We are an awfully coached team

[AjaxCunian]

Christ. You want to purge the club of fans you dont agree with?

Thats more than a little worrying

I dont think it is a matter of disagreeing. Wouldn't say I want to purge Wumminator but Wumminator wanted to rather purge fans that we're critical during the 6-2 match. However he isn't big enough to come back on it, when clearly the criticisms were valid as we have seen the past few weeks.

 

[Red Company]

I disagree, I think he is spot on. Look at this club and the whole "Ole's at the weel". He did quite alright as interim-manager but even after the bounce, he bottled the opportunity to end top 4 by going on a poor streak vs poor opposition at the end of that season.

The football wasnt great throughout, but we had a nice bounce when he first joined. United and her fans don't spot that, that even his interim-time wasn't enough to give him the job. He didnt first bottle today, it started back then. Back then it should have been clear that yes we have some good results but it is unsustainable by the performance level.

Which has gone on to happen multiple times under his tenure but the fans keep getting fooled.

Even against Roma, 6-2, @Wumminator was mocking fans that criticised the general performance level of United. But ooooh, we win one match greatly and all of a sudden we are great, and other fans re-iterate that. We have shown after that 6-2 clearly that we are far from where we need to be. But this too, will be missed by a lot of fans.

"Just throw more money, we have had progress, it's a penalty shoot-out, among other rubbish".

Buddy, are you even listening? I’m so lost.

The conversation was between me and the arsenal fan and you somehow turned it into explaining to me the job Ole did? And also involved another poster by tagging him? I never even wanted to discuss Ole’s performances with you to begin with.

Im really not interested in your views about his tenure. You should have a different separate conversation with this other poster that you tagged privately without involving me. Cheers

 

[Giggsyking]

Christ. You want to purge the club of fans you dont agree with?

Thats more than a little worrying

I am just using Ole in fans logic. Ole critics was under constant ridicule and online bullying from Ole's fanboys (like the one i quoted) just for writing their own OPINIONS that they were entitled for about the manager whether it makes sense to you or not. Supporting blindly a mediocre manager on the expense of the club's success itself does not make you a better fan.

 

[Bobcat]

The tactics arent fine if you barely create anything I'd say.

The intent/desire to attack and take them on was alright. But tactically there is almost nothing to this team, Bielsa said it.

They defended in two banks all game, and as far as offensive firepower is concerned, we started with pretty much everyone we had available. There was no space in the middle so the only option really was to get it wide and what little we did create came from there.

If you only had to do X, Y and Z tactical move to overcome a parked bus then no one would bother to do the latter

In hindsight, Ole should have started with Fred/Donny and McTomminay in the middle, Pogba out left and Rashford on the bench as an impact sub, but other than that its not like we had loads of game changers on the bench

 

[Bobcat]

I am just using Ole in fans logic. Ole critics was under constant ridicule and online bullying from Ole's fanboys (like the one i quoted) just for writing their own OPINIONS that they were entitled for about the manager whether it makes sense to you or not. Supporting blindly a mediocre manager on the expense of the club's success itself does not make you a better fan.

So just because someone shares an opinion on something you will hold them accountable as well? I think i know which thread you are thinking of and while i dont really agree with calling out posters like that it was kinda funny seeing all the OTT reactions to a game we won 6-2.

It seems you've convinced yourself that everyone that backs Ole is somehow part of some weird cult that thinks he should be untouchable which is simply wrong. I've backed him and still do to some extent but i'm afraid yesterday was a turning point for the worse. A trophy yesterday would have been massive both for him and the players, but the manner in which we bottled it was not encouraging at all.

Now that Conte looks to be available i actually would not be opposed to replacing him because unlike all the other (ridiculous) suggestions that have been floated like Hassenhuttl and fecking Potter, hes actually a proven top manager

 

[golden_blunder]

“Embarrassing”

let me tell you something, if you find it embarrassing to get 2nd and get to a final to lose on penalties to a side who don’t play football then I’d say you should probably choose a new team.

doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see there is clear progress from what Mourinho left us and now. The fact that our squad isn’t as strong as city’s that’s on the owners

 

[PoTMS]

“Embarrassing”

let me tell you something, if you find it embarrassing to get 2nd and get to a final to lose on penalties to a side who don’t play football then I’d say you should probably choose a new team.

doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see there is clear progress from what Mourinho left us and now. The fact that our squad isn’t as strong as city’s that’s on the owners

But does it take a team as strong as City's to beat 7th placed Villareal in 120 minutes? By God, they are beyond shite. Our European exploits this season have definitely been embarrassing.

