Wesley Sneijder

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Hmm...29m? I'm quite sure I read somewhere that we're skint.

I'd love the guy to sign though, and the muppet in me is holding onto some sort of hope that he will, even though I know my hopes will be dashed with Fergie coming out and saying 'no value in the market' again.
 
Fergies Formula said:
ok look, Last summer you were firmly against his signing and argued it often with me. Has that changed now and has your opinion of him? surely it must have he has stepped it up and realized his potential.

In the majority of our premiership games he will play 2 upfront still, who the 2 strikers will be i'm not sure - berbatov has worn my patience thin and im sure fergusons also, its only against strong opposition we will have an extra man in the middle. Surely he wont only be using Sneijder at these times, its my view he will play in the majority of games 442 and 451.
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If your opinion is in fact correct, and we are still to play 4-4-2 as our main formation then I wouldn't want Sneijder, no. He'd not be half as influential as he has been in the hole for club and country, and we'd be too suspect defensively, I think.
 
Allforone said:
Mostly being the 'were skint/weve got no money/panorama said so' crew who are now shitting themselves that their doom mongery is looking rather silly as some have been pointing out for some time in fairness.
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we still wont sign him though :p
 
Guys, my friend's dad's best friend from university's daughter talked to a guy who saw Wesley and Fergie getting into a car heading to Old Trafford. He says he'd rather play for United than win the World Cup.

More or less believable than the papers?
 
Sneijder + Fletcher/Carrick/Anderson = a CM partnership capable of winning the PL and quite possibly the CL.

Anyone who doesn't want the guy to come to us, after the season he has had (quite possibly, and deservedly so, the winner of POTY award and IMO the only other CM who is in the Xavi/Iniesta bracket) is absolutely off their head. The lad oozes class, and surely has the potential to go down as one the greats (depending on future success...I mean the WC would be a good start)
 
Sir Matt said:
Guys, my friend's dad's best friend from university's daughter talked to a guy who saw Wesley and Fergie getting into a car heading to Old Trafford. He says he'd rather play for United than win the World Cup.

More or less believable than the papers?
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Less.
 
Allforone said:
Mostly being the 'were skint/weve got no money/panorama said so' crew who are now shitting themselves that their doom mongery is looking rather silly as some have been pointing out for some time in fairness.
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Credit Facility?
 
Allforone said:
Mostly being the 'were skint/weve got no money/panorama said so' crew who are now shitting themselves that their doom mongery is looking rather silly as some have been pointing out for some time in fairness.
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Well the fact that the club is in debt and may buy a good player will probably help people brush it under the carpet again - the G&G campaign, without a new player, will be the focus of the new season. It may be a ploy by the Glazers to win the less committed folk over again and get them out of the spot light.

People like me on the other hand, yes I'll be glad we signed someone because the teams performance is paramount - but I won't forget the state the club is in.

Fact being that we need to spend - these are good rumours because its regarding the weakest part of our team and buying one of the BPITW. But no, the people who talk about the impending doom shouldn't be called idiots because everything they say is true. Throwing debt at debt...creates more debt, surprisingly.
 
Brwned said:
If your opinion is in fact correct, and we are still to play 4-4-2 as our main formation then I wouldn't want Sneijder, no. He'd not be half as influential as he has been in the hole for club and country, and we'd be too suspect defensively, I think.
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I agree with your point about him being much more influential in the hole, but Berbatov has played in the hole most of the time at United, and I don't think 4-4-2 is our main formation anymore anyway.

Sneijder - yes.
Balotelli - no.
 
Brwned said:
If your opinion is in fact correct, and we are still to play 4-4-2 as our main formation then I wouldn't want Sneijder, no. He'd not be half as influential as he has been in the hole for club and country, and we'd be too suspect defensively, I think.
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Who do you want then if United keep playing a 4-4-2? A top striker, who?
 
Collina said:
I agree with your point about him being much more influential in the hole, but Berbatov has played in the hole most of the time at United, and I don't think 4-4-2 is our main formation anymore anyway.

