He got himself appointed with brilliant performances, including Jesse Lingard moonwalking in your gaff.
We are an awfully coached team
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He got himself appointed with brilliant performances, including Jesse Lingard moonwalking in your gaff.
Why is Bruno, Pogba and the whole offensive turning to shit? Ole or something else?
And yet he attacked Mourinho at every opportunity...
When we are tenth at Xmas and third in our UCL group, he'll be sacked.
100%
That's my biggest concern. His game management cost us the trophy.
For a team who loves to counter attack, we sure don't know how to set up in a way that stops it.
Does it look like we're enjoying it!
We don't have the spending powers of your team. We have a mediore manager with limited funds. You guys have the most fund in the league bar Man City.
Your fanbase can't recognise a new manager bounch. Winning games with counter-attacking football is not a sign that the manager is a good manager.
Many fans seem to do when Ole is winning, even if it was a bad win.
Are you fecking okay? Do you think Ole was appointed after a fecking democratic election or something?
Eh? How much have you spent on players? Pepe cost nearly £70m. You’ve spent plenty, got a good squad and finished 9th which is abysmal.
I do still think Ole needs fresh ideas and some different coaches to work with. I feel like we'll rely on new players to freshen things up, and yeah that could work, but surely we've got to be looking at the overall picture. I believe Ole has a place here, but surely he should take a page out of Fergie's book and look at the staff around him to spice things up.
If Ole persists with his coaching staff who are clearly not good enough, then i'll be glad to see him go. I was panicking everytime we conceded a set piece, how has a weakness this obvious not been ironed out yet? Won't even mention us being unable to create clear cut chances.
Unfortunately, this is partly true with a lot of the ex-Utd players lapping it up after the 2 years of shite with Mourinho. There was a group of us, who were skeptical though and even when I look back at my comments during that initial run, I was still critical of the freespirited (i.e of micro coaching) approach to games.
At no point tonight with any impact did I think he would change the personnel or system to adapt to the low block wall we came up against. I knew his only hope was an individual spark from one of the front 5 to nick a goal. That’s not only shocking but very worrying. We’re stuck.
The performances werent brilliant nor were the results sustainable. The biggest new-manager bounce ever.
You're absolutely spot on, but will take years for most United fans to realise. Just like with Mourinho and van Gaal. They were quite quick with Moyes at least.
Rashford must have pictures of Ole in bed with Lindelof. Otherwise, Ole's in-game management is criminally inept.
Ole was not meant to be the long term manager. The glazers listened to the fans and changed their mind.
I find the Utd fanbase to be one of the least tactically astute fanbase of all the major clubs. There's this obession against "hipster" managers. I guess too many fans never had to think tactially since the days of Ferguson.
I'd second this. They still can't see that Ole-ball leads to nothing, in his 3rd season. It's fully reliant on individual quality.
Yes, he's a better manager than Arteta. And he should be baring in mind he's been managing for 10 years as opposed to just 18 months like the latter. And yet one has won a trophy for their respective club and the other bottles it everytime he comes close with some bewildering tactical decisions. Don't get me wrong, I don't want Arteta here or think he's even doing even close to a good job, but if being better than Arteta is now the bar for Manchester United manager, then we have some low fecking standards.
Man Utd as one of the biggest if not the biggest club in the world deserve a world class manager.
This shows the owners have no ambition and vision for the club. Ed and Glazers knows nothing about football. To them, money is everything.
This shows the owners have no ambition and vision for the club. Ed and Glazers knows nothing about football. To them, money is everything.
It's the fans that don't want Ole sacked.
Stick around and read a few of the longer threads created after the final. You'd be surprised.
Some people treat supporting the current manager, and especially this one, as a religion.
absolutely out coached in every facet today ....he has taken us as far as he can #oleout
Unfortunately, this is partly true. Many Man Utd fans take finishing 2nd as progress regardless of the style of play. It's madness to think we can drop so far from SAF time.
Also, agree that Man Utd fans are the least tactical astute fans amongst the big clubs in Europe.
If the style of play Ole (quite similar to Jose, LVG, Moyes - defensive/boring) implemented here in RM, Barca, BM he would be gone in no time. White handkerchief will be all over the stadium!
We, the Man Utd fans, deserve the last 8 years and more to come if we continue to have this kind of mentality.
Need a new manager but will not happen. Ole has taken us as far as possible. But as long as he can finish top 4, he won't be sacked.
The final was so emblematic of our past seasons
Concede first
Concede from set piece
Relying on individual brilliance to repair the damage
Struggling to create against a team sat back
The biggest worry is other teams are coming back, our huge flaws could be exposed next season. We desperately need to stop these set pieces and to create space in attack with a higher level of passing and movement that can come with coaching. You also have to sign players with this in mind, it will break down with some no matter what. Ole needs some technical help if he is to stay.
