Worry not my friend .... Ronaldo is coming
We are lacking that Star man/Match winner!
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran discuss a horrific month of December and a depressing FOUR defeats in a row - the latest coming against Wolves and Newcastle.
They discuss how much blame is on Ruben Amorim and rank our squad against other Premier League teams.
Do we have any chance of avoiding defeat at Anfield?
Exactly this
This made me chuckle
"Let the children lose it" might be appropriate as well
Excellent point.I think LVG is trying to mould us into the San Antonio Spurs of Football. I.e a team with minimal egos, moving the ball around efficiently and everyone contributing to the success, not just having an MVP carry us through moments of brilliance.
Memphis isn't even guaranteed to start, strange to see so many putting him down for the star of the team without him having kicked a ball in the PL.
Specially when we have players like Mata (best player for a top team in the PL for two years running where he won them games day in day out) and Di Maria (world class performances in the best team in the world at the time) who are way more likely to be that go to guy.
New signing excitement is what I put it down to.
Specially when we have players like Mata (best player for a top team in the PL for two years running where he won them games day in day out) and Di Maria (world class performances in the best team in the world at the time) who are way more likely to be that go to guy.
New signing excitement is what I put it down to.
If thats the case then I'm all for it!
It seems everyone has pinned all their hopes on a 20 year in being our problem solver for everything.
I'm sure he'll contribute in those areas this season. He looks a confident and talented player but I wouldn't expect him in right the now to be the player we were looking for in Hazard or thought we had in Di Maria, or indeed had in 2009 with Rooney.
I think we do need that one Sanchez, hazard type attacker at united.
I'm sure he'll contribute in those areas this season. He looks a confident and talented player but I wouldn't expect him in right the now to be the player we were looking for in Hazard or thought we had in Di Maria, or indeed had in 2009 with Rooney.
I think we do need that one Sanchez, hazard type attacker at united.
What the feck kind of thread is this? Only on a United forum do you get people moaning about anything and everything even after signing such brilliant players and addressing all the key weaknesses in the squad in one window. No offence but feck you if you think your squad doesn't have a matchwinner.
In case you didn't know who your matchwinners were, allow me to remind you. Rooney is a matchwinner - feck knows how many fecking times he's scored in decisive moments. De Gea is a matchwinner - goalkeepers rarely get the credit they deserve. The new signings - I am sure one of them will be produce moments of magic. My bet would be on Bastian. Then you have Mata and Herrera who can both be sublime on their day.
Every top squad does not rely on their matchwinners. It relies on players stepping up when it counts the most. I think you lot have more than enough of those players.
If I see one more moaning thread like this I swear I will explode.
Or this season it could be a combination of match winners. In the 1998/99 I think we had a variety of match winners, seems everyone is obsessed with having a one man show like we had with ronaldo, or perhaps some do not see the bigger picture, that DDG, schweinsteiger, herrera, mata, depay, Di Maria, fellaini, rooney, and a few others could all combine to be united's match winner, that we wont be relying on one to do it all. I never liked united pinning their hopes on one guy like we had with ronaldo, would rather we had different players doing it. Germany and spain never had that one match winner, it was the team that did it, not this one individual
Quality post!
Arsenal fan needs to talk sense in this forum cause its batshit crazy right now.
How many so called 'match winners' did Atletico have in 2014, how many Borussia when they were champions of Germany and in CL final or Germany for that matter when they won the WC.
I highlighted that, and spain never had this so called match winner. Only from the minds of seeing what ronaldo done, people think we need that. United in the 1998/99 season had a variety of match winners, but they were a team. And that is what I want from united, the team being the match winner not this fantasy we need a talisman
Exactly. We need a functioning team which plays well and wins games, if we have or will have that it doesnt matter if we wont have those match winners or stars. One day a match winner is Mata, the other Rooney, 3rd day Memphis, if team functions well many players can win games.
Memphis will become this player IMO. Has it all to, and the right attitude to become a top player and I think he'll be an instant success.
I look at the current team, on paper, it looks terrifying. I do not see many teams getting the better of our current midfield, we ripped city apart with carrick, herrera, mata, fellaini and young in midfield, imagine what we could do with what we have now? I would not want united relying on someone to do it all, in DDG, bastian, herrera, mata, di maria, depay, fellaini, rooney, there is some pretty tasty players. Roy keane never scored 30 a season, he was a match winner. If the team functions, dove tails how VG wants, there is the match winner.