 

[golden_blunder]

But does it take a team as strong as City's to beat 7th placed Villareal in 120 minutes? By God, they are beyond shite. Our European exploits this season have definitely been embarrassing.

Embarrassing? Give over

by your logic we just turn up and win. No underdogs ever win

 

[anant]

But does it take a team as strong as City's to beat 7th placed Villareal in 120 minutes? By God, they are beyond shite. Our European exploits this season have definitely been embarrassing.

Its a one off game ffs!

Does it take Kane + current city team to beat Brighton? Or wba?

Does it take current chelsea team + a few more signings to beat WBA? Or us + Sancho to beat SHU?

 

[PoTMS]

Embarrassing? Give over

You don't think the players feel embarrassed by yesterday's defeat? Nor Ole? You, yourself, don't feel embarrassed by being the laughing stock of Europe? Do you not think Madrid or Barcelona would be embarrassed if they were getting knocked out of first and second tier competitions in the manner we have this season? Even Arsenal were embarrassed were losing to this shite and they are much worse than us.

Again, league results have been acceptable and finishing second is signs of progress, but our end product and performances in Europe have been found wanting, first the Champions League and then Europa League, in a competition where we were comfortably the better side.

 

[2 man midfield]

The manager is fine but ffs sign some coaches

 

[PoTMS]

Its a one off game ffs!

Does it take Kane + current city team to beat Brighton? Or wba?

Does it take current chelsea team + a few more signings to beat WBA? Or us + Sancho to beat SHU?

And what about PSG away? And Leipzig away? And Man City in the League Cup semi's? Or Leicester in the FA Cup quarter's? Or any big team in the league this season? You can't keep burying your head in the sand and just saying it's one game. There's a clear pattern here. When the pressure is on, we wet our pants.

 

[golden_blunder]

You don't think the players feel embarrassed by yesterday's defeat? Nor Ole? You, yourself, don't feel embarrassed by being the laughing stock of Europe? Do you not think Madrid or Barcelona would be embarrassed if they were getting knocked out of first and second tier competitions in the manner we have this season? Even Arsenal were embarrassed were losing to this shite and they are much worse than us.

Again, league results have been acceptable and finishing second is signs of progress, but our end product and performances in Europe have been found wanting, first the Champions League and then Europa League, in a competition where we were comfortably the better side.

Listen to yourself. Laughing stock of Europe. Jesus Christ

 

[PoTMS]

Listen to yourself. Laughing stock of Europe. Jesus Christ

Maybe not Europe but laughing stock of England, that's for sure. I'm not sure why and how you can dispute that? We lost in a second tier competition whereby we were by far and away the best team in it. You're right in that underdogs can win. But it doesn't stop the favourite from licking its wounds and being embarrassed, especially in the context of the season.

 

[MadMike]

Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see there is clear progress from what Mourinho left us and now. The fact that our squad isn’t as strong as city’s that’s on the owners

You’re a site admin so this will cop me a ban more likely but so be it... Anyone who claims that there is clear progress under Ole should stop at specsavers on the way to the psychiatrist. There must be something amiss there’s no other explanation.

Mourinho won two cups in his first season and got 69 points. In his second season he got 81 points and finished second. Meanwhile Ole has botched every cup run with his amateurish in-game management and won nothing. He finished on 66 points on his first season and 74 on his second. Both seasons lower than the tally Mourinho had. Apparently Liverpool imploding is improvement for us though.

The team has no concrete pattern of play, it can’t defend set pieces, can’t break low blocks and if you believe anyone here it apparently it has no bench worth subbing anyone in the starting XI for despite nearly 200m on transfers. This is clear progress? What does regression look like then?

