... and thus the Sneijder thread reaches it's lowest point.
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... and thus the Sneijder thread reaches it's lowest point.
Saying 'CL Final' is worthless without context, you can beat any old shit and reach a Champions League Final. What we did to reach the CL Final was beat Marseille, beat no-marks from Germany, and beat Chelsea twice, only one of those three things is a particularly laudable achievement.
This has been a summer of unbelievable twists, "signed" then "not signed"
We have seen this on the Sanchez, Nasri and now Sneijder transfers.
On all of the above the papers reported that we had signed each of them then a couple of days later the same paper would publish a report that another club had signed the player.
So from this i wouldn't get my knickers in a twist until 01 September.
We have seen this on the Sanchez, Nasri and now Sneijder transfers.
On all of the above the papers reported that we had signed each of them then a couple of days later the same paper would publish a report that another club had signed the player.
So from this i wouldn't get my knickers in a twist until 01 September.
The question is, do I listen to you or do I listen to common sense?
The latter.
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Was it that bad when we signed Berbatov? I honestly can't remember.
Nothing wrong with caution, it was the 'I hope they don't have your attitude' bit that I found odd. Let's be honest confidence and maybe even a little arrogance in a player is a good thing.
Good grief, there are plenty of much lower points than this.
I do hope Sneijder has priced himself out of the move. In SAF I trust!
You're right, the Champions League is like the Carling Cup of Europe. All the big teams play their reserves in the aim of focusing on more important competitions, like Community Shields.
It's only the most 'laudable' competition in the World, that we have been in 3 finals in 4 years. Don't downplay our achievements; it's a terrible thing to do as a supporter.
I think this point almost proves that there are huge exceptions to the "rule" you were pointing out.
I know if I was in Sneijder's position I wouldn't be taking a pay cut. In the prime of my career, should have made the shortlist (if not won) the last Ballon D'or and probably only have 5-6 years left at the top. Why would one of only probably 5 world class midfielders in the world in his prime take a pay cut to join anyone.
It doesn't mean he isn't going to be a fighter or is going to be petulant, if another company headhunted me, I certainly wouldn't be accepting a pay cut.
To be fair... In 15 years are we going to be saying "can you remember that incredible period where we dominated Europe, getting to 3 finals in 4 years". Or are we more likely to say "what a night it was in Moscow 2008."
There's no history for first loser.
So further to Gill statement I was right when I said Sneijder is too expensive and the money can be spent better elsewhere.
People who talk about we need this guy, it's not our money live in some cloud cuckoo land - £35m is way way overpriced for Sneijder and his wage demands are ridiculous also.
People who talk about we need this guy, it's not our money live in some cloud cuckoo land - £35m is way way overpriced for Sneijder and his wage demands are ridiculous also.
If you act like a condescending cnut to everyone, then everyone will think you're a cnut, and I think most do already, to be fair.
Young playing on the left means he's a replacement for a Ryan Giggs who now plays in the middle does it? And Fergie makes absolutely no statements about Giggs in that article so it's completely irrelevant.
What planet have you been living on in the last three years?
£35m for a world class midfielder is a very reasonable fee.
Get with the times ffs
That's not what I'm arguing at all, maybe you should learn to read properly. You can reach the Champions League Final by beating poor standard teams if the draw favours you, and in the Last 16 and the Last 4, the draw did favour us, we drew teams we were far superior to, who certainly weren't among the top sides in Europe, Schalke weren't even among the top sides in Germany. At no point have I argued that teams were giving anything other than their utmost to beat us though, that is a complete strawman.
I'm not downplaying anything, I'm accurately assessing it, and looking at it in more depth than 'We reached the Final, everything's great', Stoke reached the FA Cup Final by avoiding the best sides until the Final, it doesn't mean much to their quality though, Arsenal reached the CL Final when they were the 5th best team in England, Liverpool were roundly mocked on here for claiming reaching the CL Final in 2007 as being this major achievement.
When you properly analyse it it, 2 wins over Chelsea and comfortable victories over teams who'd be mid-table at best in England, it's not an exceptional achievement. If realising that makes me 'downplaying' our achievement rather than looking at it like a simpleton then fine.
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No, you actually are downplaying our achievement... to an oppo fan you must sound like a stereotypical 'Man Utd' fan, that type I keep assuring them we're not all like. Some of the teams were weak, but we got to the final ffs... 
I agree with your sentiment and am certainly not one to bury my head in the sand, but I think people are too easily writing off what we did last season because it "was't a good United side".
Yeah, it is now in transition. But our team last year was good enough to get to a CL final and is currently the second best team in Europe. People gloss over that too quickly. Imagine Milan's humiliation at getting knocked out by a "no-mark team from England".
Of course, we are each entitled to our own accurate assessments. That's what makes the internet a fun place to be. Simpletons are actively encouraged to rub shoulders with those that are always correct.
Maybe some would be happier if we signed a bebe type mid fielder
35 million is around the mark for a to class mid fielderIf he said it 2 days ago then it's likely been posted in this thread a bazillion times already buddy! A picture of Sneijder eating a burger would be posted here as soon as it was online.
