Wesley Sneijder

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The statement released by Gill would suggest we are miles apart in negotiations

A bit different from Ronaldinho - we were very close but Kenyon's penny pinching cost us...

We need this guy - we can't rely purely on the midfield we have and it would be stupid to put too much pressure on kids like cleverley in the coming season.

I hope Sneijder isn't taking the piss as regards wage demands

Deal or no deal we still need a midfielder - it will take more than an excellent match against a shite man city to convince me otherwise
 
unitedbhoy said:
Seriously, how can you tell how good Pogba and Morrison are. They have no Premier League experience. The only games they have played for the first team have been a few minutes in carling cup games. There is absolutely no way in telling how good they are or will be. Reserve team performances shows no real reflection on how their first team performances may be. See Bebe.
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There are some players that you just know will make it. I'm not entirely convinced Morrison will considering the problems he's had. But he has so much talent.

Pogba I think is a dead cert to make it. He's a monster of a player.

Anyway wildly off topic...

Sneijder, feckin ell lads :lol:
 
Re the Guardian article, Charley summed Taylor up back in May. Seems very relevant now.

charleysurf said:
Taylor is always writing these articles which are pure guesswork. It would not be surprising if United rested players, if the league is won. But Taylor has not spoken to Ferguson. He was fecking banned from Carrington in the past. But he writes as if he has inside information. Bullshit artist.
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Plechazunga said:
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Now i'm even more depressed:(
 
I don't think we need Smeijder.

Basically this has been our formation for most of 2011 for every game in which Rooney has started (West Ham first half and City home aside)

Hernandez

Park ....... Rooney .....Valencia

Carrick ... Giggs

Evra .. Vidic .. Vidic .. Fabio

Van Der Sar​

De Gea or Lindegaard come in for Van Der Sar, and obviously the wing slots will be between Nani, Park, Young and Valencia.

The reason this formation worked so well in Europe especially was that defensively it allowed Carrick to do specifically what he was good at - sitting deep and intercepting the ball. Carrick isn't a harrying player, and he isn't a tackler. Giggs playing this role (Anderson being his understudy in this system) is a harrier (not the jet) - he's got the stamina, pace and agility to cause problems for the opponents in the middle, and more importantly, and as noted by Jonathon Wilson, it allowed Rooney to get back and make tackles in the midfield. He was the one that was putting physical pressure on the opposition in that area, which was a key part of us conceding very few goals (until the final unfortunately).

If we're looking to bring a midfielder in it will be to take over from Giggs when he retires (in 2025 or some bollocks). The ideal partner for Carrick would be someone who is capable of harrying their midfield and picking a pass upfield. They'll need a great degree of mobility and positional awareness, and I don't think Sneijder is the man for that role. Basically Darren Fletcher needs to get fit again to take on this mantle (watch as people now misconstrue this as me saying Fletcher > Sneijder).

Sneijder plays best were Rooney plays in this system, but doesn't offer the same physical presence. Even if we did get him, and wanted to play him there, we'd then need someone with more physical presence to play in the position Giggs is now (probably Fletcher if he can get fit again). That won't happen because we'd have 1 striker spot that will always go to Rooney and then 6 backups (Hernandez, Berba, Owen, Welbeck, Macheda, Diouf) - it wouldn't make sense from a squad composition perspective.

If we're signing someone for 35 odd million pounds they're going to ostensibly be playing week in week out, which is why it doesn't make sense to me to pay that much for Sneijder both from a tactical and squad composition point of view.
 
buckooo1978 said:
It mentions 'reiterated'??

Regardless I think this is just a message to sneijder to wise up on his wage demands whatever they may be
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Reiterated is when Daniel Taylor, a journalist banned from Carrinton on many an occasion, claims to have spoke to either; Joel Glazer, Avram Glazer, Bryan Glazer, Kevin Glazer, Edward Glazer, Darcie Glazer, David Gill, Michael Bolingbroke, Ed Woodward, Michael Edelson, Sir Bobby Charlton or Maurice Watkins.


Never is a smiley more apt than this one: :lol:
 
Pexbo said:
Why on earth should we believe they leaked this information to him... A journalist Ferguson has banned from any United press conference.
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That's an entirely different, and sensible, question.

My purpose was mainly to stop the muppet-driven 'it's all old stuff' repetitions.

Regarding the 'leak' itself we would need to consider that this is reported in a few places now. It could have been originally given to one person and the others copied the story as it became (semi-?) public, or it could have been given to more than one person.

The source of the leak was apparently not SAF so that would not necessarily preclude DT whose biog of SAF which supposedly caused the rift is actually very complimentary.

However, I lean a little towards Sults' scepticism here because if MUFC really wanted to make a comment about the situation I reckon it would be a fully official statement even if it had to be more 'oblique'.
 