The 2 things Ole has tangibly improved are the toxic dressing room atmosphere under Mou and the recruitment strategy being geared more towards long-termism than short-termism with a focus on younger players. That’s it. Otherwise he’s a smile merchant who says the things some people want to hear about “club dna” and “playing the Manchester United way” and blah blah while being well out of his depth in tactics and management.

Simply put, on the field, the team performs worse than it did. That’s on Ole.

 

[AjaxCunian]

They defended in two banks all game, and as far as offensive firepower is concerned, we started with pretty much everyone we had available. There was no space in the middle so the only option really was to get it wide and what little we did create came from there.

If you only had to do X, Y and Z tactical move to overcome a parked bus then no one would bother to do the latter

In hindsight, Ole should have started with Fred/Donny and McTomminay in the middle, Pogba out left and Rashford on the bench as an impact sub, but other than that its not like we had loads of game changers on the bench

So Bayern/City/Liverpool/PSG/Real/Barca wouldnt be able to get through this parked bus you'd say? Just nothing to do about it with our current team?

 

[golden_blunder]

Maybe not Europe but laughing stock of England, that's for sure. I'm not sure why and how you can dispute that? We lost in a second tier competition whereby we were by far and away the best team in it. You're right in that underdogs can win. But it doesn't stop the favourite from licking its wounds and being embarrassed, especially in the context of the season.

2nd
Laughing stock if England. Jesus Christ

im embarrassed for you. Calm down and come back

 

[anant]

And what about PSG away? And Leipzig away? And Man City in the League Cup semi's? Or Leicester in the FA Cup quarter's? Or any big team in the league this season? You can't keep burying your head in the sand and just saying it's one game. There's a clear pattern here. When the pressure is on, we wet our pants.

We won at Paris btw.

And continuing your post - what about PSG away? Leipzig at Home? Man City in league? or Pool in the FA Cup? We lost 3 games against big 6 this season, which is I think as good as any other side(?) this season. You can't pick and choose the big games and define those on basis of results. There barely is any pattern here

 

[McGrathsipan]

You guys can enjoy your old school manager that can't coach modern football.

Your new school man is no better.

We are like peas in a pod

 

[AjaxCunian]

You’re a site admin so this will cop me a ban more likely but so be it... Anyone who claims that there is clear progress under Ole should stop at specsavers on the way to the psychiatrist. There must be something amiss there’s no other explanation.

Mourinho won two cups in his first season and got 69 points. In his second season he got 81 points and finished second. Meanwhile Ole has botched every cup run with his amateurish in-game management and won nothing. He finished on 66 points on his first season and 74 on his second. Both seasons lower than the tally Mourinho had. Apparently Liverpool imploding is improvement for us though.

The team has no concrete pattern of play, it can’t defend set pieces, can’t break low blocks and if you believe anyone here it apparently it has no bench worth subbing anyone in the starting XI for despite nearly 200m on transfers. This is clear progress? What does regression look like then?

The 2 things Ole has tangibly improved are the toxic dressing room atmosphere under Mou and the recruitment strategy being geared more towards long-termism than short-termism with a focus on younger players. That’s it. Otherwise he’s a smile merchant who says the things some people want to hear about “club dna” and “playing the Manchester United way” and blah blah while being well out of his depth in tactics and management.

Simply put, on the field, the team performs worse than it did. That’s on Ole.

I think this sums it up about well, neither are good enough though.

 

[led_scholes]

Its a one off game ffs!

Does it take Kane + current city team to beat Brighton? Or wba?

Does it take current chelsea team + a few more signings to beat WBA? Or us + Sancho to beat SHU?

The European Campaign was not a one off game. Two and half years later and after spending millions, we lost to Baherskehir, Leipzig and Villarreal in the same year. The sum of their budget is less than our, and yet we still blame squad depth. Or maybe because Ole spent 75 millions this year and he didn't use any of the signings, bar Cavani.

 

[united_99]

We need to get back to the SAF days where we knew we would more or less easily break down and beat over 90% of the low block or mid table teams 2-0 / 3-0. This also requires not to concede first almost every single time.
In the premier league at least based on this season I can only say this about City.
All the other top teams including us you mostly can’t say this with confidence before such a game.
For us this needs to change next season. And we bloody need to hire a set piece coach. I got the impression in the last years that they are losing importance, but even top teams are scoring through set pieces now all the time whereas we are bad at them in terms of attacking and defending.
Regarding yesterday I still don’t get our game plan. We had enough days to prepare for it. If you start with all your best attacking players then you have to at least make sure that you score at least a couple of goals. Don’t even want to talk (again) about the lack of timely subs. Really bad day at the office from Ole and his staff.

