We are an awfully coached team

Hugh Jass said:
We play well in moments and rely on individual brilliance to score.

I just think we can be so much better with the players we have. I still think he should be given another season. We need a few more players. A new CB, MF and either a world class striker or world class RW. Not sure on the last part.
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I honestly have no problem at all with him getting next season especially considering I'm expecting us to win EL and finish second.

I just hope he at least shake the coaching stuff a little bit and got some good names in it to cover for limited tactics. An experienced coach alongside him will be a good step forward. Keeping everything as it's without changing anything, and yeah, I'll be expecting another top 4 this and a good cup run but nothing else with how our general play and style is.
 
cyberman said:
Listen to the criticisms here, if we arent chasing a quadruple then we are shit apparently
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Can you quote one post, in this thread or another that even hints at the Quadruple being the sole barometer of success. . .

No, cause it’s a straw man argument.
 
Rajma said:
You enjoy watching us struggle to make 3 consecutive passes game after game after 3 year’s of his coaching? What is so brilliant about it - explain me, since I genuinely baffled.
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While you see us struggle 3 consecutive passes, I see us progressing and taking step forwards. I am having hard time to understand how we are 2nd in league. 3rd last year. And all that with bad players and bad managment. Is this just luck?

Either teams like Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and all other except ManCity are bad with bad managers and players or can it be so that we are doing some thing very good ?
 
Hugh Jass said:
We play well in moments and rely on individual brilliance to score.

I just think we can be so much better with the players we have. I still think he should be given another season. We need a few more players. A new CB, MF and either a world class striker or world class RW. Not sure on the last part.
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I would be very hesitant to give Ole much of a budget at this moment. I will need to know what's the plan for this team to put together simple 5 yard passes and control balls in tight spaces first. Those are not money issues, there are very basic issues here at play. Seemingly every problem at United ends up with "we need to buy a striker, CB, MF, right wing and DM". Sorry, there are bigger problems here than just throwing money around.
 
el3mel said:
Ultimately United will win more games than losses because we're better than most other English teams. Are we good enough to challenge for a major trophy, no we're fecking not.
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This sentence needs to be on a banner across this forum.

OgS being paraded as some messiah for winning games against opponents he outspends 5-10x over but escapes criticism when we can’t get near an injury riddled Leicester.

It’s time he wins the games that matter.
 
What Ole’s doing is very simple and basic at this level, there’s nothing more to come. I still don’t see where any big improvement is coming from and expect next season will be very similar and be a case of looking over our shoulder rather than trying to catch City.
 
90 + 5min said:
While you see us struggle 3 consecutive passes, I see us progressing and taking step forwards. I am having hard time to understand how we are 2nd in league. 3rd last year. And all that with bad players and bad managment. Is this just luck?

Either teams like Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and all other except ManCity are bad with bad managers and players or can it be so that we are doing some thing very good ?
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We have some very talented players who, if they are having a good day, can get us over the line in many games. We also have a very quick forward line that makes us a handful to play against on the break.

The main criticisms levelled against Ole and his staff in this thread, are that we can't pass the ball, press or attack teams in a organised way - we just look completely disjointed in open play. We also cannot defend set pieces. These are two areas where the quality of coaching (or lack thereof) has a direct impact on what we see on the pitch.

Leaving aside our league position for a moment, do you genuinely see a side that is progressing in its overall play? If so, what would you say are the main improvements in our play that you have noticed this season vs last?
 
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The only ones I'd consider the elite is Guardiola and Klopp (maybe depending how he bounces back next season.)

But it's weird there is a serious lack of world class managers at the moment.
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I agree with that completely but on the other hand let’s not kid ourselves that there’s not an abundance of managers out there who aren’t obvious and serious upgrades on Solskjaer. There’s three alone in the bottom half of the table in the Premier League, for crying out loud! (And no, that’s not being hyperbolic: Potter, Hasenhuttl and Bielsa.)

It’s just so demoralising and arrogant when certain posters maintain only an ‘elite’ manager can come in and out-do what Solskjaer has done for us/will do in the future and that there’s no ‘elite’ managers available ergo, we must continue with Solskjaer.

It’s absolutely preposterous.

P.S. I’m not saying you are one of these posters, just a point I think seeing being made in various threads over the past while.
 
Kush said:
Utterly pointless these kind of posts, you are picking narratives out of thin air to stick up for your man. Who in here is asking Ole to win the PL? We are asking for us to look like a cohesive footballing side, week in week out, have some sort of footballing identity which is visible. But it's not, we look like a disjointed mess most games, bereft of ideas how to break open the game. We are scraping through many wins in PL but our performances are still poor. How can you easily identify players aren't good enough, but not recognize the manager is not cut out for the job either?