Has it stands in the squad in terms of a starting 11, its looking like this
-------------------------DDG--------------
Darmian/valencia smalling ?? shaw/blind
-------------------Bastian/Carrick----------
------------Schneiderlin---Herrera---------
---Depay-------------rooney---------mata-??--
At most I say a defender, possibly looking at the GK if we cannot keep DDG, and the striker situation. Has a team, there is huge potential on what they could do. If it gels, a midfield of Bastian, Schneiderlin, herrera, mata and depay sounds pretty exciting to me if it gels. Bastian has the anchor man, schneiderlin has the guy that could break up play but can do more in terms of pressing, herrera being the creative force in terms of those eye of the needle passes, and he can also press teams and having both do it is very promising, mata scoring goals and having mata and herrera creating the triangle passing game has a partnership which VG wants, and depay giving us the acceleration to give us the cutting edge to stretch teams. So I say this squad is more built towards playing has a team, than needing to rely on a individual
Bale would have been this player but he's a twat.
There isn't one out there and available right now it seems.
There isn't one out there and available right now it seems.
This guy would be perfect however, I have heard his buyout clause is over 70 million.
Some good points regarding the match winners in 98/99 bit. We had a number of players who could come up match winning moments which imo is what we should aim for rather than pinging our hopes on a single player to save us time and time again. Under Moyes we were a bit prone to that. There were games where we were always giving the ball to Januzaj hoping he produces something since he was the only player who was capable of beating his man time and time again and delivering a quality.
Rooney, Mata, Herrara, Memphis and Di Maria(assuming he stays) have all shown that they're capable of coming up with a bit of magic in not so distant past and that is good enough. As mentioned we need to create the perfect balance in our team rather than opting to rely on an individual.
Rooney, Mata, Herrara, Memphis and Di Maria(assuming he stays) have all shown that they're capable of coming up with a bit of magic in not so distant past and that is good enough. As mentioned we need to create the perfect balance in our team rather than opting to rely on an individual.
We bought ADM to be that man but he cannot find his feet in the EPL but I think Memphis will get there eventually
Memphis has the potential to be that game winning player but is still unproven in the premier league so who knows but he's our best shout for a game winner.
We do need an established player much like Sanchez, Aguero, hazard and suarez (when he was a at the dippers still).
We do need an established player much like Sanchez, Aguero, hazard and suarez (when he was a at the dippers still).
Exactly this.
He can, but he is too inconsistent. He has long baron spells and then explodes into life with a serious run of form. Very frustrating.
Sadly not good enough. Every successful team in the history of football has had at least one star player that can produce moments of brilliance.
True, and that might well be the case. But there is still something that tells me that given a consistent run as a striker, Rooney might still deliver the goods.
Also, he is a very passionate player and generally plays pretty well against top teams. If he can get us a few goals in those matches playing up top, then I feel we have the firepower to go past the rest of the clubs.
Only if he gets over his suspensions and injuries issues. He is a top class player and he is my first choice striker, just wish he was more consistent. I dont see him as an out and out striker anyway, he is more of a creator that also chips in with a decent tally of goals.
Our current squad has a few of them.
Yeah but how long ago was it that he was allowed to play up front for a consistent run of games? 2-3 seasons?. Kind of hard to do what your best at when 3 different managers have used him as a utility player to cover weaknesses elsewhere.
It think it is purely the "shiny new signing" syndrome.
We already have Di Maria, who also operates on the left hand side, who is at least 1-2 levels above Memphis.
And Di Maria isn't even our No.1 left sided player - Ashley Young is.
As someone else stated though, I dont think we will have an MVP....more like a well-drilled team who can perform well together. This is what LVG is aiming for. This happened at Ajax and I think at Barcelona as well.
Now, if 1 or 2 players happen to stumble into irresistible form, well, thats a bonus.
He may not start right away but there is a reason why we secured him before the transfer window even opened. LVG has worked with Memphis and he signed him with the expectation that he's going to be a major player here. That he'll have to prove, but he's been purchased to have an immediate impact. I think he has those abilities.
We got more individual players capable of scoring goals, than the double winning squad of 2007/08 season
was going to be di maria
thread confirmed by Louis van Gaal
Who is there though at that Galactico level?
So, LVG has pretty much agreed with this whole thread
Only three attackers I can think of (that might be persuaded to leave) are Reus, Muller and Bale. Actually, you can rule out Muller, no chance that will happen.
Well then
Well, it's not anything new that we need a match-winner, Chelsea have Hazard, City Aguero and Arsenal Sanchez. Memphis has potential, but that is all right now, he is a young guy.
Can't see who is available right now though, maybe Reus if we made a very good offer.
Can't see who is available right now though, maybe Reus if we made a very good offer.
congrats @BringNaniBack
Are you Louis Van Gaal in disguise?
Basically all our rivals have at least one world class attacking player, we have none.
Makes you wonder why the hell we pay Rooney that much money...