 

[hubbuh]

Maybe not Europe but laughing stock of England, that's for sure. I'm not sure why and how you can dispute that? We lost in a second tier competition whereby we were by far and away the best team in it. You're right in that underdogs can win. But it doesn't stop the favourite from licking its wounds and being embarrassed, especially in the context of the season.

Rubbish. Liverpool weren't the laughing stock of England when they lost to Sevilla, I don't think anyone really cared that much. It's hard to care that much when it's the Europa League.

 

[golden_blunder]

You’re a site admin so this will cop me a ban more likely but so be it... Anyone who claims that there is clear progress under Ole should stop at specsavers on the way to the psychiatrist. There must be something amiss there’s no other explanation.

Mourinho won two cups in his first season and got 69 points. In his second season he got 81 points and finished second. Meanwhile Ole has botched every cup run with his amateurish in-game management and won nothing. He finished on 66 points on his first season and 74 on his second. Both seasons lower than the tally Mourinho had. Apparently Liverpool imploding is improvement for us though.

The team has no concrete pattern of play, it can’t defend set pieces, can’t break low blocks and if you believe anyone here it apparently it has no bench worth subbing anyone in the starting XI for despite nearly 200m on transfers. This is clear progress? What does regression look like then?

The 2 things Ole has tangibly improved are the toxic dressing room atmosphere under Mou and the recruitment strategy being geared more towards long-termism than short-termism with a focus on younger players. That’s it. Otherwise he’s a smile merchant who says the things some people want to hear about “club dna” and “playing the Manchester United way” and blah blah while being well out of his depth in tactics and management.

Simply put, on the field, the team performs worse than it did. That’s on Ole.

I won’t ban you

I don’t agree with you though. If you don’t believe that a squad which before last night was in high morale, 2nd in the league is progress then I don’t know. You mention Liverpool but you could say that about anyone. When we won the league, a few times you could put it down to bad challenges as well as us taking the points.
Your eyes would tell you that there is progress. Look at the goals scored column, we have scored our most league goals since 2012-2013.
yes there are a few squad upgrades that could improve us even more, that’s on the owners now, all eyes on them

 

[anant]

The European Campaign was not a one off game. Two and half years later and after spending millions, we lost to Baherskehir, Leipzig and Villarreal in the same year. The sum of their budget is less than our, and yet we still blame squad depth. Or maybe because Ole spent 75 millions this year and he didn't use any of the signings, bar Cavani.

The final was a one off game unless I missed the previous legs of the final.

If I'm losing to an inferior team over two legs, sure the outrage makes sense, but over one leg upsets happen. Lyon beat City last year, RBL beat Atleti, and so on.

 

[Desert Eagle]

You’re a site admin so this will cop me a ban more likely but so be it... Anyone who claims that there is clear progress under Ole should stop at specsavers on the way to the psychiatrist. There must be something amiss there’s no other explanation.

Mourinho won two cups in his first season and got 69 points. In his second season he got 81 points and finished second. Meanwhile Ole has botched every cup run with his amateurish in-game management and won nothing. He finished on 66 points on his first season and 74 on his second. Both seasons lower than the tally Mourinho had. Apparently Liverpool imploding is improvement for us though.

The team has no concrete pattern of play, it can’t defend set pieces, can’t break low blocks and if you believe anyone here it apparently it has no bench worth subbing anyone in the starting XI for despite nearly 200m on transfers. This is clear progress? What does regression look like then?

The 2 things Ole has tangibly improved are the toxic dressing room atmosphere under Mou and the recruitment strategy being geared more towards long-termism than short-termism with a focus on younger players. That’s it. Otherwise he’s a smile merchant who says the things some people want to hear about “club dna” and “playing the Manchester United way” and blah blah while being well out of his depth in tactics and management.

Simply put, on the field, the team performs worse than it did. That’s on Ole.

