The whole thing is still down to money. All depends who wants what more...
Wesley Sneijder
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I don't think he was as bad as some people made out against City today. He kept it simple and showed glimpse of his passing quality and interplay. Lets not forget that it's a preseason game against a team that are a little further along in their preparation.
He doesn't come because he doesn't accept our offer on the table then fine. Hope he does he sign though, quality player.
He doesn't come because he doesn't accept our offer on the table then fine. Hope he does he sign though, quality player.
Strange article considering how he was pretty medicore today
Miguel Delaney
Gasperini said he's aware of United offer to Sneijder. Have to negotiate with club. If we sell it'll be on our terms.
There is little to no chance that we have made an offer to Sneijder without the express permission of Inter, we aren't ran by utter tools afterall.
There's a part of me hoping we don't sign him just so I can see your reaction wr8.
Well the football season would have started so I won't really care all that much.
However that Sneijder tattoo and the Jersey will be more difficult to get rid off. .
Yeah... how strange... it's utterly baffling that some players can have a couple of off days here and there including our own players... mindblowing... I forgot a few off performances defines a players ability more than the many many many many many great performances, they just get discarded. I forgot that's how it works.
you tell em zarlak...
Have you been playing Top Spin 4 for 4 days non stop?
my PS3 has been switched on for about a week I think I paused a match about a week ago and haven't gone back to the PS3 since. Nothing is grabbing me anymore since the Drake beta went down.What's your stance on the Sneijder transfer then by the way, one minute it looks like you want him the next minute it looks like you don't.
I was going to say you should get some sleep.
Is it any good?
EDIT I hope we sign him.
Especially given how well Cleverley did against Barca.
There's definately something to read into from that interview.
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Interviewer: "You are happy to stay at Inter?"
Sneijder: "I am always happy! I'm a happy guy! I'm happy to train with my colleges and to play my games for the fans and the club. And what happens? we will see. "
Now firstly, he could have shut that question down and been professional about it and said "Of course I am happy at inter" Instead he firstly avoided the question "are you happy at Inter" and joked that he is just a happy guy, of course he is happy! and he added to the speculation at the end with that bit in bold. He was simply saying, something could well happen and he wasn't even asked that.
2.
Interviewer: "Is there any chance something will happen?"
Sneijder: "There is always chance something will happen, but, we'll see"
Avoiding saying a specific "yes" or "no" as it would be a too definitive answer. He turned it into a general answer for every football player on the planet, "of course I could move, it happens all the time in football" and of course took away the definitiveness off the answer by saying "we will see".
3.
Interviewer: "Is playing in England something you would like to do before your career finishes?"
Sneijder: "Well I have played in many big competitions, I started in Holland and then Spain and in Italy and as you can see I am still here and as I said before, what will happen? we will see. But I am happy, I'm a happy guy"
So once again, rather than a simple answer "Yes England has always appealed to me" or "No I have no ambition to play in the Premier League" he quickly goes away from the question and tells us where he has played which bares no real relation to the question and finishes it off once again with "we will see".
3.
When the interview is coming to the end the Interviewer cheekily pops in the blunt question "Are you happy to be linked with Man United?"
He shakes his head with a big grin and says "I'm Not". If I had to guess from his body language I'd have said that like how journalists finish off statements in brackets for their interviewee, to put it into context for the article, you'd finish off that one "I'm not (going to comment on that)".
It was just too direct for him and it was a good time to get out.
If I had to pull a guess right out of my arse, I'd say that we have a good idea of Inter's valuation of him now. I'd guess we have been negotiating and have an idea of a figure Inter would accept and it's a figure we're happy to put in as an official bid. We've now moved on to his agent and are trying to broker some sort of deal so contract negotiations are not a problem if an official bid is accepted as that would be embarrassing for both parties. Sneijder's a "mercenary", United are "Skint".
I'd say that's also why Gasperini isn't kicking off big time at us "tapping him up".
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1.
Interviewer: "You are happy to stay at Inter?"
Sneijder: "I am always happy! I'm a happy guy! I'm happy to train with my colleges and to play my games for the fans and the club. And what happens? we will see. "
Now firstly, he could have shut that question down and been professional about it and said "Of course I am happy at inter" Instead he firstly avoided the question "are you happy at Inter" and joked that he is just a happy guy, of course he is happy! and he added to the speculation at the end with that bit in bold. He was simply saying, something could well happen and he wasn't even asked that.
2.
Interviewer: "Is there any chance something will happen?"
Sneijder: "There is always chance something will happen, but, we'll see"
Avoiding saying a specific "yes" or "no" as it would be a too definitive answer. He turned it into a general answer for every football player on the planet, "of course I could move, it happens all the time in football" and of course took away the definitiveness off the answer by saying "we will see".
3.
Interviewer: "Is playing in England something you would like to do before your career finishes?"
Sneijder: "Well I have played in many big competitions, I started in Holland and then Spain and in Italy and as you can see I am still here and as I said before, what will happen? we will see. But I am happy, I'm a happy guy"
So once again, rather than a simple answer "Yes England has always appealed to me" or "No I have no ambition to play in the Premier League" he quickly goes away from the question and tells us where he has played which bares no real relation to the question and finishes it off once again with "we will see".