If SAF thinks he is too expensive for what he can bring to the team, then so be it.


Move on to the next target, because I am sure there is one.


In SAF I trust.
 
Taylor is a shitehawk, but it's not beyond the realms of possibility that someone from the club decided to use him for their own advantage and leak some comments to, as someone else put it, 'light a fire under Sneijder's arse'.
 
SharkyMcShark said:
If we're looking to bring a midfielder in it will be to take over from Giggs when he retires (in 2025 or some bollocks).
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All due respect to Giggs, he's nearly 38. He's playing once a week at most, when we normally play twice a week. We shouldn't be waiting until he retires to bring in a midfielder to take his place. Anything we get from his is a bonus, but with our problems in midfield we shouldn't be relying so much on a player Fergie is always happy to 'get 20-25 game out of'.
 
R_Nick said:
Taylor is a shitehawk, but it's not beyond the realms of possibility that someone from the club decided to use him for their own advantage and leak some comments to, as someone else put it, 'light a fire under Sneijder's arse'.
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It's not just Taylor though...

The first thread post was from 'a paper',

then 2 posts re DT's Guardian piece,

then someone said it was in the Mail (which may or may not have been the first paper quoted).

DT's article is being referred to most often because it is easily accessible, contains lots of contextual detail, and contains speculation, and recognition of apparently conflicting reports. That means it has great potential for cherry-picking and is a ripe source for different positions within the argument.

Once again, to be fair to DT, none of the comments since cover the details in anything like as comprehensive and sensible a manner as him.
 
R_Nick said:
Taylor is a shitehawk, but it's not beyond the realms of possibility that someone from the club decided to use him for their own advantage and leak some comments to, as someone else put it, 'light a fire under Sneijder's arse'.
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Not just him, they've also gave similar information to the Independent and the Daily Mail. We may be using him to put pressure on Inter/Sneijder, but it's clear United have fed Taylor and co the line they are all going with this morning.
 
Amir said:
All due respect to Giggs, he's nearly 38. He's playing once a week at most, when we normally play twice a week. We shouldn't be waiting until he retires to bring in a midfielder to take his place. Anything we get from his is a bonus, but with our problems in midfield we shouldn't be relying so much on a player Fergie is always happy to 'get 20-25 game out of'.
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Agreed. And honestly, I am a bit surprised how Fergie handles the midfield position. He usually has a replacement lined up long long before the player retires (see our defense or strikers), but not for our midfield. Not when Keane left, not when Scholes left. That has to be pointed out imo
 
This transfer saga won't end until the 'Transfer Window Slams Shut'* in my opinion. They'll be lots it's on and it's off stories until then.

* © Copyright Skysports News.
 
Amir said:
Not just him, they've also gave similar information to the Independent and the Daily Mail. We may be using him to put pressure on Inter/Sneijder, but it's clear United have fed Taylor and co the line they are all going with this morning.
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Yup - I reckon Taylor's use of the word 'briefing' means that he was aware this was given to more than one journalist. It suggests that that was the mechanism rather than other journalists copying the originator.

A bit odd for Utd to be willing to be reported as having given high-level approval for an unofficial 'leak' though.
 
Amir said:
All due respect to Giggs, he's nearly 38. He's playing once a week at most, when we normally play twice a week. We shouldn't be waiting until he retires to bring in a midfielder to take his place. Anything we get from his is a bonus, but with our problems in midfield we shouldn't be relying so much on a player Fergie is always happy to 'get 20-25 game out of'.
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Fergie sees Young as a Giggs replacement.


Fergie sees his midfield in the hands of Anderson, Cleverley, Fletcher, Carrick etc. However, I think he wants to bring in a special talent, the spark that Fletcher and Carrick do not bring.


I think we can safely say that Giggs has been replaced, but there is a vacancy in centre midfield for a special player.
 
Fergie's Man said:
Fergie sees Young as a Giggs replacement.


Fergie sees his midfield in the hands of Anderson, Cleverley, Fletcher, Carrick etc. However, I think he wants to bring in a special talent, the spark that Fletcher and Carrick do not bring.


I think we can safely say that Giggs has been replaced, but there is a vacancy in centre midfield for a special player.
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Giggs hasn't played on the wings in ages so I don't think Young was his replacement, he's just a player that he knew would be a good fit for this team, which is why getting Young and not a new midfielder too is a strange one for me.

I believe he said before that he bought Nani and Anderson as Giggs and Scholes replacements. Obviously Nani has worked out but because of all the unexpected midfield problems, mainly in Hargreaves, Anderson just isn't enough anymore.

I mean really, I'm very glad we got Ashley Young but we could've still coped on the wings no problem without him, as opposed to coping in the midfield without a new player. The latter was always the bigger problem.
 