Well said

 

[led_scholes]

The final was a one off game unless I missed the previous legs of the final.

If I'm losing to an inferior team over two legs, sure the outrage makes sense, but over one leg upsets happen. Lyon beat City last year, RBL beat Atleti, and so on.

You missed my point. I would accept losing a one off game. But we lost other games in Europe this year against much smaller teams. It is a pattern not something that happened once.

 

[Rightnr]

Listen to yourself. Laughing stock of Europe. Jesus Christ

This post and other actions of the moderation team show they are clearly Ole fanboys for the most part. Give me another warning, I couldn't care less.

If you think finishing second and bottling one final after bottling 5 semifinals is what United is all about, you are letting the Glazers and the current management of the club get away with the proverbial murder of our standards as a top club.

 

[Abraxas]

Total nonsense to say it's embarrassing. It implies it's a given we will win. In reality everybody knew we were big favourites and must do much better, but it's not like we lost to Accrington Stanley. We are playing a good side who exploited some of our weaknesses, with a fairly cynical but hugely successful style on the day. We didn't have enough going forward and lost on penalties.

Other fans are always going to mock us when we stumble, we can't be influenced in our analysis by what they are saying. Plenty of big clubs have had poor seasons and end empty handed or below expectations, shall we all sit around calling them embarrassing too? It's a very immature and entitled perspective.

It's sport, you have one winner and a bunch of losers and unfortunately we ended up on the wrong side through a poor performance, good application from the opposition, and possibly through many mistakes we made on the day. If everytime we fall short it is embarrassing and the world is caving in then that fan is going to struggle supporting United into the future because the landscape is very different to when I was younger. We are a contender among many now and that's just the cold, hard reality.

 

[stw2022]

He either doesn’t trust himself to influence the game tactically or he isn’t able to.

Pick one because...it’s one. Surrounding himself with friends and familiar faces isn’t helping

 

[Crustanoid]

I knew this thread would reappear. Just like a turd that won’t flush. With a load of rectal sputum (the Ole Out posters, in case of any doubt) circling around.

 

[Ralaks]

The most shocking decision was clearly holding out for penalties when our goalkeeper has such a shocking record. Everyone here, the pundits on the telly, etc. called out the same. Fair enough - you don't want to embarrass DDG, but then instead at least go for it instead of playing 30 mins with dead tired players. We barely touched the football in either halves. Literally holding till the last 30 seconds and a throw in to us before having the guts to throw in Mata and Telles.

Fair enough they haven't performed against fit and energetic players, but surely they could do something against tired Villareal players. For a manager who prides himself in man management his trust in his squad is abysmal.

We have very little game plan against low block teams, and it has cost us heavily this season. Dropping points against Sheffield and WBA when we were in contention, to here now in the final. It's pretty obvious this is a big an issue as the unreliability at the back. Now it's up to Ole and his team to figure out how we proceed to solve this over the summer - if there is no improvement - then it is pretty clear he isn't the right cut for the job anymore. We can't win titles based purely on individual brilliance saving us every time.

 

[Bobcat]

So Bayern/City/Liverpool/PSG/Real/Barca wouldnt be able to get through this parked bus you'd say? Just nothing to do about it with our current team?

This particular game? Impossible to say, but its not like those teams have a 100% win rate either is it?

As i said, starting and then keeping Rashford on all game was a feck up, but this idea that every time we lose or play badly its just tactics or coaching is daft. None of our big hitters performed yesterday. We had no game changers on the bench that could make any kind of meaningful impact against that set up.

If we still had Zlatan or Matial was fit and in form they might have added another threat, but Mata, Donny and Amad would not have made any difference

McTomminay, Greenwood and Shaw did well, the rest ranged from poor to absolutely shite

 

[golden_blunder]

This post and other actions of the moderation team show they are clearly Ole fanboys for the most part. Give me another warning, I couldn't care less.

If you think finishing second and bottling one final after bottling 5 semifinals is what United is all about, you are letting the Glazers and the current management of the club get away with the proverbial murder of our standards as a top club.