3.
When the interview is coming to the end the Interviewer cheekily pops in the blunt question "Are you happy to be linked with Man United?"
He shakes his head with a big grin and says "I'm Not". If I had to guess from his body language I'd have said that like how journalists finish off statements in brackets for their interviewee, to put it into context for the article, you'd finish off that one "I'm not (going to comment on that)".
It was just too direct for him and it was a good time to get out.
If I had to pull a guess right out of my arse, I'd say that we have a good idea of Inter's valuation of him now. I'd guess we have been negotiating and have an idea of a figure Inter would accept and it's a figure we're happy to put in as an official bid. We've now moved on to his agent and are trying to broker some sort of deal so contract negotiations are not a problem if an official bid is accepted as that would be embarrassing for both parties. Sneijder's a "mercenary", United are "Skint".
I'd say that's also why Gasperini isn't kicking off big time at us "tapping him up".
Just my 1/50th of a Dollar
I thought the point was fair, tbh, if Sneijder did have a mediocre game(I did not watch the game so cannot say one way or other). That article is using that game as an example of how he could fit into our plans following his best years with Inter and Holland playing in a different position. If he was not upto much this game, then it's an odd example to ground the point.
I don't think anyone is disputing Sneijder is a top player or that top players have off performances but whether he could fit what United need after doing so well in a different role is a point open to debate. I'd like to see it tested out obviously.
It is actually, full of infuriating moments at the start when you are just starting out, but it gets very good. Not tried it online yet.
I hope so too, it looks like it's being discussed for sure. We just need to get it finished off, everything is wink wink smile no err let's see, only god knows cough wink smile. Just get on with it already.
My point was that using one off preseason game in the middle of your transfer being one of the biggest stories discussed in the media constantly to judge a players overall ability is just nonsense. If he had a mediocre game the only thing it says, is that he had a mediocre game, in a career filled with exceptional games.
Giggs could have an off game, but you wouldn't say he's not suited to left wing. You'd say he's having an off game.
What I don't get is why no one can quote it properly. It puzzles me. Why do people change a word here and there? He was asked: Are you flattered to be linked to Manchester United? And Sneijder said: No, no i'm not'.
I think he's a confident player so flattery isn't the right word anyway. It was a strange thing to ask someone who's played for Ajax/Real Madrid/Inter Milan and is a Holland International. I think it's touch and go but it sounds like a transfer waiting to happen.
It's going to go for a few weeks yet but he's going to be a United player by the end of August - both parties are probably battling it out as we speak.
Ferguson doesn't want to give anything away either as he knows both City and Chowsea will be sniffing around him, especially if United are interested.
Ferguson doesn't want to give anything away either as he knows both City and Chowsea will be sniffing around him, especially if United are interested.
Is nobody else bothered by the fact that it's apparently a money situation for Sneijder that is holding this up?
No. Footballs elite come at a price.
I am. No player is bigger than the club, certainly not one that doesn't even play for us. I'd like to say no one knows what's holding up a deal but I'd say it's almost certainly his wage demands which I'd say now makes this transfer very unlikely, in fact I'd go as far as saying that Fergie probably isn't even interested in bringing him in anymore if he's come across to him as some big time Charlie
I am, especially as it appears that breaking the bank for him is goin to be the only way we get him.
I'm not convinced that Sneijder is THE player to fill be creative void on our team, which is what caused me the concerns financially. If we were lacking a winger and it was Sanchez (for example) that was in the same situation, I wouldn't bat an eyelid but as it is, I'm not even 75% convinced that Sneijder is the right man and therefore I have reservations about breaking our transfer record for him and then making him the top or second highest paid player at the club.
I doubt Sneijder will put himself across as a big time Charlie as it wouldn't were him well to act like that BUT putting it simply, we are probably asking him to move for the same or less money and his agent will be asking why he should take a pay cut to join us.
Unfortunately, I doubt there is much haggling over the fee and I can imagine that all the snags are down to the wages, signing on fee and agent 'costs'
Even so, his wage demands, if true, are extortionate. Do Xavi and Iniesta even earn that? Personally I think Sneijder is at the wrong end of his career and I'd be worried about his motivation to really dig in when the going gets tough. What I don't want is for some fancy player coming in thinking they own the place, flouncing around our midfield.
This is going to be a wierd feeling if we sign him, because I don't usually associate these sort of players with our club. We've not always needed to have the biggest names here to be successful.
I've been listening to what Fergie has had to say about the situation and there is still no evidence that he is interested. Watching him operate over the years left ms thinking he didn't care much for this sort of player/character.
If a player, such as Rooney, has given us his best years then he won't begrudge them a big wage packet. I've never known us give huge wages to a player that has been passed around the other European giants.
The guy is what 26-27? This could very well be his last opportunity of a mega pay deal. You can't fault him for trying to get as much money as possible.
It's been a while since we were in for someone of his reputation and compare us to other clubs that go in for players like this:
Chelsea: Sugar Daddy, money (wasn't) an object.
City: Sugar Daddy, money no object.
