So did anybody get a sneijder tattoo then?
Wesley Sneijder
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The voice of reason in this morning of madness.
I dint know if Ferguson does it on purpose but "can we forget about Sneijder?"... "you can forget about who you like!" is hardly any sort of denial, if anything I'd say the ambiguity alludes to something actually still going on as if he wanted to stop all this Sneijder talk he'd have said "He's a great player but we are not trying to buy him". Fergie may twist the truth here and there but I can't see him saying a flat out lie because if it's found out to be just that the credibility of his words will be questioned in the future, just like they already have been by his past quotes which again were open to interpretation rather than a water tight statement of fact.
I can't believe the faith people put in Cleverley and Pogba, jesus christ they're still kids. Pogba is nowhere near a first team spot playing CL football and 20 games a season let alone 50. Cleverley may play a large part of next season but he's not going to play the CL, or any more than 15/20 games IMO in the leauge and that's I think being generous. This leaves us with Carrick and Fletcher, the same midfield that weren't good enough last year, plus Anderson who has never really stepped up and year after year we say the same shit about him just like LFC fans saying this will be the year.
The way some posters rate the kids is just as bad as those who dead set on the belief that Sneijder is coming here IMO. They're great talents that will develop with time and experience, they aren't world class players in their respective roles that can match the great ginger magician. Yet.
The way some posters rate the kids is just as bad as those who dead set on the belief that Sneijder is coming here IMO. They're great talents that will develop with time and experience, they aren't world class players in their respective roles that can match the great ginger magician. Yet.
I think it was pretty evident last season that our CM needed reinforcements and Fergie knows that.
Cleverley was great against Barca and City but we can't put the burden of our midfield on him yet.
Fully agreed. It vould be two things, either as you said, there is something still going on behind the scenes. Or else, he s happy with these rumours going on. He knows that anything related to united sells, so perhaps he prefers the tabloids to focus on this story rather than on other issues that can demage the team's performance
Cleverley can do the trick. Pogba is still a kid. I wouldn't be concerned if we had at least 1 world class midfielder in the team who would allow these kids to develop adequately. After all Scholes wasn't world class from day 1 and kids need to start from somewhere. Unfortunately we don't have that.
Exactly. Cleverley has had a couple of amazing games and otherwise has looked very promising. This is good, very good, it's a good sign for the future. It's not a muppets 'omg he's ready to start every week and play Barcelona, Real Madrid, Inter and the best in the world' like some posters make him out to be. 'luls forget all the world class players, we haz Cleverley.'
Our midfield is the thing that needs improving, we've seen this constantly. To say we aren't improving because we've got Fletcher and Carrick coming back and some kids coming through is basically saying 'we don't need to improve, after all we have the same midfield that was inadequate last season, plus a couple of lads that can't play every game and will leave us with a large part of the season still not good enough in that area just like last season.'
I have to fully agree with devilish on this one. It's far better to brings kids in into a healthy unit. Rafael and Fabio are all the better for having played their way into a very good back four, one that could cover for them as well when they made mistakes. Same for Evans, Smalling and now Evans.
It'll be different in midfield, where we've got a lot of ifs and maybes. Cleverley, having already played PL football, may contribute nicely already. Pogba, that's a couple of years away, surely. But it would be better for both to come into a better midfield rather than a unit that may actually NEED them in order to be better. Not to learn from, though, but simply to take the pressure off.
Far more seasoned pro's then Cleverley have played in our midfield last season when it got swamped by lowly opposition. Aside from thinking it's unlikely he'll rectify it, it might also damage his own progress if he's part of such midfield, even though at 22 it's clear to us you could hardly blame him.
It'll be different in midfield, where we've got a lot of ifs and maybes. Cleverley, having already played PL football, may contribute nicely already. Pogba, that's a couple of years away, surely. But it would be better for both to come into a better midfield rather than a unit that may actually NEED them in order to be better. Not to learn from, though, but simply to take the pressure off.
Far more seasoned pro's then Cleverley have played in our midfield last season when it got swamped by lowly opposition. Aside from thinking it's unlikely he'll rectify it, it might also damage his own progress if he's part of such midfield, even though at 22 it's clear to us you could hardly blame him.
I hope our obsession with winning the champions league does not prevent such players from making it at United.
It would please me so much to see this current United side with a sprinking of our own youth beat Chel$ea & $hity to the title.
You sound like Wenger.. We've always spent money and we've always brought through youth. A big money signing isn't going to change the philosophy.
Isn't that what we did last season? People had their doubts about the youth on our squad with the twins, Evans, Smalling, but put them out there and they play like world class.
Bringing in a world class midfielder would not prevent such players from making it at United.
Worked out alright in 1995. Once upon a time, the great ginger magician was just a kid himself, but people put their faith in him.
Of course this is different times, but if they have talent then let's see it and let's test it. Yes I do think we need a proper good midfielder, but at the end of the day it won't be the end of the world if we fail to get one.
The likes of Becks, Scholes and Butt were not thrust into the first team though. They were integrated slowly. Scholes didn't even play CM in the early days he was a forward.
