But Rafael is?
We desperately need a right back
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But Rafael is?
Getting Alves at this stage is like paying the £40 million for Falcao. If we are gonna buy a right back let's at least buy one who won't be gassed by half time.
One that can score is well needed...
I thought Danilo looked decent for Porto tonight, in truth there aren't any really stand out options at RB in my view.
The engine and pace that were his biggest assets have dulled considerably.
How? We have Rooney and a rookie in Wilson, RvP and Falcao are shot and Rooney is not going to be used as the pure #9, he'll be in his favoured #10 role so he can also drop in when we don't have the ball and help out the midfield. We need a striker to play as the #9 in front of Wayne.
The engine and pace that were his biggest assets have dulled considerably.
How? We have Rooney and a rookie in Wilson, RvP and Falcao are shot and Rooney is not going to be used as the pure #9, he'll be in his favoured #10 role so he can also drop in when we don't have the ball and help out the midfield. We need a striker to play as the #9 in front of Wayne.
We've seen outstanding play from Rafael in the past. He's entering his prime years and I really don't see a good reason why he shouldn't be given one more chance to prove himself this season. If he picks up another injury, so be it and we're done with the samba boy. But if he can give us a run of 6-8 games at the required level we'd be crazy to cut him loose.
Picking up on a point made above, we really do need to start thinking about a new 9. Falcao is shot, RvP is in decline, Roo really is a 10 now and it's too early in Wilson's career to adorn him with the 9 shirt. Even if we brought Chicharito back, we're going to need a new 9.
Picking up on a point made above, we really do need to start thinking about a new 9. Falcao is shot, RvP is in decline, Roo really is a 10 now and it's too early in Wilson's career to adorn him with the 9 shirt. Even if we brought Chicharito back, we're going to need a new 9.
If we stop dicking around with this 2 striker bull crap and revert to a 4-3-3, we could do with Rooney, RvP as the strikers with Wilson taking cup games off them. With champions league football, league and cups there's adequate games to keep all 3 happy. If necessary keep Hernandez as the 4th choice unless you get a good offer for him. You can't just buy everything in one window especially considering only our left back is the nailed on starter for us in the future in defense and we need to buy a winger/box to box midfielder to go with. We just have to improvise with the striker situation and we have enough quality for it.
We don't, RvP is completely spent and in 4-3-3 Rooney would most likely play as the #10, LvG is not going to waste his workrate and drive playing as a #9. Basically Rooney is the only proven forward we can rely on, if you are implying we can't afford it then I'd rather trust Valencia at RB and bring Nani back for the wing than trust RvP as the striker.
When he is fit yes he is.
Hes been fit for a couple of months and hasn't been playing.
Personally i agree with you but its blatantly obvious van gaal doesn't.
RvP is not spent, that's absolute bollocks.
No, it's the truth, his legs have gone, he slows everything down and doesn't work nearly hard enough. If we are smart we'll get some cash from a Serie A team for him.
He averages around 17 games a season good for a back up not for a starter. Plus I think LVG prefers Valencia.
I'm the type whom watches Barcelona fairly reguarly, and I WAS a huge fan of Alves, but right now I wouldn't want him coming to United, it's not even this season alone his forms dipped, I'd say really over the last 3 or so years he's been fading, sure he'd come on a free, but his contract would be rather large, we should focus on younger players with fire in their belly as Sir Alex would say.
If not I'd rather just stick with Valencia for now, and spend the money on a key position.
If not I'd rather just stick with Valencia for now, and spend the money on a key position.
I agree with this entirely. The focus on strikers seems to have set into some fans from the Fergie era. Two-striker formations/systems are not used by (m)any of the top teams any more and with good cause.
I agree that we need a RB as a priority. Personally I would splash the cash on Coleman - proven top quality PL fullback. Otherwise I dont see that many good alternatives - Clyne is a good player but I dont feel he is ready to be our first choice FB anytime soon. As usual I see a load of "hot prospects" from Brazil or wherever being touted about but its time to remember that this isnt Football Manager and that just because someone looks good at another club doesnt make them a top prospect.
RVP isnt spent and if we are playing a 4-3-3 there is no #10.
I suggest Danilo from Porto
McNair has a future there
FFS really RVP spent?