Real: Basically government funded, loads of money from TV Deal and Merchandising.
Barca: TV Deal and Merchandising, very well off and small squad with huge wage structure.
We're playing it cool. I think Ferguson's attitude is "show some ambition and accept less money, if you'd rather earn a bit extra cash than want to play for a club of our stature and quality that offers you opportunity to win great things then fine, you can stay at a now average Inter because you obviously don't have the right mentality anyway."
I wouldn't do too much of that if I was you. The only thing Fergie does when it comes to United transfers is make himself out to be a lying bastard. Most of the players we have signed over the last few years have been refuted by Fergie at some point prior to us actually securing their signature.
The demands aren't extortionate at all. It would be extortionate if they generated feck all and wanted top dollar.They get paid so much money because they generate that money for the club and as such are perfectly entitled to a reasonable slice of the money they brought into the club. If your job earns X because of you, you are entitled to Y. That's why you get pay rises, because your success has brought success to your business.
People talk sometimes like the chance to play for the club is so great a player should forfeit everything just to play. The reality is, we've gone to X Y and Z players because we need them, not because we wanted to offer them the chance to play for our fine establishment from the goodness of our hearts, but because we've identified a need and we go to X player because we think we need him. It works both ways and it would be pretty unreasonable to say to a player 'we need you, that's why we've come to you, but we don't want to pay you the wages you currently have for being one of the best players around, we want you to drop you wages, and do the job for us that we need you to do.'
If he was asking 500k a week then you can quite simply say feck off that's unheard of, but 200k a week (if this is all true by the way, it could even be complete bollocks) is being mooted around for a fair few players these days, it's fast becoming a norm so it seems, not anything unheard of. Asking for his current wage I don't think is unreasonable at all.
Sneijder is at the peak of his career, not the wrong end at all. As far as fancy player coming in thinking they own the place flouncing around I'm not sure what his wages have to do with that or what you base that assumption on. As for the never needing the biggest names, we've had on a regular basis the biggest names here which have contributed to our success.
Yeah agree with most of this. This is a tough call. Wes has no childhood fascination with United. Certainly we are worthy of great respect and admiration, but if he does have to take a pay cut on his last big opportunity, well we are asking a bit much when you look at what Real, Chelsea, City, and some others pay...
Bottom line for me, if he decides to go elsewhere no hard feelings I understand the business, but if he comes to us, I will be psyched as clearly he is coming to win stuff and the money be arsed...
!!didnt look bothered about playing today
I don't think many of the Inter players were too bothered about playing two mickey mouse games in a near empty stadium in rainy Dublin to be fair.
So you're saying that the success he brought Inter entitles him to more with us? Obviously Sneijder sees it this way if what we are hearing is true, but look at what I said again. We never have an issue with paying top wages to a player that has brought us the success. They generally have to earn it first, but this would be the first time that a player has walked in and demanded to be top earner, or thereabouts. And this is where it doesn't sit well with me.
I could go on further to discuss the potential drawbacks to signing him, such as the fact that he could flop or may not work. Or the fact that he wasn't that great when faced with the biggest test of his career. Or the fact that he seems to be living off the hype of one season a couple of years ago. This doesn't sound like a 'world class' player that you throw money at to get him here. Obviously you will say 'but he's a top player' etc. etc., but these are considerations that a well run club has to have in mind before straight up offering him in with huge wages. I'm sure we have considered these possibilities and this is part of the reason why I'm still not convinced that we are that bothered about signing him.
Obviously we have targets of player X,Y and Z, but I've never heard of us struggling to convince a player to sign for us because of wages, as has been suggested here. It's new to me, and I can't see myself taking to this sort of player, so that is perhaps why I have my reservations.
I really struggle to think why he's been labelled as a world class player though. I think it's a pedestal that certain United supporters have put him on through desperation to see him sign.
Ok, so from what I can gather today...
Reports there is a contract on the table that he can take or leave...
SAF says thats shite and never made such comments...
Wes says he could still make the move to United...
Inter manager says there is a contract offer on the table, although last I heard Inter said they have never spoken to United.
Wes played shite in some game in Dublin.
That the extent of it?
Reports there is a contract on the table that he can take or leave...
SAF says thats shite and never made such comments...
Wes says he could still make the move to United...
Inter manager says there is a contract offer on the table, although last I heard Inter said they have never spoken to United.
Wes played shite in some game in Dublin.
That the extent of it?
After all this bollocks he better be shit hot if he comes.
Ive wanted him at Utd for 2 years but a big part of me wants to tell him to feck off right about now.
Ive wanted him at Utd for 2 years but a big part of me wants to tell him to feck off right about now.
Youtube version of interview.
He touched his neck, he was clearly nervous
Oh, and that "I'm not " at the end to me seemed like a "I'm not gonna talk about that", rather than "I'm not flattered".
Oh, and that "I'm not " at the end to me seemed like a "I'm not gonna talk about that", rather than "I'm not flattered".
Trappatonis translater is there aswell? feck she doesn't half get around!
Haha ya
I was commenting on how strange it was for that article to use today's (yesterday's) game as evidence as to how useful Sneijder would be for us down the middle. Lay off the moonshine.
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