I can see both players being integral to our squad within the next 2-3 years. This season however both of them are going to be no more than squad players.
So to answer your question, no.
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I can see both players being integral to our squad within the next 2-3 years. This season however both of them are going to be no more than squad players.
So to answer your question, no.
Yes, but they are not instant replacements for a top midfielder. They're young lads still learning and developing, that means not only their football skills but physically and mentally too. We musn't forget that.
So we should buy Sneijder for one year, after which we probably won't need him. Thankfully our club is not run this way. Never has been and hopefully never will be. We'd sacrifice a season (probably still winning things) to bring through youth and save ourselves a load of money.
Well Sneijder's an established super star and I'm not sure his agent would agree to a contract where he'd get a raise based on Fergie's assessment tbh.
Why won't we need Sneijder after one year? When we sign him, he's going to be integral to us for quite a while. Cleverley and co will continue to get games and develop anyway.
Not at all. Sneijder would fill a role in our team for a period far longer than one year my friend.
Just remember that the likes of Giggs will probably retire next season leaving further first team spots open for our youngsters.
Signing Sneijder would not damage the development of these young players IMO.
Of course. But for them to become top midfielders themselves, they need games now. People think they have it planned out 'we'll bring Sneijder in and by the time he's on the wane then Cleverley, Pogba and Morrison wil be ready' etc. etc. But they never consider that they need games and that we don't just sprinkle them with magic dust and they're suddenly ready.
Reading Fergies quotes yesterday about how the youth players are what keeps him driven, I think this is the route he will take.
Spot on. And promoting youth is great but we've lost a lot of experience in Scholes, Hargreaves, Brown, O'Shea, Neville and VDS this summer and Giggs next year so it's always good to have someone with the immense quality and experience of Sneijder in our team for a position we're quite weak in.
And yeah there will be enough spots for the kids even when Sneijder comes.
Pogba looks superior in technique to cleverly to me.
Sneijder is too expensive to 'fill a role' in our team. Even the most hardened Sneijder fanboy should realise that if we have a group of young, very talented midfielders ready to step up in the next year or two, then Sneijder isnt really a necessity.
It's hard to call Sneijder 'experienced' when he's never played in this league. He could flop big time. Besides, we have experience all over the rest of the pitch and the likes of Fletcher, Giggs and Carrick are experienced in midfield.
The matches we will be playing won't be friendlies. Most of them will be must win games and must win games aren't a time for playing youngsters just to give them a bit of game time to help their development. We have Giggs, Carrick, Ando and Fletcher to give games to don't forget and they will play in the majority of the matches.
Cleverley has spent 2 seasons on loan now and so will play a good few games. If he doesn't start then he'll be on the bench most likely. Pogba less so and he'll still be playing reserve games too. Expect to see him start the Cup games but it's unlikely he'll be starting or on the bench against Chelsea etc.
Unless we change mentality they won't get matches irrespectively on whether Sneijder signs or not. Do you seriously believe that SAF would put Carrick on the bench and opt for Ravel Morrison or Pogba instead? These kids will probably need to be loaned or else they will need ample time in the CC.
I don't know whether Sneijder is the answer to our CM problems but we can't keep on relying on a 38 yr old winger to act as our main beacon of creativity in CM. If the kids do well on loan in the CC then they SHOULD go up the pecking order. It won't be that difficult considered that we never really replaced Keane, Scholes and Hargreaves are gone, Giggs is getting old (and our current CM quality is.....limited).
Points to remember:
Sneijder's current wage level is unsustainable in my opinion, for various reasons, ask Inter. He needs to see sense or stay at a club that can't afford him or at least, doesn't want him.
There are many numpties on here spouting about the kids not being ready or simply being squad players. SAF has forgotten more about football than any of us know and his decisions are more likely to be based on him knowing better. Please give it a rest!
In SAF we trust..... or ought to! He was at this club when many of you were mere seminal stains.
Sneijder's current wage level is unsustainable in my opinion, for various reasons, ask Inter. He needs to see sense or stay at a club that can't afford him or at least, doesn't want him.
There are many numpties on here spouting about the kids not being ready or simply being squad players. SAF has forgotten more about football than any of us know and his decisions are more likely to be based on him knowing better. Please give it a rest!
In SAF we trust..... or ought to! He was at this club when many of you were mere seminal stains.
Again, signing Sneijder is not going to have an adverse effect on our youngsters. Giggs will be gone by next year as well.
If you're good enough the manager will give you chances. Just look at Hernandez last year.
Besides, I don't really see the likes of Pogba and Morrison playing anything more the CC and FA Cup matches.
Giggs will be gone next year and that leaves us just Fletcher and Carrick, who have zero creativity between them.
Sneijder might not have played in this league but he's a World Class and experienced player who would add a lot of quality to the only weak spot in our team.
Is the deal for Sneijder not dead? I keep seeing this thread active yet SAF and now even the media say its not happening? Have I missed some info?
The 2 players that struggled badly last season plus the player who is going to retire soon?
Sneijder is experienced, you don't need to have PL experience to succeed in the PL, it's just a case of adapting that's all, you get here, learn the game and succeed. Like most foreign players who are signed that do just fine. Sneijder is one of the most experienced players in the world.
Everyone's still living in hope.
Inter seem short of money and Sneijder's wages are not only costing them a fortune but they could get a fair bit if they sold him.