RedSky At Night said:
There are some players that you just know will make it. I'm not entirely convinced Morrison will considering the problems he's had. But he has so much talent.

Pogba I think is a dead cert to make it. He's a monster of a player.

Anyway wildly off topic...

Sneijder, feckin ell lads :lol:
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I hope your tight, but it will take a good season or 2 int top flight football to convince me. Let's hope the players you are talking about don't have the same attitude as you.
 
SharkyMcShark said:
Giggs played wide left for the first half of last season.

Up until February really.
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Not a lot though, and Valencia did suffer a terrible injury. He's clearly better in midfield now than on the wings, and we still have him.

Giggs retiring was/will always be a bigger blow to the midfield and not the wings.
 
Fergie's Man said:
Fergie sees Young as a Giggs replacement.
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Does he? As a midfielder?

On the wings there's no problem, but the fact a 37 year old is our classiest midfielder is a bit of a problem. You could somehow live with it when we could alternate between Giggs and Scholes, but now it's a little too much. We've seen the difference Giggs made to our midfield last season, especially when he DIDN'T play. To have a younger player with those qualities, who could play regularly, what a difference that would make. Huge.
 
All these posts about planting stories to get Sneijder to realise we won't be taken for a ride I find a little silly. Why would Utd need to use the media to do that? They could just tell him to his face.
 
unitedbhoy said:
I hope your tight, but it will take a good season or 2 int top flight football to convince me. Let's hope the players you are talking about don't have the same attitude as you.
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You make it sound like having a lot of confidence that some of our youngsters will make it is a bad thing. Being sure they will be good players for us innthe future isn't saying they should take it for granted, I'm not sure where you'd even get that from what Redsky said.
 
cina said:
Giggs hasn't played on the wings in ages so I don't think Young was his replacement, he's just a player that he knew would be a good fit for this team, which is why getting Young and not a new midfielder too is a strange one for me.

I believe he said before that he bought Nani and Anderson as Giggs and Scholes replacements. Obviously Nani has worked out but because of all the unexpected midfield problems, mainly in Hargreaves, Anderson just isn't enough anymore.

I mean really, I'm very glad we got Ashley Young but we could've still coped on the wings no problem without him, as opposed to coping in the midfield without a new player. The latter was always the bigger problem.
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Fergie has been quite open that he wants Young to play on the left.

It doesn't take a genius to work out who he is replacing.

This talk about Fergie relying on Giggs to cover the centre mid postion is bollocks. United are clearly looking for the right player and I for one am happy that it might not be a greedy little clog wearing, smoker.
 
buckooo1978 said:
The statement released by Gill would suggest we are miles apart in negotiations

A bit different from Ronaldinho - we were very close but Kenyon's penny pinching cost us...

We need this guy - we can't rely purely on the midfield we have and it would be stupid to put too much pressure on kids like cleverley in the coming season.

I hope Sneijder isn't taking the piss as regards wage demands

Deal or no deal we still need a midfielder - it will take more than an excellent match against a shite man city to convince me otherwise
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How about a premiership title and CL final?
 
WS doesn't want to come enough/take drop in earnings

Inter don't want to sell for less than 30/35m

United don't want to pay more than25/30m max.

and none of the three parties really need/want to make it happen that much - unless it's a great deal for them - and nobody is willing to make it a great deal

nobody needs this deal that much
 
I don't get people who constantly claim that we don't need him. They look at the first XI and then go bananas over how to fit in the player. Maybe, just maybe, there are some other plans involved into shaping the squad? Ever thought of that?

Calm down folks.
 
Fergie's Man said:
Fergie has been quite open that he wants Young to play on the left.

It doesn't take a genius to work out who he is replacing.

This talk about Fergie relying on Giggs to cover the centre mid postion is bollocks. United are clearly looking for the right player and I for one am happy that it might not be a greedy little clog wearing, smoker.
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He's not replacing anyone. Our wings were well stocked, he bought him cause he wanted him. Replacing the current Giggs is nothing to do with our wings. He was replaced ages ago by Nani.

And yeah, such bollocks that we're relying on Giggs in the middle, it's not like we were struggling hugely in the midfield last season whenever he wasn't in it, or played much better when he was, is it?

A greedy little clog wearing smoker ... deary me.
 
R_Nick said:
You make it sound like having a lot of confidence that some of our youngsters will make it is a bad thing. Being sure they will be good players for us innthe future isn't saying they should take it for granted, I'm not sure where you'd even get that from what Redsky said.
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I'm not saying it is a bad thing. I'm just disagreeing with the fact that he is so sure that they will make it. There have been countelss amount of promising players who have shined for the Reserves yet not had the mental strength or consistency to make as a first team player. All I'm say is we should wait to see their performances at top flight football before we are making the decision that they will be stars for the team. Just being realistic.
 
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