We will never win the league with Paul Pogba in the team

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Ban said:
You're digging posts from when the hell was it posted, I don't even remember what I meant, did I write it in a jest or whatever..
Are you bored perhaps?
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Omg:lol:

Someone asked if Pogba was the problem, you replied that he wasn't, the real problem (Jose) would be gone by Christmas. I was congratulating you on getting it right :)
 
Litch said:
Just goes to show how quickly things inc fans opinions can change. Only Christmas some wanted him sold to now the very same people lauding him as the best midfielder in the world. There's nothing more fickle than a football fan....
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Just like there were loads of people saying Jose was a great manager and wasn't going to do his usual third season thing - even when he was doing it. And now people are saying Ole should get the job before we've appointed a director of football whose job it would be to choose the next manager.

I guess half the fun of being a fan is having stupid opinions.
 
Bwuk said:
I think Pogba is one of the most talented players in the league. But he can’t play as a holding midfielder.

It just screams of England persisting to put Lampard and Gerrard, two world class players into a position they couldn’t play together.

If we had someone like a Eric Dier next to Matic and provided a solid base for Pogba to push forward and do his thing I don’t think we’d have this thread.
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Replace Dier with Herrera from my post and it’s spot on. The only thing that’s wrong is id say he is the most talented player in the league.

I’ll never understand how people were able to think Pogba was the issue when you consider some of the complete dross that was starting (and still is) for us.
 
RedTiger said:
Omg:lol:

Someone asked if Pogba was the problem, you replied that he wasn't, the real problem (Jose) would be gone by Christmas. I was congratulating you on getting it right :)
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All right then, thanks, carry on.

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I just don't like being tagged in threads I haven't posted in for ages, sorry. :D
 
noodlehair said:
No one wants to say it because he has ability and cost a shite load of money, but it's more true than the thread saying the same about Lukaku.

Pogba is a playground footballer. Turns up to show off in games where the opposition are poor enough to allow us the luxury of him doing so. As soon as the team need him however, you can forget it.

He is more interested in inventing silly handshake routines, showing off, and wanting people to look at his hair, than he ever will be in working hard to help his team win a game.

He has the selfishness of a Gerrard or a Ronaldo but without any of the desire, determination, or basic maturity to go with it, and he's 24 years old. It is unlikely at this point he will ever grow up, and that means he will never be more than a liability in any game where it is important for him to put in work for the benefit of the team.

The idea some people have of playing him further forward because he doesn't work hard enough to play in central midfield is a nonsense...as if playing him in another position somehow makes it less important that he works hard. In a succesful team, every player works harder than Paul Pogba ever does.

The fact is that he is on a pedestal as United's best player, but when you look at City (i.e. the team top of the league), if Paul Pogba played for them in the same way he does for United, he would be told to either grow up or feck off. He wouldn't get close to getting a game for them unless he had a serious change of attitude. At United he seems to go completely unchecked for it because he can showboat around onceor twice every ten games, against the likes of Stoke.
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Hahahahaha....
 
Right now this poster is downplaying our recent performances. He’ll be back once Pogba has a bad patch or leaves.
 
glazed said:
Just like there were loads of people saying Jose was a great manager and wasn't going to do his usual third season thing - even when he was doing it. And now people are saying Ole should get the job before we've appointed a director of football whose job it would be to choose the next manager.

I guess half the fun of being a fan is having stupid opinions.
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A director of football’s job is not to chose the next manager. Doesn’t have that power. If he was in the club already though, he could probably give his opinions on which manager will best suit the clubs philosophy and players on board. But he doesnt chose the manager or fire him for that matter.

The presence of a director of football acts as an intermediary between the manager and the board and may relieve pressure on a manager by handling aspects away from day-to-day coaching, allowing a manager to focus on on-pitch performance.
 
I know back then this thread was intended as more of a reaction to similar thread about Lukaku. But sometimes when you wrote something this stupid, it could come and haunt you back....
 
RedRonaldo said:
I know back then this thread was intended as more of a reaction to similar thread about Lukaku. But sometimes when you wrote something this stupid, it could come and haunt you back....
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Not if every post you make tends to be stupid. Then it just gets a shrug
 
Well, hopefully Pogba can prove this thread and the OP wrong and help us to get EPL trophies. Of course I hope with Ole's at the wheel! :devil:
 
Mrs Smoker said:
Pogba in team: 2 and a half seasons
Titles: 0

Still correct.

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Anybody that get's close to 20 goal and 20 assists in 1 season... yeah I'd say they aren't the problem.
 
glazed said:
Just like there were loads of people saying Jose was a great manager and wasn't going to do his usual third season thing - even when he was doing it.

I guess half the fun of being a fan is having stupid opinions.
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Hold on we are less stupid than other fans because we support Manchester United, so our stupid ideas are far less stupider than say a Bitter fan or a dipper fan who are by birth far more stupid than any Utd supporter can get.

I think, therefore I am.

What’s the fecking question again?
 
Pogba will come into his own in the latter part of the season. He looks like he is enjoying his football and confidence is growing. Will be interesting to revisit this thread this time next year, many of the doubters will have been silenced.
 
Melville Red said:
Hold on we are less stupid than other fans because we support Manchester United, so our stupid ideas are far less stupider than say a Bitter fan or a dipper fan who are by birth far more stupid than any Utd supporter can get.
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There are plenty of United fans that believe what they want to. But unlike the Dippers, there are quite a few sensible ones too.
 
