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We will never win the league with Paul Pogba in the team
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He has all the talent in the world, but his application at times is criminal.
If Pep had hair, he'd be pulling it out with Pogba in his midfield.
Yeah 11 goals and 9 assists CAM is the biggest problem of United
Who said he was the biggest problem?
Your hyperbole is just as bad as everyone else.
Yeah 11 goals and 9 assists CAM is the biggest problem of United
His output in terms of goals and assists can't be forgotten, but his attitude on the pitch is criminal at times. He's just meandering around seemingly not giving a shit.
Yeah 11 goals and 9 assists CAM is the biggest problem of United
6 of those goals were penalties.
Think he also missed 3 of those.
I think this would apply to most players but not Sancho. He was celebrating Rashford's goal against PSG.
Higuain is utter shite, tbf.
Anybody find the dangleberry crew swinging in off his nuts and arguing against even the most minute comment of negativity and making snide remarks cringey as all feck? "hue hue 11 goals n 9 assists! HUE HUE" It's proper cringeworthy.
legit? I mean I haven't checked the stats, nor do I really care to but it doesn't take much to think back to this season for Pogba and see it has been really poor for him, even for his high standards. It just seems he has zero consequences beyond the 90 minutes of football. With 30m followers on social media and a crew of people who will take up arms all the time and derail any discussion about him. It's weird, I guess this is just the age we live in.
legit? I mean I haven't checked the stats, nor do I really care to but it doesn't take much to think back to this season for Pogba and see it has been really poor for him, even for his high standards. It just seems he has zero consequences beyond the 90 minutes of football. With 30m followers on social media and a crew of people who will take up arms all the time and derail any discussion about him. It's weird, I guess this is just the age we live in.Yeah 11 goals and 9 assists CAM is the biggest problem of United
Ozil had similar numbers too in the past. The problem is the way we play football needs midfield controllers in the middle of the pitch and without having that balance in the middle we will never be a title-winning team. The supporters were quick to put pressure on the club to hire as a permanent manager and as far as we can see, he is not going to be a possession based manager who would like to control matches with the ball, rather than be a manager who likes to play more direct and quick with the ball, and when we lose the ball we need midfield controllers to maintain that control by being at the right place at right time and press effectively to break up the play, which we struggle at with pogba.
I can only see us consistent with pogba in the middle when he is played at no10 position behind 2 midfield controllers who can play make as well as break the opponents play and sheild the defense as well like Juventus had with pirlo and vidal who made up for pogba's cluelessness without the ball.
And if we don't get that balance right, we are never going to as consistent as we should be with pogba playing as a Cm or left side of midfield 3. He is very up and down when played there and you never know what pogba will turn up on that day as opponents who work harder than him tend to easily reduce his effectiveness in the middle.
Also competition is needed for pogba to keep him on his toes, his casual attitude won't ever make us champions if we solely rely on him to create throughout the season.
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This. As much I was disappointed with him on Tuesday, the idea that he shouldn't be central to our next few years feels bizarre.
Why are people excusing him for his output? Someone like Rom, who has scored almost 40 goals since signing, get's criticised regardless of his decent output. Yet all we've ever heard with Pogba is a lame number of excuses.
Argee, Pogba needs workhorses like, Vidal, Kante, Matuidi and Herrera next to him and another creative force like Pirlo, Griezeman. Atm he's a luxury/icing on the cake type player. Without a solid DM and another quality CM/CAM (which we don't have) with him he's ineffective and cant dictate the game on his own.
If every player in the team was as good as Pogba, we would win the league. So clearly Pogba isn't the issue.
But yes, clearly the solution is to sell him and buy someone inferior because then we will win the league.
But yes, clearly the solution is to sell him and buy someone inferior because then we will win the league.
It’s mental, isn’t it? Absolutely fecking bat shit.
I'm a huge fan of Pogba but he's so inconsistent we have to be honest. Yes I agree he's got some garbage around him. But lets say we had 1 of KDB/Erikson/Verratti in our MF do you think any of those 3 would put in some of the shambolic performances we've seen from Pogs? You always get a certain level with those guys even if others around them are having a mare..If every player in the team was as good as Pogba, we would win the league. So clearly Pogba isn't the issue.
But yes, clearly the solution is to sell him and buy someone inferior because then we will win the league.
You see that's the thing that bothers me, Pirlo couldn't and has never dictated the game on his own and he most definitely needed and played alongside workhorses during the best period of his career.
I'm confused by the way people see certain players, it's as if they are judged in a totally different realm, football isn't the NBA one player isn't that determinant.
still more than the entire Liverpool midfielders combined.
Who does dictate on their own in modern football? Even Messi drops a level when he's with the national team and away from his usual supporting cast. It's daft to expect Pogba to be Lothar Matthaus and Michel Platini rolled in one.
Gone are the days of a one man midfield. The likes of Roy Keane were the last ones to do it and they couldn't manage it in modern football, the game has evolved into a collection of specialists instead of a couple of all rounders.
If every player in the team was as good as Pogba, we would win the league. So clearly Pogba isn't the issue.
But yes, clearly the solution is to sell him and buy someone inferior because then we will win the league.
There are two aspects to football, what you do with the ball and what you do without the ball, and both are equally important to be a consistent top class effective player who team can be dependent upon week in week out.