Concede first
Concede from set piece
Relying on individual brilliance to repair the damage
Struggling to create against a team sat back
The biggest worry is other teams are coming back, our huge flaws could be exposed next season. We desperately need to stop these set pieces and to create space in attack with a higher level of passing and movement that can come with coaching. You also have to sign players with this in mind, it will break down with some no matter what. Ole needs some technical help if he is to stay.
Or maybe not play Rashford through injury
Do you have any idea how long it took your club to realize even after the 8-2 mauling that your ‘old school manager’ was done with coaching ‘modern football’?
Answer: AGES.
At least ours won’t take that long. And even so far under Ole, we haven’t reached embarrassment levels of that stature yet.
You know? The level, where you can go from a clubs main rival to their favourite spanking joke in club football. Lastly, you guys have done amazing hiring a modern football manager eh? Same position as last season if I’m not wrong.
I’d continue having a laugh at your expense but I’ll let you sleep over my current comments for now before I share the rest.
His fanboys will come and give new excuses for his failings once again as usual.
The sooner we get rid of Ole the better.
The sooner we get rid of Ole the better.
Its a poorly hidden secret that Ole does very little of the day to day coaching himself, but hes still responsible for picking his coaches. If he chooses to die on he Carrick/McKenna hill then so be it, but its a bit weird imo
Everyone struggles with low blocks, but we are especially bad at them. What is even worse is our complete inability to deal with balls into our own box.
We wont win shit as long as every set piece against is a huge chance to concede
Didnt Spurs beat us 6-1 at Old Trafford this season?Do you have any idea how long it took your club to realize even after the 8-2 mauling that your ‘old school manager’ was done with coaching ‘modern football’?
Answer: AGES.
At least ours won’t take that long. And even so far under Ole, we haven’t reached embarrassment levels of that stature yet.
Lastly, you guys have done amazing hiring a modern football manager eh? Same position as last season if I’m not wrong.
I’d continue having a laugh at your expense but I’ll let you sleep over my current comments for now before I share the rest.
Of course. And that’s not the only embarrassing result that we’ve suffered. But we’ve also gone through the process of changing managers to overcome our short comings or atleast have to want to over the last decade.
I was just reminding this arsenal fan that it’s easy to come have sly digs at us United fans, some of whom aren’t even supportive of our current manager. But atleast we’re not continuing to support a lost cause like Wenger was way past his prime.
Not sure what your purpose was to even remind me about the 6-1? You may have missed the reason why I reminded the arsenal fan of all those things.
We have reached those embarassment levels. No one is talking about Arsenal, you are just making digs based on the club which he supports and it is totally irrelevant to what he's saying. I think he's directing at the "Ole In's, who are in full numbers.
Wenger's situation was far more complex than you portray it to be anyway. Many fans wanted him out for years, however that team was quite awful as well. They had no money to spend, nowhere comparable to this United team that is one of the most expensive teams around. (And we now need to spend another 200 million to have "progress).
No sir I would advise reading his post and my reply to it again.
It was to do with saying we fans are being inclined to enjoy our current manager. It’s not in our control. Same way his fans who also knew Wenger should leave but the decision wasn’t up to them.
Knowing a manager is doing right or wrong is a whole other conversation compared to is he justifiably still employed or not.
Exactly. Against low blocks you need patterns of play drilled into the players to break things up. We are just passing the ball around, slow and clueless. We have not created one real chance in 120 minutes, and that was not the first time.
It won't be easy to stand our ground against Klopp, Tuchel and Guardiola next season.
The post i was responding to blamed tactics.
Nothing wrong with the tactics, in hindsight Rashford should never have started and should have been hauled at HT the latests, but the other than that the team selection and tactics were fine
Christ. You want to purge the club of fans you dont agree with?
Thats more than a little worrying
I disagree, I think he is spot on. Look at this club and the whole "Ole's at the weel". He did quite alright as interim-manager but even after the bounce, he bottled the opportunity to end top 4 by going on a poor streak vs poor opposition at the end of that season.
The football wasnt great throughout, but we had a nice bounce when he first joined. United and her fans don't spot that, that even his interim-time wasn't enough to give him the job. He didnt first bottle today, it started back then. Back then it should have been clear that yes we have some good results but it is unsustainable by the performance level.
Which has gone on to happen multiple times under his tenure but the fans keep getting fooled.
Even against Roma, 6-2, @Wumminator was mocking fans that criticised the general performance level of United. But ooooh, we win one match greatly and all of a sudden we are great, and other fans re-iterate that. We have shown after that 6-2 clearly that we are far from where we need to be. But this too, will be missed by a lot of fans.
"Just throw more money, we have had progress, it's a penalty shoot-out, among other rubbish".
The tactics arent fine if you barely create anything I'd say.
The intent/desire to attack and take them on was alright. But tactically there is almost nothing to this team, Bielsa said it.