Slik said:
A director of football’s job is not to chose the next manager.
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Not directly. But the idea is that the DoF sets the criteria within which the manager must function. The manager has to be compatible with what the DoF represents and prepared to work within his restrictions, not the other way around.

But more importantly the decision of who manages is something that needs a high degree of expertise and strategic analysis, not just a bunch of blazers in the club bar chatting with a glorified accountant who's seen an internet poll.
 
When the thread was started it was a valid point. And at the time most of us respected the manager. I think we can now see what the problem was
 
Livvie said:
When the thread was started it was a valid point. And at the time most of us respected the manager. I think we can now see what the problem was
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It was never a valid point. Pogba had won 4/4 league titles and grew to be one of Juventus' most instrumental players in their league wins by the time he left.
 
Livvie said:
When the thread was started it was a valid point. And at the time most of us respected the manager. I think we can now see what the problem was
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I don't see how the manager comes into this at all. Pogba has won trophies galore and got into UCL team of the season. This thread is one of those football fan things that comes from nothing because that's all fans are good at (chatting shite just to give an opinion).

This was never a valid point because one player does not win anything in this game. Lucas Vasquez has won 3 champions leagues in a row, and he's a discount Lingard.
 
We can forgive the OP as to be fair, Pogba was most of what the OP described but we now have people on the CAF who was on he's back now saying "he's the best midfielder in the world" and have forgot about just a few months ago when they wanted him sold in the January window.
 
Will Singh said:
We can forgive the OP as to be fair, Pogba was most of what the OP described but we now have people on the CAF who was on he's back now saying "he's the best midfielder in the world" and have forgot about just a few months ago when they wanted him sold in the January window.
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Reason I was so pissed off with him was because I didn't think he was a no.10. In the games he played there under Jose he didn't score any goals and didn't get in the box enough. To me it seemed obvious therefore that he needed to knuckle down and make that box to box CM role his own (where I still believe he's best in the world with the right attitude). Which he wasn't prepared to do. Which is fairer than I gave him credit for given how good he's been in attack under Ole, he actually has been worth having people to do his dirty work for him rather than just a luxury we can't afford.
 
Funny to see how many people when proved totally wrong say "well it was right at the time!"

No, it wasn't. Not everyone is a short sighted reactionary. I always thought Pogba, Martial, Rashford, Matic and Lindelof would improve massively if Jose was sacked. I always thought Lukaku, even during his first season wasn't the right player for United. It's possible to use your brain instead of basing your opinions purely on the last few games of football under a crap manager.

I'm also happy to admit when I was wrong: I thought Sanchez would be a great success.
 
Will Singh said:
We can forgive the OP as to be fair, Pogba was most of what the OP described but we now have people on the CAF who was on he's back now saying "he's the best midfielder in the world" and have forgot about just a few months ago when they wanted him sold in the January window.
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I assume this was directed at me and the thread I made.

I always maintained Pogba was an incredible player, and never wanted him sold. I criticised him for his general attitude at certain times under Jose, and I still feel he was right to do so.
 
Woah, I've been overseas for a while. We've won the league? When is the parade? Congratulations Ole!
 
Massive Spanner said:
To be fair, technically there's still a reasonable chance of the Op being right.
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That's true. But the OP isn't right if we take it as saying that we can't win the league with Pogba. Given that he won so much with Juve and France, there isn't any reason why we could not win anything big with him.
 
Treble said:
That's true. But the OP isn't right if we take it as saying that we can't win the league with Pogba. Given that he won so much with Juve and France, there isn't any reason why we could not win anything big with him.
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It was more a joke than anything. Obviously not winning the league will likely have nothing to do with Pogba, unless he does a Slippy G.
 
ivaldo said:
I assume this was directed at me and the thread I made.

I always maintained Pogba was an incredible player, and never wanted him sold. I criticised him for his general attitude at certain times under Jose, and I still feel he was right to do so.
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It wasn't directed at no one in particular but I did see your thead, it's a general observation of how people change when we are winning. On he's day Pogba is the "best in the world" but has a long way to go as now PSG didn't give him any space other teams will look at the and do the same. Now Pogba has to proof he can lose he's man marker and still create and score.
 
TwoSheds said:
Reason I was so pissed off with him was because I didn't think he was a no.10. In the games he played there under Jose he didn't score any goals and didn't get in the box enough. To me it seemed obvious therefore that he needed to knuckle down and make that box to box CM role his own (where I still believe he's best in the world with the right attitude). Which he wasn't prepared to do. Which is fairer than I gave him credit for given how good he's been in attack under Ole, he actually has been worth having people to do his dirty work for him rather than just a luxury we can't afford.
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He barely played CAM under Mourinho and with little movements from the strikers/wingers...

But with Allegri he showed that he can play as an AM.

Only Mourinho's fans thought that he couldn't play in this position because they dreamed to turn Pogba into a DM. He's tall and black after all...

Wasted 2 years and half with this nonsense.
 
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Will Singh said:
It wasn't directed at no one in particular but I did see your thead, it's a general observation of how people change when we are winning. On he's day Pogba is the "best in the world" but has a long way to go as now PSG didn't give him any space other teams will look at the and do the same. Now Pogba has to proof he can lose he's man marker and still create and score.
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Or maybe the others players around him should step up.

I thought that Herrera was more than a water carrier... It's his chance to show us his greatness ;)

You don't man mark a top team because if you only focus on the best player, the opponent will punish you.
 
BAMSOLA said:
This would be a much better thread bump after we actually have won a league title with Paul Pogba in the team.

Just saying.
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we will bump it again . this first bump was just to show how wrong certain peoples were in their assessment of Pogba.
 
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