Your post should jog on

 

[DarkDog]

Don’t blame Ole, he has proved that he can get the best out of the team. Problem has been non existant owners/ lack of investment in the last 2 years. in the final Ole played with the same players that he had when he signed for us. He doesn’t have anybody to bring from bench. that is all because the club isn’t backing him?
Rashford is clearly dealing with some issues.
We need to keep hitting Glazers, we need to absolutely attack Glazer at the fans forum.
But given all that, do you think that Dean would have let 11 out of 11 pens behind him?
If i’ve seen Rashford so disinterested and Greenwood given his all, I would have never let Rashford stay in game and taken out Mason
but all in all, last summer came back to haunt us. Glazers/Ed needed more money than Ole needed his transfers

 

[Hammondo]

This particular game? Impossible to say, but its not like those teams have a 100% win rate either is it?

As i said, starting and then keeping Rashford on all game was a feck up, but this idea that every time we lose or play badly its just tactics or coaching is daft. None of our big hitters performed yesterday. We had no game changers on the bench that could make any kind of meaningful impact against that set up.

If we still had Zlatan or Matial was fit and in form they might have added another threat, but Mata, Donny and Amad would not have made any difference

McTomminay, Greenwood and Shaw did well, the rest ranged from poor to absolutely shite

AWB did well.

 

[MO_Football92]

We don't have the spending powers of your team. We have a mediore manager with limited funds. You guys have the most fund in the league bar Man City.



Your fanbase can't recognise a new manager bounch. Winning games with counter-attacking football is not a sign that the manager is a good manager.



Many fans seem to do when Ole is winning, even if it was a bad win.

I actually think Ole has done a good job for United actually, despite lack of trophies.

Would have him over Arteta everyday.

 

[MadMike]

I won’t ban you

I don’t agree with you though. If you don’t believe that a squad which before last night was in high morale, 2nd in the league is progress then I don’t know. You mention Liverpool but you could say that about anyone. When we won the league, a few times you could put it down to bad challenges as well as us taking the points.
Your eyes would tell you that there is progress. Look at the goals scored column, we have scored our most league goals since 2012-2013.
yes there are a few squad upgrades that could improve us even more, that’s on the owners now, all eyes on them

2nd in the league on fewer points is not progress on 3 years ago. It objectively isn't it. No ifs, no buts, no coconuts, there's no sugar-coating reality. It's merely a tiny progress on the last two terrible seasons in which we collected 66 points and finished 30 points off the top. Ole has marginally improved on his own last season low, but it's still lower than Mourinho's. That's it. And I'm not even a proponent of Mourinho I hated the guy and I hated his overly defensive playstyle.

This team is nowhere near inching closer to being a challenging team. Goals scored tells me nothing. I see Liverpool and City playing with much more fluidity, style and identity than we do. I could see Klopp developing a style on his second season at Liverpool and building a team with his identity for the same money that we squandered, but I see nothing at United. I see more frailties if anything. I see a weaker mentality, worse coaching and worse squad management. I don't see a manager with the nous and tactical acumen to perform better.

This team will go back to fighting for 3rd-4th next season because clearly 2 teams are better than us and a 3rd team (Chelsea) is catching up fast. Some senior players will lose faith in the project and the direction of the team. Pogba will likely leave. If we don't get top 4 Ole will be sacked and we'll doing this all over again while people on here will still be mumbling about progress.

 

[anant]

You missed my point. I would accept losing a one off game. But we lost other games in Europe this year against much smaller teams. It is a pattern not something that happened once.

Leipzig isnt a small team. They might not be an expensively built team, but their recruitment has been top class for 5-6 years, maybe more. And that's the difference between us and a lot of "inferior" teams including Leicester as well.

Till Mou's appointment, 90% of our signings were brain-dead signings which made 0 sense when you think what they could achieve. The transition lasted this long because we were focussed on taking short-cuts- signing ready made players, and by the time the younger players would have reached peak years, the ready-made players bought would be in their twilight - Mkhi, Zlatan, Matic, Schweinsteiger,Alexis being prime examples of this.

 

[Rightnr]

Your post should jog on

Yup, you must be the one that gave me a warning for derailing a thread when Wumminator is encouraged to spew his BS each time we win against a pub team.

The fact is, opinions against the manager get shut down on here if we're doing well but if we're doing poorly, somehow the Ole fanboys have to have their safe space.