Sneijder - yes.
Balotelli - no.
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I agree with literally every word of that. Although I don't know all that much of Ballotelli so saying no's maybe a bit harsh.
 
Alex said:
Who do you want then if United keep playing a 4-4-2? A top striker, who?
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If we were to decide 4-4-2 was the way to go I'd be happy with the strikers we have now - I really am optimistic about Hernandez, and Berbatov's still good in my book - so ideally I'd want a centre mid who could do it all, let's say Schweinsteiger, but it wouldn't be a must.
 
Allforone said:
More likely to use some of the 95.9 million that was published on the balance sheet first id imagine.
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Lets wait to see if that is there come the first of August. The credit facility was set up for SAF to use to buy players if required and for the owners to create the illusion that we were in the position to make expensive signings. If we sign the debt rises and SAF knows this
 
How the club missed out on both Robben and Sneijder when sending Ronaldo to Real will remain a mystery to many. The only scenarios I can ponder is neither player wanted a move to OT or the club didn't want to take on two additional salaries.
 
MrMarcello said:
How the club missed out on both Robben and Sneijder when sending Ronaldo to Real will remain a mystery to many. The only scenarios I can ponder is neither player wanted a move to OT or the club didn't want to take on two additional salaries.
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sums up the reasons as to why I don't think we will sign Sneijder.

Lets hope we do though.
 
MrMarcello said:
How the club missed out on both Robben and Sneijder when sending Ronaldo to Real will remain a mystery to many. The only scenarios I can ponder is neither player wanted a move to OT or the club didn't want to take on two additional salaries.
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Robben was considered injury prne and it is well reported that we had been in for him before Kenyon fecked us over and took him to Chelsea. Since then we've never had a good relationship with him and his father so it's no surprise we didn't try to sign him.

As has already been said with Sneijder it was thought that he wouldn't fit well in our 4-4-2 system. Perhaps we considered it and decided we were happy with Carrick and fancied Anderson to train on. Hargreaves was expected back aswell.

A years worth of hindsight on and we have discovered that the 4-5-1/4-3-3 system brings the best out of Rooney, Nani and Valencia. Fletcher also works well in a 3 man center midfield and maybe Ferguson has recognised that Carrick is not suited to the responsibility of a two man midfield any more.

There's literally a hundred reasons why Sneijder is needed in this team.
 
Pexbo said:
Robben was considered injury prne and it is well reported that we had been in for him before Kenyon fecked us over and took him to Chelsea. Since then we've never had a good relationship with him and his father so it's no surprise we didn't try to sign him.

As has already been said with Sneijder it was thought that he wouldn't fit well in our 4-4-2 system. Perhaps we considered it and decided we were happy with Carrick and fancied Anderson to train on. Hargreaves was expected back aswell.

A years worth of hindsight on and we have discovered that the 4-5-1/4-3-3 system brings the best out of Rooney, Nani and Valencia. Fletcher also works well in a 3 man center midfield and maybe Ferguson has recognised that Carrick is not suited to the responsibility of a two man midfield any more.

There's literally a hundred reasons why Sneijder is needed in this team.
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But still, letting Sneijder go to Inter was a massive stuff up. Something that we should really have avoided making. Alot of people were begging to get him to UNited and when he was available we should've made the move. There is a very slim chance that he will come to England. But if he would, I'd say a bid in the region of an inflated 40 million would be needed. Especially considering the season he has had.

I do hope that we don't go in to make a move for Van Der Vaart though. Alot's been said that he is unsettled at Madrid and that he could follow in Sneijder's footsteps and be successful at the next club he joins. I personally just don't see it. Don't think he is anywhere near good enough for United. That being said, if we do sign him, I hope I'm proven wrong.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
He didn't need to be. His quality was only in doubt to the very unserious.
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Potential quality. He'd never actually performed at that level, and it was questionable whether he ever would. And for every player that steps up and makes the most of their potential, there are another four or five who don't and end up falling by the wayside.