Apparently Inter want Tevez and to get him they'd probably need to offload Sneijder.
That possibly leaves Sneijder stuck with going to City for mega wages or going to United for less money. Not sure whether City actually want Sneijder though.
You are forgetting Etoo is getting sold,so thats solve most of the problem.
I see.
Just can't imagine him coming now. Never has SAF been so adamant that we are not signing someone and then we actually do. He has point blank said no more signings and we will trust in youth. What signal would it send out to the youth players now if we brought in Sneijder after everything SAF's been saying?
Not when they are having Nasri for a lot less per week.
Pogba's technique is brilliant, question marks are about his pace and mobility
people never learn... they'll still be saying this in 2050.Pogba's technique is brilliant, question marks are about his pace and mobility
I know he baffles all of us but I really can't see him playing more than one season now to be honest.
Must have missed that bit.
The young players are not daft. They know they're still learning their trade and they know they will have to carry on learning in order to be in a position to fight for a place in a United team.
I can, but at 37 (38 in November) and playing once a week we can't rely on him so much anyway.
Look what's happened to Berbatov. He is now mostly surplus to requirements, and costing the club 100k a week. Similarly, if a youngster comes through who takes over Sneijder's role it could end up costing United in the region of 80 Million pounds over 5 years for a player we don't need - which would impact our transfer budget drastically for other positions over many years.
I wonder what safs plans for Carrick are?
Conversely, Sults, one must also consider the unlikelihood that some random kid is going to send a world class player like Sneijder to the bench. Also consider the financial benefit of winning the CL. Not saying either of our scenarios will definitely happen, but there are two sides to this coin.
It would seem logical to offload Berba, who is looking increasingly like he is surpluss, and using the fee and wage offset to buy a good midfielder.
Also Sneijder may have a versatility which is what Ferguson is looking for with his rotation policy. A player that can play in the hole as well as one that can sit back and dictate play. If he plays in the hole with Rooney in front, you could have Cleverly/Anderson in behind. Or he can play along side Cleverly/Anderson.
Kinell, I'm all for strengthening the midfield, but put like that... that's just way too much money. Not surprised the club has got cold feet over this, the fees + wages combo is just too high.
Understandably that's the big risk Raoul. One which has not worked for Arsenal over the last 6 years. However, if a transfer is not working out then I can't see what SAF can do, but put his faith in the academy. People seem to forget a lot of money and effort is spent on youth at this club, and has been the backbone of our history and success.
He gave him a new contract last season.
Indeed but there wasn't really any threat to his position. If Cleverly can step up or Pogba in the long run, I'd see it slightly under pressure.
Right now he is the right man for the job, but in the future... Only god knows
I'm not against Sneijder coming. I do however think the risk could have massive repercussions for the club. At costs quoted for a 27 year old, who would have no value at the end of his contract, could possibly take half a season to adapt, and coming to an age where injuries are more consistent and take longer to heal - I'd say risk reward ratio seems skewed heavily against the club.
I also think Rooney takes up similar positions to Sneijder.
I don't think it's the actual cost of Sneijder that is the problem. We could afford to pay him £250k or even £300k a week, it's the precedent it sets. The rest of the squad will gauge their own worth to the club against the highest earner. If we have him on £200k+ the squad players on £80k (or at least their agents) will decide they are worth £100k a week. Once everyone has decided that, your wage bill suddenly jumps up another £300k a week and that's the equivalent of two top players wages.
I'm glad United have decided to stand firm here, but I do still hope Sneijder will have the ambition to take a lower wage to play for us.
I'm glad United have decided to stand firm here, but I do still hope Sneijder will have the ambition to take a lower wage to play for us.
If Inter are desperate to reduce their costs they could give him a massive pay-off and reduce to their asking price by about 10 Million. Which effectively means he can sign for lower wages without losing out financially.
Agree with these. I remember listening to the Sunday Supplement and they all seemed to state as fact that Rooney has a clause that he remains the highest paid player at the club which means we could be shelling out more for no extra benefit, not to mention the fact that Sneijder's commercial benefit (the Nike deal etc.) seems to me to be massively overplayed - I don't think kids the world around are buying Sneijder jerseys or buying gear just because he advertises it.
But my main concern would be where he'd play. He'd obviously improve us (on paper) but I'm not convinced we'd have the same balance as we do at the moment. That said, I think someone like Chicarito would thrive with the sort of service he'd get from Sneijder.
I agree with this. Fergie would have already bought Sneijder a season back or something if he was playing in the premiership. Getting in a player from a different league at those costs and at that age represents a viable risk financially.
I think something like this will happen. If the reports of Inter's finances being way out of the FFP regulations are true and they need to sort it out fast, taking a huge wage off their bill, plus a good transfer price for him could equate to around £50m+ for their net income.
From Inter's point of view, best case scenario is £35m from us, Sneijder off the wage bill: £35m + 4 years of £10m in wages = £75m This won't happen.
If Sneijder stayed, as will be the case if an agreement isn't reached, he'd cost them £40m over the next 4 years and they wouldn't get a transfer fee so it would cost them -£40m.
So if Inter are really pushed and want to pull into shape for the FFP, they could accept £25m for him and gave him a £10m loyalty bonus to get him off their accounts, They might only make £15m from his transfer, but that would save £40m in wages, meaning for their accounts they would be £55m better off than letting him stay.
It's possible.
Good use of coulor there Pexbo.
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