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Wesley Sneijder
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Except it wasn't clear. Maybe Fergie, like many on here, had doubts whether Sneijder could take the next step up. And obviously so did every other top club around, not a one of them rivalled Inter for a player they all could easily have afforded if they'd wanted. It's not like he was anywhere near this form and consistency for Real.
too bad we don't have more of the O'Sheas
It's not me who is suggesting that SAF is deliberately bidding for players which he knows he cannot get. fecking ridiculous. What's wrong with you lot?!
It is fecking unbelievable. Apparently it's all some conspiracy. What a load of horse shit.
I'm not saying that it was clear that we should have bought Sneijder but judging whether a player can make the step up is Fergie's job. And to put into perspective what a bargain Sneijder was, we paid a similar amount for Chris Smalling and at the time I believe that he had played one first team game, so how sure can Fergie be that he will "take the next step up"?
What's for sure is that we could have done/could do with a player like Sneijder and he was going for a bargain price, when Fergie keeps on complaining about "value".
But we weren't after him last year. It doesn't matter how little he cost. He'd also come off the back of a bad season. We weren't after him then, were after him now.
That may be true but what is it Fergie wants? A player who has had a great season, with a proven record but doesn't want to pay much If so, he's going to be waiting a long time.
As seemingly we don't have much (if any) money to spend then Fergie is going to have to start taking risks on players with something to prove as buying established players at the top of their games just costs too much money.
Eh? If we weren't after him then we weren't after him. So it doesn't matter how much he cost last season. He had a bad season so there was nothing about him suggesting that would have caught the eye to think, tell you what instead of relying on my Champions league winning midfield that made it to back to back finals I'll spend money on this lad who I have no interest in buying because he will have a good season next year for Inter and Holland at the world cup and if I don't buy now I'll have missed out on a bargain for a position i have plenty of players in. A season later and his midfield hasn't performed the way he likes, so he now decides that Sneijder lad looks good, wonder if we can get him. I'll make a bid and see wether we can get him. What the feck do people want from Fergie? Also we have money to spend.
Well said
I damand SAF buys a better crystal ball.
that's what it comes down to, SAF (and every other manager bar Mourinho) failed to predict the future. How anyone can have a go at him for it is beyond me, hindsight is a foolproof tool in life, unfortunately it's also one that is completely useless; SAF's not a prophet, just a man who happens to be one of the very best in the world at managing a football club - he's only human though, he makes mistakes just like everyone else, but what's the point in leading him up the gallows for it? It's not even worth discussing whether or not we should have bought Schneider last season; we didn't, probably should have done, but we didn't, move on.Look, Fergie is a colossus in the footballing world and what he has done for the club is nothing short of miraculous. In the transfer market, it is his job to identify players that will better the squad etc. Your sarcastic response is the thinking of an Abramovic, with no footballing knowledge, only buying up the succesful players. Any manager in the world can identify great players in CL winning midfield and if you have City-like finances, there's no problem.
However....we have not. We can argue whether there's money available or not, but one thing's for sure-it's limited and has to be spent wisely. Spending a vast amount on a player, who was available half the price a year earlier is not good 'business'.
And if he has plenty of players in the position, why is he attempting to buy now? Has anybody left? Same for the striking department if we've looked at Villa?
There was nothing sarcastic about my post. We weren't after him last season end of.
Are you saying that a manager shouldn't be able to 'see' into the future and see quality in the player he's signing?
By the same token, is Benitez absolved of buying the likes of Lucas as "how can he be expected to see if a player is worth signing or not" until he actually buys one.
Answer this: Who is better in the transfer market - Fergie or Benitez? And then why?
IMO it's Fergie and because he is a better judge of what a player will become, a "crystal ball" if you will.
That's fair enough-I'm not saying we were. What I'm trying to say is that Fergie has to be smarter in the transfer market in our current financial situation and the Sneijder offered the "value" that Ferguson is desperately seeking.
What are you on about? You are literally making no sense. Yes he should know the quality of the players he's signing. Sometimes he can be wrong. As were only now trying to buy Sneijder it still has zero reflection on how much he cost last year.
Ok thats true, but we have a pretty big squad and the need for the central midfield creative has only just come up this year. If Sneijder is the player he wants he'll have a price figured out for him. He can't fully predict the future.
Benitez, obviously.