Fergie has a much better than average record at finding ones who will step up (and helping them do that), but obviously he can't be perfect. He will sign players who don't end up achieving their potential and will meanwhile miss players who end up reaching the top of the game. You'd need a crystal ball to be perfect.
 
MadDogg said:
Potential quality. He'd never actually performed at that level
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Totally wrong. He had done that at Ajax for years and in his first season at Real. He didn't just suddenly come of age. He has been this good for a while now. Just for some reason too many kept underrating him. They clearly still do when claiming he just had 'potential quality'.


MadDogg said:
Fergie has a much better than average record at finding ones who will step up (and helping them do that), but obviously he can't be perfect......
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He didn't need to be perfect to see what Jose and some of us saw last summer. We aren't perfect either.
 
HsJ said:
Well the fact that the club is in debt and may buy a good player will probably help people brush it under the carpet again - the G&G campaign, without a new player, will be the focus of the new season. It may be a ploy by the Glazers to win the less committed folk over again and get them out of the spot light.

People like me on the other hand, yes I'll be glad we signed someone because the teams performance is paramount - but I won't forget the state the club is in.

Fact being that we need to spend - these are good rumours because its regarding the weakest part of our team and buying one of the BPITW. But no, the people who talk about the impending doom shouldn't be called idiots because everything they say is true. Throwing debt at debt...creates more debt, surprisingly.
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Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
 
MrMarcello said:
How the club missed out on both Robben and Sneijder when sending Ronaldo to Real will remain a mystery to many. The only scenarios I can ponder is neither player wanted a move to OT or the club didn't want to take on two additional salaries.
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jazza13 said:
But still, letting Sneijder go to Inter was a massive stuff up. Something that we should really have avoided making. Alot of people were begging to get him to UNited and when he was available we should've made the move. There is a very slim chance that he will come to England. But if he would, I'd say a bid in the region of an inflated 40 million would be needed. Especially considering the season he has had.

I do hope that we don't go in to make a move for Van Der Vaart though. Alot's been said that he is unsettled at Madrid and that he could follow in Sneijder's footsteps and be successful at the next club he joins. I personally just don't see it. Don't think he is anywhere near good enough for United. That being said, if we do sign him, I hope I'm proven wrong.
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We (the club) didn't want to buy them last year. No stuff ups, no mistakes were made. We want him this year.
 
jazza13 said:
But still, letting Sneijder go to Inter was a massive stuff up. Something that we should really have avoided making. Alot of people were begging to get him to UNited and when he was available we should've made the move. There is a very slim chance that he will come to England. But if he would, I'd say a bid in the region of an inflated 40 million would be needed. Especially considering the season he has had.

I do hope that we don't go in to make a move for Van Der Vaart though. Alot's been said that he is unsettled at Madrid and that he could follow in Sneijder's footsteps and be successful at the next club he joins. I personally just don't see it. Don't think he is anywhere near good enough for United. That being said, if we do sign him, I hope I'm proven wrong.
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Clubs will always makes mistakes. Live with it.
 
gambit28 said:
We (the club) didn't want to buy them last year. No stuff ups, no mistakes were made. We want him this year.
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i've come round to this line of thought.

Last summer Fergie may have looked at the situation like this:

Most likely formation: 442.
Berbatov to improve and be a key member of the side.
Anderson to improve.
Carrick to regain previous form and be a key member of the midfield.
Hargreaves to regain fitness and be a key member of the midfield.
Owen signed as back up to Rooney and berbatov - experienced striker good for a good few goals.
Kiko and Welbeck to start making a claim for first team spots.

Sneijder, very good player but best suited to 451 which would only seldomly be used.

Turned out Hargreaves never regained fitness, Carrick played crap, Anderson played crap then got injured. Berbatov did ok but didn't set the world alight. Owen did ok before getting injured for the important stretch of the season. Kiko missed most of the season with various injuries. Welbeck never pushed on and we ended up playing 451 a good bit.

