Rafael and Valencia are enough. We should only be going into the market if one is leaving.
We desperately need a right back
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He probably did, but only because the expectations were so low. We definitely need better than him.
I would be very surprised if Rafael is here next season.
LVG doesn't fancy him at all. He might just give him away like we did with Fabio.
This will be a weakness in our first team that still won't get addressed by the looks of it. Been a weakness ever since the start of 2013/2014 season. Sigh.
Valencia isn't a good enough right back for Manchester United. I really dread to see how we fare against CL opposition with him playing there.
I can't really understand why people didn't want Clyne as he would've been a definite upgrade on Valencia, and well, if you can't see that, you're deluded beyond belief. Good player for a sensible fee with resale value as well but the Pool have got his hands on him. We can only hope we're looking at someone better because if we're not, we're fecked.
I really hope this problem position is sorted out before the beginning of this season but something tells me it won't.
I can't really understand why people didn't want Clyne as he would've been a definite upgrade on Valencia, and well, if you can't see that, you're deluded beyond belief. Good player for a sensible fee with resale value as well but the Pool have got his hands on him. We can only hope we're looking at someone better because if we're not, we're fecked.
I really hope this problem position is sorted out before the beginning of this season but something tells me it won't.
Last rumour links us with Van Der Wiel.... I would rather have Valencia 10 seasons, keeping Rafael without legs, having Jones and Mc Nair there rather than Van Der Wiel
This guy is so poor, if he really comes to us, that would mean that we're reallllllly desperate and really really really bad
This guy is so poor, if he really comes to us, that would mean that we're reallllllly desperate and really really really bad
Fair enough. He had a better season than both Coleman and Clyne
Please no. Let City get him, I think he'd flop in England. He's nothing special.
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Can you back that up?
I've watched a fair few Southampton games in the last couple of weeks and I don't see how Clyne is "a definite upgrade".
Had a look at the stats on Squawka as well. Valencia made more passes with a much higher pass completion rate, he made more key passes, more assists and created more chances. Valencia won more, and lost less tackles, he took on more players successfully, won more aerial duels and made more blocks. In fact, the only relevant statistic I can see where Clyne had the upper hand was on clearances. 2.8 a game compared to Valencia's 2.
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m...ptions/blocks/clearances/defensive_errors#avg
Stats aren't everything, but that many and by those margins is compelling. Particularly when like I said, I've been watching games with the sole intention of looking at Clyne and Schneiderlin and can't see why there is so much hype around Clyne.
Back what up? Mate, anyone with a pair of eye balls would rather have Clyne as right back ahead of Valencia. A lot of people with rose tinted glasses on here though.
He had a dip in form towards the end of the season after he wouldn't sign a new contract and was getting linked with us every other week. Other than that, he's a very good young player. I can only assume you've watched those games towards the end of the season as his superiority over Valencia is clear. He's also... you know... an actual right back.
Agree. I like Dutch people at United even if they arent world class (like Blind) but i dont want van der Wiel. I never rated him. Deep down i think he just plays football for the money and he would have prefered to become a rapper.
Like Thierry Henry was actually a winger? Or Gareth Bale is actually a left back? Players positions change and Valencia is a much better option at right back than he is on the wing.
Which is besides the point that nobody is looking at Valencia through rose tinted glasses. The majority of us accept that he isn't good enough to start at right back for this club. We just don't think Clyne is either. I feel many are looking through "greener grass glasses" and rating a player from another club based on highlight reels.
I watched Southampton games against Liverpool, West Ham and Spurs from earlier in the season. Then against City, Chelsea and us (twice) in the middle of the year and Everton, Spurs and City later in the season. He's not a bad player. In fact £12million to a Europa League places challenging club like Liverpool sounds about right.
He's just not good enough to improve our squad and he's certainly not so much better than Valencia to be calling people deluded.
A crocked player and an average winger
He made too many (costly) mistakes imo. We certainly need a much better first team option at RB
Yeah. More or less.
What it all comes down to, however, is how LVG regards the crock. Rafael isn't considerably worse than the most talked-about replacements ideally. I really don't think so. But he is a crock. And we don't know how LVG rates him. If he thinks Rafael is alright, apart from the injuries, then by all means - give him another chance.
If, however, LVG thinks Valencia is a plausible starter at RB for a top team - well, I'm bold enough to question his judgment. He's a squad man. A good one at that. But he bloody well ain't a top class RB, even in today's market.
Just saw that in the twitter thread, we aren't that desperate, complete junk player.
Hmm, interesting. Varela's generally looked a decent prospect since joining us (certainly with more to his game than Janko), but something about that Castilla loan seemed to suggest we'd decided to get rid, or he'd decided to bail.
I have to confess I haven't seen a single game he's played for them. Anyone seen enough to comment on his season?
I have to confess I haven't seen a single game he's played for them. Anyone seen enough to comment on his season?
Odd, I thought he was a certainty to leave us and join Real. I was a fan of his and was gutted to see him loaned off, but LVG can't have seen enough of him to warrant dropping our search for a RB...
If I've ever seen a reason to disregard most stats this is it. "Can you back up that Clyne is better than Valencia". Jesus wept.
Is correct.
This article is shite. Its based on nothing other than the site listing every player that is contracted to the club. van Gaal didn't personally list these players and that isn't the pre-season squad. This means absolutely nothing in regards to Varela.
Yes because actually watching players and then making comparisons like; who made more tackles, won more aerial duels or created more chances, is all irrelevant in the face of blind rhetoric, groupthink and witty put downs. Well constructed argument sir.
It's a simple argument, nobody with any relevant understanding could have watched both players regularly last year and decided that Clyne isn't an upgrade on Valencia.
You are quite correct in that an argument, repeated without any reason or reference is a simple one.
I wonder how much Galatasary would want for this man!
Better than that, he's on a free. He will be a perfect low risk, high reward signing.
City can have Nasri
Chelsea can have Fabregas
You can even have van Persie.... but you can never ever have Eboue!
Do we think that Van Gaal has decided to stick with Valencia and Rafael / McNair as back up? We see, to have passed up the chance to get Clyne and there are no rumours about us and right backs at the moment.
Well that escalated quickly. Right back position sorted. To the Schneiderlin thread!
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