Schalke decimated Inter at their own ground, not many teams do that. I generally agree with you, but the standard of teams in Europe these days compared to say 10 or so years ago doesn't even begin to compare. Unless we're facing Barcelona or Madrid we're always go start as favourites.
I suggest you tell that to Gill.
£35m plus astronomical wage. If he does not cut it then it will be hard to move him on and bring someone else in new and his wage demands - more than Rooney would lead to even more wage inflation.
There is no guarantee he will be successful. Playing in Italy is a wolrd of difference to the EPL.
Reaching the CL Final is hugely overplayed though, we have a good side but it's certainly not exceptional, or as good as our last side to win the League and reach the Final, but they are treated in the same way because they both achieved similar things, which is a nonsense. This year, if we had faced Barcelona in the Quarter Finals and got pasted there instead of in the Final, would that have made us a worse team? Of course not. The real achievement last season was beating Chelsea 3 times, not playing out a Semi Final that was basically a formality and then losing the Final.
People gloss over the idea of us being the second best team in Europe because they don't believe it's true, everyone seems to forget about Real Madrid when making that statement. There's no conclusive evidence we're better than Real Madrid, and some evidence that they're stronger than us. The main argument that we are better seems to revolve around us reaching the Champions League Final and them failing to do so, but there's little doubt in my mind that if they'd faced Chelsea and Schalke, and we'd faced Tottenham and Real Madrid, we'd have both lost to Barcelona.
The point of this is, the squad as it stands isn't exceptional, and the mantra that we reached the CL Final, or that we are the 2nd best team in Europe, they shouldn't be used to pretend we have an extremely good squad, or that there are no areas of it that seriously need addressing.
Do people live with their head under a rock? It's not the transfer fee that's holding this move up, I dont believe we'd have any problem whatsoever spending 35m on him (although by all accounts the fee agreed was more around the 32/33m mark) it's his wages and the club are perfectly correct in not making a 27 year old new boy the highest paid player at the club
Sunderland decimated Chelsea at their own ground, no team's done that for at least 7 years, sometimes fluke results happen. Yeah, we'll start as favourites against anyone except Barca or Real Madrid, but the gap between us and them is only increasing, and we can't really rely on avoiding them. The increasing gap, that needs to be addressed, and I don't think bringing back Cleverley and Welbeck and signing Young and Jones will help us to compete with Barcelona who are bringing in Fabregas and Sanchez, and Real Madrid who are bringing in Altintop and Sahin.
haha...fair enough! i cant keep up!
Is it only sugar-daddy clubs and Barca/Madrid who can sign the really top players nowadays? It seems that way given the wage level distortion nowadays. Very sad that eventually the likes of Abramovich have finally got their way
The only thing that surprises me about this transfer is why there are not more pics of Yolanthe in this thread...
Sahin was cheap 10m Euros or less.
Sanchez went for £23m?
Fabregas at £35m is good value.
Inter president Moratti has been bankrolling ridiculous salaries if you look at their wage bill and they need to offload players but like City no one wants to pay these players what they are getting even thought they are quality.
United can play hard ball over sneijder and I hope they do to a) get the feee down and b) get him to reduce his wage demands or get Inter to pay part.
I love players to have confidence. It's the attitude of 'I've already made it' that destroys a players chances of making it at United.
No change from what his stance has been all summer then
The press conference is today. In fact its probably already started.
I don't think it will happen. We've put all our eggs in the basket of someone whose wage demands are unsustainable. We struggle in signing the top bracket of players-i think it would be better to find a cheaper option with potential, whomever that may be
We're getting off topic a bit (if this thread ever was on topic... perhaps page 1!?!) but I've only a couple points to make:
1, The quality of a squad is only surely relative to the quality of every other squad at a given point in time? So, even if our squad isn't as good as it was in times gone by, it's still "at least 3rd" best in Europe. I wholeheatedly agree we can be stronger so, in fact, we're kind of arguing the same point!
2, You dismiss the factual evidence that points to us being better than Madrid (even if it due to a lucky draw in the CL, other Premiership teams being 'shit', etc...) but don't actually give any reason why Real Madrid have a right to consider themselves better than us. Are you basing the assessment on their team, on paper? Like it or not, there's a good argument to suggest City are stronger than us on paper too.
I'd love to face Madrid this season though. I think our discipline would see us through.
I don't think we struggle. Look at the players Barca and Real have bought apart from perhaps one or two we could compete with them.
I have to agree with that somewhat. How we would have fared over two legs against Barca - 2nd one at OT, now thats the bit i disagree with. But as aul Wesley says "Only God knows.."
We have a great squad tho - better than last year, its just that little bit of a injection of experience & magic is needed in mid-field to make us all the better. Aul Wesley shirley fits that bill...
Press conference started at 12 PM. Quotes should be arriving soon.
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Has it actually started?
It has, yes. Only quotes I can find are about the riots.
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