is this thread real or am I tripping...
We are lacking that Star man/Match winner!
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran discuss a horrific month of December and a depressing FOUR defeats in a row - the latest coming against Wolves and Newcastle.
They discuss how much blame is on Ruben Amorim and rank our squad against other Premier League teams.
Do we have any chance of avoiding defeat at Anfield?
Is that good enough for a 'match winner'?
Mata, Depay, Rooney(on his day), Fellaini (yes him, see last season), Herrera, Javier Hernandez(on his day), Angel Di Maria(done it throughout his career just needs to bring that form here consistently).
I agree. We were crying out for a match winner last season. Those times when we kept the ball well and got into good areas but didn't have that player to give us that moment of magic. I'm personally hoping Bale comes, but it seems very unlikely.
I think you all miss the point... What we need is a winning "philosophy"... star man doesn't matter here.
I agree we don't have that player where people say "how are they are they going to stop him this game"..when we play like Chelsea. Depay and even Di Maria are potentially that player.
He'd like to come and meet us but he thinks he'd blow our minds.
Yeah, kind of agree.
We have a lot of very good players and a fair few attackers who are capable of winning us games with individual moments of brilliance.
However, we don't really have a talisman to compare with Aguero, Hazard, Sanchez or Suarez when he was at Liverpool. Basically someone who can regularly carry us even when we're not really playing well.
Problem is there aren't that many players around who could do that for us. I guess that's part of why we were linked with Bale so much, at his best he's capable of having that sort of effect.
We have a lot of very good players and a fair few attackers who are capable of winning us games with individual moments of brilliance.
However, we don't really have a talisman to compare with Aguero, Hazard, Sanchez or Suarez when he was at Liverpool. Basically someone who can regularly carry us even when we're not really playing well.
Problem is there aren't that many players around who could do that for us. I guess that's part of why we were linked with Bale so much, at his best he's capable of having that sort of effect.
Rooney is definitely that kind of player. He can have a shit game but produce brilliance out of nowhere.
Mata gets no ratings
You mean people don't rate Mata? Yeah I don't know why. I mean for Chelsea he was regularly that kind of player. I don't think we lack a match winner, if anything we have plenty. We need consistency and a well oiled team.
Memphis is one of those players who can just magic something out of the blue. Too early for him? Not a bit of it - he will win us a lot of games this season.
he used to be
Rooney. He can still produce those moments of magic.
True, but enough of them? I have my doubts but I'm hoping to be convinced!
Before he was playing in midfield? I hope that's ended.
You think we lack someone with the X factor?
He is too used to "taking one for the team" since the last few seasons. He needs to get his selfishness back. The goal against Tottenham is still proof that he has got it in him to deliver those moments.
I feel (a tad optimistic) that this season is going to be Rooney's best in the last few years.
That goal vs tottenham is just pure luck. If you watch it you see how bad WR dribble is.
He lost a lot of attributes that he used to have. He basically changed his entire play style. The days of mr hot head rushing the goal is gone.
What the feck kind of thread is this? Only on a United forum do you get people moaning about anything and everything even after signing such brilliant players and addressing all the key weaknesses in the squad in one window. No offence but feck you if you think your squad doesn't have a matchwinner.
In case you didn't know who your matchwinners were, allow me to remind you. Rooney is a matchwinner - feck knows how many fecking times he's scored in decisive moments. De Gea is a matchwinner - goalkeepers rarely get the credit they deserve. The new signings - I am sure one of them will be produce moments of magic. My bet would be on Bastian. Then you have Mata and Herrera who can both be sublime on their day.
Every top squad does not rely on their matchwinners. It relies on players stepping up when it counts the most. I think you lot have more than enough of those players.
If I see one more moaning thread like this I swear I will explode.
In case you didn't know who your matchwinners were, allow me to remind you. Rooney is a matchwinner - feck knows how many fecking times he's scored in decisive moments. De Gea is a matchwinner - goalkeepers rarely get the credit they deserve. The new signings - I am sure one of them will be produce moments of magic. My bet would be on Bastian. Then you have Mata and Herrera who can both be sublime on their day.
Every top squad does not rely on their matchwinners. It relies on players stepping up when it counts the most. I think you lot have more than enough of those players.
If I see one more moaning thread like this I swear I will explode.
We do have that quality in Depay, Januzaj and Pereira. The issue is that we cannot bank on them to produce that consistently as they are young and inexperienced.
Among the more seasoned players, Young is the only player who has the ability to beat his man and get into good positions consistently; though, his delivery is so atrocious that he tends to destroy all his good work.
We need to buy someone to be what Robben was for VG at the world cup.
Among the more seasoned players, Young is the only player who has the ability to beat his man and get into good positions consistently; though, his delivery is so atrocious that he tends to destroy all his good work.
We need to buy someone to be what Robben was for VG at the world cup.
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Yeah, the ball just rolled passed 4 defenders and placed itself at the back of the net.
Rooney's run was quite good although yes, his dribbling wasn't at par with the best in the world. But that one moment brought back his intent and his selfishness that he was missing. Not many players in the PL (even with loads of luck) can do something like that.
People do seem to be ignoring that we have quite a few big game players in the squad. Yes, we don't have a top 3 player in the world up front but that doesn't mean we lack star quality.
Our stand-out Player clearly is AdM. He even shone beside Ronaldo.
Despite what some People say Rooney also still has it.
Despite what some People say Rooney also still has it.
You telling me now that rooney and full control of the ball and that his last direction change was planned to go through his legs? Like 9/10 times the defender wouldn't be such a tool to half stumble across the field and block the ball.
No, there was an element of luck involved for sure.