Rafael is not good enough even when he is at his 100%
Personally I think it's the least of our problems. Rafael is decent, no Neville but he's good enough in my eyes and McNair is already looking like our long-term solution there, and I think a signing would instantly see him struggling for any game time, which I don't like the thought of.
As for Valencia, no.
As for Valencia, no.
McNair has played 2 games there against Cambridge and Burnley, so I wouldn't say he's looking like a long term solution yet. His positioning was pretty terrible in the first half against Burnley, looks promising overall but I still think we need someone else there.
Rafael is not even an option it seems. He’s been fit for a while, when was the last time he played?
It’s all about Valencia vs McNair now. I have big hopes for the latter, I don’t enjoy watching Tony’s crossing.
Yes, I agree. But Valencia improved in that matter in the last few months so I hope to see the same progress for McNair.
We're you aware of how good carvajal before he joined madrid? Because most people weren't and he's been class for them
Yes he is and if you want to call it #10 or AM basically that is the role Rooney would play if we play 4-3-3, not the #9 role.
Yes, just like Torres and Shevchenko and Falcao, the legs have gone.
No I'd never really heard of him, but it's hard to get enthusiastic about a player that you don't even know exists, signing Clyne or Coleman for instance wouldn't interest me, but maybe LvG will dig up a gem like Carvajal, I just don't think it's essential.
The Mail have thrown Kyle Walker on the pile. 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...an-Gaal-eyes-summer-Tottenham-right-back.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...an-Gaal-eyes-summer-Tottenham-right-back.html
No he isnt, and in a traditional 4-3-3 you play with a DM, two CMs, two wingers and a striker. As I said before, there is no #10.
This is a thread about right backs you planks. Not RvP.
Are you saying you don't think he can play RB?!
I'll be interested to see how Fabinho does against Arsenal. He's a player we should be looking at considering he's not owned by Monaco yet (he's on loan).
He is, that's proven.
Of all the right backs touted, Clyne is the best of them. Coleman is better going forward but his defensive problems are usually overlooked. They do exist.
Well Madrid did since he came from their academy.
I'm not gonna do a yes vs no thing, as for 4-3-3, in a proper version one of the 3 midfielders is an AM/#10 and it's 3 versatile forwards rather than an actual pure #9 and two wingers, usually both players who start wide are inverted.
The worst rumour this seasonThe Mail have thrown Kyle Walker on the pile.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...an-Gaal-eyes-summer-Tottenham-right-back.html
True, Coleman has his defensive weaknesses. On the other hand, with a more defensive full back on our left side in Shaw maybe we should be looking for quite an attacking RB?
I'd buy Clyne and keep Rafael. That way we have a (hopefully) dependent RB in Clyne and an arguably better though less reliable (injury-wise) RB in Rafael.
Naturally, in an ideal world Rafa would be fit all year round. However, as much as I/we love him, it is becoming increasingly obvious that him remaining fit is a complete pipe-dream.
Naturally, in an ideal world Rafa would be fit all year round. However, as much as I/we love him, it is becoming increasingly obvious that him remaining fit is a complete pipe-dream.
I'd probably agree with this. Clyne is basically Shaw but with less pace and better crossing ability (at least at the moment, though there is the age difference).
In my opinion they're the two Southampton players most destined to make it at big clubs and for years to come; so if you got both you'd be doing great out of it. Schneiderlin's an energy player, but Clyne and Shaw both seem to have the Ashley Cole gene about their full back play.
Shut down both wings and force teams to try and go through Blind, Rojo and Smalling through the centre. A lot less work needed from De Gea and you can start throwing more attacking options forward.
Id sell Rafa because his injury record suggests that when we need him, he wouldnt be fit.
I'd buy Clyne and keep Valencia as a RB/RW backup.
Fair point. It depends what Van Gaal is looking for. Personally, I'd rather our full backs defend really well and keep it tight. I'd take two Luke Shaw's, to be honest.
Clyne is no slouch going forward in his defence. I like the look of him so far this season.
Regretfully, this looks the most likely - and sensible - scenario. Rafa isn't getting a look in these days and his days appear to be numbered.
Clyne and Valencia are good right back options.
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