Given berbatov's performances, and the fact we moved towards 451 a lot, not having a player like Sneijder to call on in most games is hihglighted as a problem, but last summer it was debatable at the very least.
 
jazza13 said:
But still, letting Sneijder go to Inter was a massive stuff up. Something that we should really have avoided making. Alot of people were begging to get him to UNited and when he was available we should've made the move. There is a very slim chance that he will come to England. But if he would, I'd say a bid in the region of an inflated 40 million would be needed. Especially considering the season he has had.
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But still? :lol:

Forget your hindsight for one minute and actually read what I said. I think it sums up why we didn't go for him and if those were indeed Fergusons reasons then I think it was justified that we didn't go for him at the time.
As has already been said with Sneijder it was thought that he wouldn't fit well in our 4-4-2 system. Perhaps we considered it and decided we were happy with Carrick and fancied Anderson to train on. Hargreaves was expected back aswell.
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It's only the way it has panned out that makes it a bad decision from Ferguson.

Anderson should have made more of an impact this season. His injury made it very difficult and we missed him during the last few months.

Since the last game of the season before (the Rome Final), Carrick seems to have suffered a crisis in confidence and is now playing with an inferiority complex.

Hargreaves was expected fit for around September and we all know now how that was to play out. You have to remember he cost us upwards of £17m, thats real money, not FM Money. We had to take a risk and hope that he would be back and be part of the squad. Carrick, Fletcher, Scholes, Anderson, Hargreaves and an emerging Gibson was the position we were in and I can fully understand Ferguson's reasons for wanting to put faith in that rather than bring another midfielder in.

This season we have the benefit of hindsight to realise that even with all those players fit, Sneijder is a world class player and would make a real difference to our team. The 4-5-1 system he fits so snuggly into is just another reason to get him.


EDIT - Just seen the post above me, different wording but exactly the same points as this one, so least some people get it.
 
Brwned said:
If your opinion is in fact correct, and we are still to play 4-4-2 as our main formation then I wouldn't want Sneijder, no. He'd not be half as influential as he has been in the hole for club and country, and we'd be too suspect defensively, I think.
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My point is that we would be signing as a player who is versatile and has the creativity we are missing. He could play in a number of positions; behind Rooney as a second striker, on the left in a free role, in a midfield 3 and as I said before in the centre alongside a ball winner.
 
Fergies Formula said:
My point is that we would be signing as a player who is versatile and has the creativity we are missing. He could play in a number of positions; behind Rooney as a second striker, on the left in a free role, in a midfield 3 and as I said before in the centre alongside a ball winner.
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Yes but you're assuming he can play in the middle in a 4-4-2, which he has very rarely done and when he did Madrid's defensive record declined massively(they let in double the amount of goals, iirc). And that's in La Liga.

He's a quality player if he's got two players covering his back, and there's very few who fit the profile of the player we need most as well as him, so I'm all for it. Then when Mourinho comes he'll already know how to get the best out of him and we'll be set up for years to come.
 
Well you can all say what you like but I can't imagine he'll make our midfield any worse than it currently is, so I don't know what some of you are complaining about!

And as it is, while it's not quite up to Chelsea standard, it's pretty good already. Not fantastic, but pretty good.
 
Brwned said:
Yes but you're assuming he can play in the middle in a 4-4-2, which he has very rarely done and when he did Madrid's defensive record declined massively(they let in double the amount of goals, iirc). And that's in La Liga.

He's a quality player if he's got two players covering his back, and there's very few who fit the profile of the player we need most as well as him, so I'm all for it. Then when Mourinho comes he'll already know how to get the best out of him and we'll be set up for years to come.
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Hopefully if he signs we can see what he is capable of. Judging him on Real Madrids inability to defend is unfair they are always suspect!

Oi brwned out of curiosity are you still on your one man crusade to have me evicted from the cafe??
 
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