I have heard arguments from Barcelona and anti Ronaldo fans that he is a tap in merchant and not as good as messi with the ball at his feet, while completely ignoring the fact that he is still effective as messi due to the fact that his off the ball attacking runs, positioning finishing and his drive to make a difference is what makes him effective and that side of the game is equally important in football.
So while what pogba brings with the ball is important same way what he doesn't bring without the ball which keeps him away from as effective as he should be is also a point which is important, and if posters highlight this issue which keeps him from being consistent than this argument actually holds water. We are not a possession based team who controls the game with the ball and recover it quickly in a high press and this that we can not neglect the players switching off without the ball deficiencies in their game, this is where players become ineffective in the way we play football which exactly happens in the case of pogba.
Although I don't entirely agree with the OP, you can't say it's one bad game now can you? He's had plenty. And that's worrying.
Although I don't entirely agree with the OP, you can't say it's one bad game now can you? He's had plenty. And that's worrying.
Exactly and even all rounders like Keane weren't doing it on their own. The tactical setups were different and in the 442 era, LM and RM were actual midfielders who shared all the midfield duties with the CMs. But even if we ignore the distant past, Pirlo at Milan or Juventus was surrounded by workhorses and playmakers/game managers, he was sharing all the tasks with the likes of Rui Costa, Gattuso, Kaka, Seedorf, Vidal, Marchisio and Pogba.
People expect too much from Pogba and this is one of the main reasons why so many fans are dissatisfied with him. He is generally a highly talented footballer but he is no Zidane: nowhere near that level of quality. Maybe he isn't sufficiently focused and his descision making isn't exactly brilliant. Btw, Martial has similar problems. Both lack consistency and their work rate in the defensive phase of the game is a bit suspect.
Pogba is very obviously not our biggest problem, but it's also true to say that he is never likely to be the most consistent of players.
Have him in the side, but don't rely on him to be the sole source of all creativity, because when he has an off day (and he'll have many), the entire structure of the team breaks down.
Juventus had a structure that was able to compensate for his shortcomings. We should have built something similar three years ago.
Have him in the side, but don't rely on him to be the sole source of all creativity, because when he has an off day (and he'll have many), the entire structure of the team breaks down.
Juventus had a structure that was able to compensate for his shortcomings. We should have built something similar three years ago.
Erikson has been criticised recently by Spurs fans for being ineffective, until the previous game. KDB hasn't had a great season either, partly due to injury. Verratti I don't know as I don't watch PSG but no-one is perfect.
I agree that Pogba doesn't have a world class mentality to complement his talent, never said otherwise. But the thread isn't "Pogba isn't good enough to win a league on his own" is it? I think most of the criticism comes from the fact he is so expensive and likes social media, added to the Jose fans who cling to his every word. He is a midfielder who can carry the ball, score goal and create chances and the stats show he's done that well this season, despite the turmoil and getting dropped.
I still think he lacks maturity to some level. At 26 years old that is worrying. He's not consistent in either effort or performance. It's okay to have a poor game here or there but you've always have to be able to put in the effort.
None of what you just said supports the thread. No-one is saying he is perfect, he has flaws. As do all of our players, and basically all players ever in football. Doesn't mean we can't win the league with him in the team.
If every player in the team was as good as Pogba, we would win the league. So clearly Pogba isn't the issue.
But yes, clearly the solution is to sell him and buy someone inferior because then we will win the league.
If we had 11 Pogba's we'd win a third of our games 8-0 and lose nearly all of the others, if we're being honest. His good performances and bad performances are worlds apart, and he's only our best player when he plays well. Something which seems completely lost on a lot of people.
Pep would never have pogba in his team. See yaya Toure as an example. Pep is only interested in players who can play and can put in a shift, pogba cannot consistently play and never puts in a shift.
Pogba is a one in four man who will only pull this team down. Not sure he will fare better elsewhere and whether any top team would want him. Zidane, is probably the only man who could get through his knuckle head.
Rashford wouldn't start for Chelsea? They've had to bring in a fat person on loan just to be able to start anyone at all in his position.
Agree on this.
I said we will not be consistent enough when other teams have higher standards, that's not enough to win the league in this competition. Also being overdependent on one player is another issue we will face in a title race with higher standards.
Didn't he score most of those goals just after Mourinho left?
I think he was more interested in proving Jose was the prick than any other thing. Now that the point has been made, he's now back to his highly talented but inconsistent self.
It's not about expecting him to run the middle of the park by himself. It's about a) consistency and bottom level and b) what/who we need to upgrade before he can be part of a genuine top class setup at United.
You don't decide which one of your players is the best, individually, and then commit yourself to keeping him at all costs. You look at the bigger picture, always. *
* Before anyone jumps on me, I have no reason to believe OGS isn't fully aware of this. I trust him to make the right call with regard to this.
You don't decide which one of your players is the best, individually, and then commit yourself to keeping him at all costs. You look at the bigger picture, always. *
* Before anyone jumps on me, I have no reason to believe OGS isn't fully aware of this. I trust him to make the right call with regard to this.
Errrm. Aren’t we less likely to win the league with Young, Valencia, Rojo, Darmian, Jones in the team. Pogba is if anything likely be the one to drag us to a title.
Yeah 11 goals and 9 assists CAM is the biggest problem of United
Moving the goalposts all over the place here. The sign of somebody on the wrong end of a debate.
The rest will be replaced, if they haven't already been. No point bringing them into this. Pogba, on the other hand, is an issue. A very expensive one.
Well said.
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