I can't see SAF changing his philosophy of slowly integrating youngsters into the team now, which means that for 90% of the games next season it will be Giggs, Carrick, Fletcher and Anderson.
I can't see SAF changing his philosophy of slowly integrating youngsters into the team now, which means that for 90% of the games next season it will be Giggs, Carrick, Fletcher and Anderson.
Those jubilant that the latest negative news means the death of this thread might like to reflect on the fact that the page count increase was much greater after that news compared to the lesser burst after the previous positive news.
Make of that what you will.
Make of that what you will.
Cleverley's 22. He's had a couple of good seasons in the championship and one in the Premier League on loan. If he isn't given the opportunity to play regularly for us now, when will he be? He has a lot of promise and there's only one way to find out if he'll fullfil that promise. I love a good prestige high-profile signing as much as anyone, but I like us to give good young players a chance. If it fails, it fails and we can bring someone in.
Like you say, they are "great talents that will develop with time and experience". When are they (Cleverley in particular, Pogba's got the years on his side) going to get that experience if not this season?
I'd say Cleverley has been slowly integrated.
I wouldn't mind betting that if Gibson does stay he'll end up playing more games than Morrison, Pogba and Cleverly combined.
The signing of a top class midfielder will not reduce these young players chances of making it.
The signing of a top class midfielder will not reduce these young players chances of making it.
Not with us he hasn't. This will be his integration season.
I agree, especially about Cleverley.
If this deal is off i hope SAF surprises us all and signs the likes of Christian Eriksen or Mario Goetze to go along with the emerging talent coming through the ranks.
It seems SAF has decided to again trust in the youth, so would be nice to get in the best youth talent in europe before their prices go through the roof. I think we are blessed in most parts of the pitch now, though still wonder where the midfield bite will come from if Fletcher is out>
It seems SAF has decided to again trust in the youth, so would be nice to get in the best youth talent in europe before their prices go through the roof. I think we are blessed in most parts of the pitch now, though still wonder where the midfield bite will come from if Fletcher is out>
I think people are getting so tired of this saga that its beginning to cloud their judgement about how good Sneijder really is. He's a world class player who could improve our squad and probably give us a reasonable chance of winning the CL in Munich. His experience would be a fantastic attribute to bring the young lads along. Cleverly would benefit tremendously, as would Ando, Pogba, and all the others. If we are serious about retaining the league against an ascendant City and and a reorganized Chelsea, and if we are serious about winning the CL, we shouldn't be apprehensive about signing a world class player in the prime of his career to help us get there.
Anyone just see Soccer AM? 
Although I think that winning the PL is easily possible without Sneijder, I agree with the rest of your post Raoul.
This really is the Ozil thread of 2011
Anyone just see Soccer AM?
What happened?
Prior to 1995/96: Beckham - 4 League cup games (3 starts), 1 Champions League dead rubber, 2 FA Cup games (1 start), 4 Premier League games (2 starts).
Prior to 2011/12: Cleverley - 25 Premier League games (19 starts).
When Ince, Kanchelskis and Hughes were let go and he was thrust into action at the start of 1995/96, Beckham was a lot less experienced than Cleverley is now.
Also, looking at Chris Smalling's record. Who'd have thought a 20 year old who had played just 19 games for Fulham would get 32 games for us last season, and be such a hit in them? He wasn't "Slowly integrated" really, was he?
Jonny Evans is another example. He got 20 minutes in the Champions LEague, played terribly for an hour in that Carling Cup match against Coventry and played one Champions League dead rubber in 2007/08, but in 2008/09 he played 34 games - 29 of those starts.
If Cleverley's good enough, he'll get games without any worries about "slowly integrating" him.
Was reading something interesting about the wages and taxes in Italy.
Anyone earning over 75k has to pay taxes of 43%. However there will be a rise of 10% this year and another 10% by the end of 2012 and since Sneijder seems so money oriented I'm not sure he'll be happy paying 63% taxes (considerably higher than England right now) and I doubt Inter would hand him a new contract to make up for it so...
Anyone earning over 75k has to pay taxes of 43%. However there will be a rise of 10% this year and another 10% by the end of 2012 and since Sneijder seems so money oriented I'm not sure he'll be happy paying 63% taxes (considerably higher than England right now) and I doubt Inter would hand him a new contract to make up for it so...
I got the Sneijder, Ozil, Benzema and Ronaldinho tattoo. FML 
Genius from the Bearded genius
@BG.Tuttosport claims that Sneijder definitely wants to leave Inter, (especially as it appears that the world-class Samuel Eto'o is being sold) and will lower his alleged 'demands' to facilitate a move.
Luckily I had only got as far as having WES tattooed across my back, won't take much to add TLIFE and save embarrassment.
Tuttosport claims that Sneijder definitely wants to leave Inter, (especially as it appears that the world-class Samuel Eto'o is being sold) and will lower his alleged 'demands' to facilitate a move.
I'm sure he'll end up moving soon enough. We're just trying to get the price down for him and this will probably drag on for a while.
The fact that he's holidaying in the middle of their pre season says a lot. He's definitely going to leave imo.
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