Well if thats the case then we shouldn't moan about value!!
You don't need a crystal ball to know how good a player Sneidjer was 12 months ago
Rule one of football: never judge anyone based on Real Madrid. Joke of a club
At the end of the day.. couldn't really care how much he cost last year. The fact is he was available and we never went for him and now we won't him he's not avaliable. So we can go feck ourselves!!
He hadn't played at anywhere near the same level as this last season though, and it's just plain wrong to suggest a glaring error was made in not foreseeing him stepping up so much.
If this was the case, why were Inter the only ones who pursued him, and managed to get him at such a relatively bargain price. It was well known that Madrid were clearing out the Dutch contingent last summer after they had gone on that massive spending spree. United were not the only club who could have done with strengthening last summer either after the players who left.
From the outside looking it, it looks like plenty of clubs had a look at him, and thought he was not worth the risk, because you could not have got a simpler transfer than signing one of the five or six Dutch players Madrid were seeking to sell last summer(same applies to Robben in all honesty).
Disagreed
And not an after the event claim either, there were many of us saying this last season, especially in the face of the nonsense 'no value in the market' comments, in fact he was often the chief player mentioned to rebuff it
That's a massive overstatement, Sneijder never played anywhere near as well as he has this year, he grew a lot as a player under a great coach, if he would have gone to Liverpool do you think he'd be in the world player of the year running?
They have sure won a lot of trophies for being a joke of a club, havent they?
I was in the newbies at the time so can't really comment on that. Every player ever to play for any team on FM was suggested down there when the Ronaldo deal/money was revealed.
But I stand by my original point anyway.
What's FM got to do with this?
You didn't need FM to know Sneidjer was a fabulous player last summer!!! Crazy
Erm.
He was probably expecting Anderson to step up and Carrick to atleast maintain a decent run of form. In retrospect neither happened so not going for Sneider then looks daft right now.
You said people suggested Sneidjer last year as evidence that it was somehow an obvious choice, I was simply saying that at the time there were people suggesting all sorts of names just because we 'had £80m to spend'. I wasn't saying you mentioned Sneidjer just because of FM so chill out.
Sneidjer wasn't going for multi multi millions though, was hardly a transfer muppets wet dream. It was a bargain on the market
I think you've misinterpreted me, or I've not made myself clear. All I've tried to say is that there were a few hundred players suggested last year, the fact that some suggested Sneidjer and he's now apparently on our radar doesn't mean caftards are better transfer agents than SAF.
@R_Nick, B Cantona,
I think both of you are right. Last Summer we supposedly had 80 mills to spend, which was generated from Ronnie sale. Sneijder and Robben were bargains it's not deniable, both of them have been around for like forever and they are still relatively young.
However with 80 to spend most of the names suggested were generally "flavour of the month" - why should we go for bargains when we can spend triple on bigger names. I do think R_Nick has a point with FM there, cause people seemed to think they are all available to spend in the summer. And Aguero,Benzema, etc were more "frapping" options, not like we should go for bargains. However as seen, not everytime big spending means you get the better player - Benzema and Sneijder.
I think both of you are right. Last Summer we supposedly had 80 mills to spend, which was generated from Ronnie sale. Sneijder and Robben were bargains it's not deniable, both of them have been around for like forever and they are still relatively young.
However with 80 to spend most of the names suggested were generally "flavour of the month" - why should we go for bargains when we can spend triple on bigger names. I do think R_Nick has a point with FM there, cause people seemed to think they are all available to spend in the summer. And Aguero,Benzema, etc were more "frapping" options, not like we should go for bargains. However as seen, not everytime big spending means you get the better player - Benzema and Sneijder.
I think it was Brwned who argued with me last summer that he wasn't suited to us and that we shouldn't sign him
Have we signed him yet?
Tommorrow!
He's popping round to SAF's gaf for a schmoke and a pancake on Saturday to watch the 3rd place play off.
I remember last year you saying we should have signed him, looks like you may get your wish. Alas poor Hamsik.........
I might well have, although I'd imagine that was because you were saying he would start in a midfield two and be the perfect Scholesy replacement, whereas I thought he would flop in a midfield two since he's lazy and lacks mobility. I still do.
Different replacing him with Berbatov in the team though, which I'm sure you weren't suggesting.
He's done far better than I expected him to do at Inter though, I'll give you that.
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