our defence, being adaptable isn't a weakness.
We can play the same formation against almost every team but 2-3 of the best in the world, when we have to sacrifice a bit of attacking play to protect our defence, being adaptable isn't a weakness.
Hence the words 'are you suggesting...'
Same level
Hernendez had a great season and I love him as a player but after our drubbing in the final and performance against Arsenal I don't think Fergie will deploy him in every big game.
If we sign an attacking/creative midfielder this summer I think in big games against technically good midfields (Arsenal, Barca, Inter, Spurs, Real, City) we will go for an attacking trio of sorts without a traditional line-leading striker.
We did this in 08 - arguable the greatest side Fergie ever assembled (some say the 94 team, some say 99).
Tevez, Ronaldo, and Rooney were our attacking trio is we could defend from the front and hit the opposition on the break from all angles. It was amazing to watch.
My point is Fergie will alter the side to accomodate a new midfielder and Hernendez is not undroppable even after an incredible debut season.
If we sign an attacking/creative midfielder this summer I think in big games against technically good midfields (Arsenal, Barca, Inter, Spurs, Real, City) we will go for an attacking trio of sorts without a traditional line-leading striker.
We did this in 08 - arguable the greatest side Fergie ever assembled (some say the 94 team, some say 99).
Tevez, Ronaldo, and Rooney were our attacking trio is we could defend from the front and hit the opposition on the break from all angles. It was amazing to watch.
My point is Fergie will alter the side to accomodate a new midfielder and Hernendez is not undroppable even after an incredible debut season.
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