What I am trying to tell you is that between the position where Rooney picked up the ball and the final position in the net where it landed up to be, there was a lot of work to be done (irrespective of any defender errors) and not a lot of strikers in the PL would be able to do it.
There was no star man match winner during the treble season and we still won the lot. Actually I prefer it that way. It makes us more unpredictable and difficult to mark
United lacks a X-factor. I don't know about Depay, so I won't comment. There are lot of good names in the squad, technical players as well. But no X-factor like other teams. ADM was rarely used by LVG of late, so he doesn't count for me.
I wonder why Argentine/Brazilian players fail in United(?) Can anyone give me a rundown of United players from these countries in last decade?
I wonder why Argentine/Brazilian players fail in United(?) Can anyone give me a rundown of United players from these countries in last decade?
Arg: Veron, Gabi Heinze, Tevez, AdM, Rojo,
Bra: Kleberson, Anderson, Fabio + Rafael da Silva, may count Pereira
It has to be Rooney and if he can't produce it'll cement the idea that he can't be our main striker. We have a lot of creative talent behind him now so he has no excuse.
But then there's always Fellaini
But then there's always Fellaini
Cheers!
Who would you say worked best so far? Strange why they don't work out as good as in other clubs.
Did Germany have that superstar match winner? No. They played has a team and won has a team. And that is what we should be looking into, as the blueprint of our success
I think Memphis is the closest thing we have to that player.....and he's not even played a competitive game so who knows what he will produce - its too much to expect too much early on
I seriously think Herrera with 2 strong midfielders behind him could step up and score 10-15 as well - Mata could chip in more and who knows we might see a more dynamic Rooney (not confident) - there's not a lot of goals in our team - the key thing that LVG needs the team to start creating more chances - if we are doing this throughout the team we will score enough to make a challenge
With the worlds most dynamic players stockpiled at Barca, Madrid, Bayern there's slim pickings elsewhere (Aguero, Hazard, Silva, Sanchez)
its not like Chelsea were that dynamic last year - just well organised and relied on Hazard a lot - the team has to be the star and if we can play fast attacking football we will score the goals we need.....if we play with the pace we did last year we will just about get CL qualification again
I seriously think Herrera with 2 strong midfielders behind him could step up and score 10-15 as well - Mata could chip in more and who knows we might see a more dynamic Rooney (not confident) - there's not a lot of goals in our team - the key thing that LVG needs the team to start creating more chances - if we are doing this throughout the team we will score enough to make a challenge
With the worlds most dynamic players stockpiled at Barca, Madrid, Bayern there's slim pickings elsewhere (Aguero, Hazard, Silva, Sanchez)
its not like Chelsea were that dynamic last year - just well organised and relied on Hazard a lot - the team has to be the star and if we can play fast attacking football we will score the goals we need.....if we play with the pace we did last year we will just about get CL qualification again
AdM, Mata, Depay (unproven in EPL), Rooney.
Probably in that order i.t.o. "match winners".
We have enough of them to "share" the responsibility over the season but yeah, we don't have 1 who has consistently delivered when the chips are down. But there aren't that "consistent match winners" going around and available, are there?
Probably in that order i.t.o. "match winners".
We have enough of them to "share" the responsibility over the season but yeah, we don't have 1 who has consistently delivered when the chips are down. But there aren't that "consistent match winners" going around and available, are there?
Not really. We have an attacking player being paid £300k per week. It should undoubtedly be him.
What the feck kind of thread is this? Only on a United forum do you get people moaning about anything and everything even after signing such brilliant players and addressing all the key weaknesses in the squad in one window. No offence but feck you if you think your squad doesn't have a matchwinner.
In case you didn't know who your matchwinners were, allow me to remind you. Rooney is a matchwinner - feck knows how many fecking times he's scored in decisive moments. De Gea is a matchwinner - goalkeepers rarely get the credit they deserve. The new signings - I am sure one of them will be produce moments of magic. My bet would be on Bastian. Then you have Mata and Herrera who can both be sublime on their day.
Every top squad does not rely on their matchwinners. It relies on players stepping up when it counts the most. I think you lot have more than enough of those players.
If I see one more moaning thread like this I swear I will explode.
Great post. Some people are reluctant to admit it, but they want a big name attacker they can idolize. (And eventually blame if something goes wrong..)
Quality post!What the feck kind of thread is this? Only on a United forum do you get people moaning about anything and everything even after signing such brilliant players and addressing all the key weaknesses in the squad in one window. No offence but feck you if you think your squad doesn't have a matchwinner.
In case you didn't know who your matchwinners were, allow me to remind you. Rooney is a matchwinner - feck knows how many fecking times he's scored in decisive moments. De Gea is a matchwinner - goalkeepers rarely get the credit they deserve. The new signings - I am sure one of them will be produce moments of magic. My bet would be on Bastian. Then you have Mata and Herrera who can both be sublime on their day.
Every top squad does not rely on their matchwinners. It relies on players stepping up when it counts the most. I think you lot have more than enough of those players.
If I see one more moaning thread like this I swear I will explode.
Arsenal fan needs to talk sense in this forum cause its batshit crazy right now.
How many so called 'match winners' did Atletico have in 2014, how many Borussia when they were champions of Germany and in CL final or Germany for that matter when they won the WC.
This made me chuckleI would rather be in our current state and have a good team foundation with a group of very talented players than rely on one really outstanding individual.
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having 11 8-9/10s vs 1 10/10 and 10 6+/10s is much better imo.
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having 11 8-9/10s vs 1 10/10 and 10 6+/10s is much better imo.
Oy vey.
Tevez, though quite bitter towards the end