Leicester today were without Barnes, Maddison, Justin (3 of their best players this season) and comfortably outplayed us. Ole has spent in excess of £300m in his tenure here (only City have spent more than us during this period), that's a significant sum of money. Expectations in here at a record low if fans don't expect us to beat an injury riddled Leicester side.

Also, keep in mind, it was Ole himself who in his own words, expected us to contend for PL in his 3rd season. As it stands, we are a million miles away from them and don't stand any chance to "contend" next season. Expectations were set by him 2 seasons ago, but now we have fans like you re-writing expectations just because?
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You are saying to poster that he is picking but can't recognize or atleast say that we missed lot of our players today? When you gladly said Leiceter missed 3 players. Then going on saying Leicester outplayed us when it is far from the truth. We lost because of individual misstakes. We were no worse.

I don't get this with identity. Or patterns as some people would go on about. We have teams that have identity. Like Burnley. But would you swap their clear identity for ours meaning you get their style of play?

Solskjaer is in his 2nd whole season. 3rd last year and on road to 2nd this year. We can't be that bad can we? Next year, we will be lot closer to trophy. Next year I expect final push and battle for league.
 
90 + 5min said:
While you see us struggle 3 consecutive passes, I see us progressing and taking step forwards. I am having hard time to understand how we are 2nd in league. 3rd last year. And all that with bad players and bad managment. Is this just luck?

Either teams like Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and all other except ManCity are bad with bad managers and players or can it be so that we are doing some thing very good ?
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By this reductive thinking the only way to progress next season, should we finish 2nd, would be to win the thing yet league position aside this squad shows no signs of competing for a league over a season.

Progression & taking steps forward? Ok, so we look like we’ll improve our league position, that’s progress - steps forward? Our football is dire & our best player, Bruno, looks pissed.

Just say you’ve got blind faith in OgS & move on. We’ve gone out of yet another cup competition, this time at the quarters as opposed to the semis & you want to throw progress around.
 
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You are saying to poster that he is picking but can't recognize or atleast say that we missed lot of our players today? When you gladly said Leiceter missed 3 players. Then going on saying Leicester outplayed us when it is far from the truth. We lost because of individual misstakes. We were no worse.

I don't get this with identity. Or patterns as some people would go on about. We have teams that have identity. Like Burnley. But would you swap their clear identity for ours meaning you get their style of play?

Solskjaer is in his 2nd whole season. 3rd last year and on road to 2nd this year. We can't be that bad can we? Next year, we will be lot closer to trophy. Next year I expect final push and battle for league.
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We’re not that bad but we’re not that good either, if your expecting a title challenge next season your being very optimistic and probably should prepare for some disappointment.
 
Infra-red said:
We have some very talented players who, if they are having a good day, can get us over the line in many games. We also have a very quick forward line that makes us a handful to play against on the break.

The main criticisms levelled against Ole and his staff in this thread, are that we can't pass the ball, press or attack teams in a organised way - we just look completely disjointed in open play. We also cannot defend set pieces. These are two areas where the quality of coaching (or lack thereof) has a direct impact on what we see on the pitch.

Leaving aside our league position for a moment, do you genuinely see a side that is progressing in its overall play? If so, what would you say are the main improvements in our play that you have noticed this season vs last?
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But it can't just be talented players that have good day. We must be doing something more right for us being 2nd? Infront of last years champions with Klopp, or Chelsea, or Tottenham with Mourinho with Kane and Son. Or other teams and managers like Arsenal and Leicester.

There can be crticism and should be. But we have to keep it on right level. People are judging to early and to fast.

I do see progress in our game and I said even last year that, when I don't see us going forward then it is time for change. We are more compact team. We are solid and we have not been outplayed this season by anyone bar some laps for 15-20 minutes (Leipzig / Tottenham). We can win against anyone wich couldn't been said 2-4 years ago. But main improvment this year is that we are more solid team that don't panic and everybody is slowly starting to understand their role in team. Can it be better? No question about that. But we are improving as a team.
 
Buchan said:
I agree with that completely but on the other hand let’s not kid ourselves that there’s not an abundance of managers out there who aren’t obvious and serious upgrades on Solskjaer. There’s three alone in the bottom half of the table in the Premier League, for crying out loud! (And no, that’s not being hyperbolic: Potter, Hasenhuttl and Bielsa.)

It’s just so demoralising and arrogant when certain posters maintain only an ‘elite’ manager can come in and out-do what Solskjaer has done for us/will do in the future and that there’s no ‘elite’ managers available ergo, we must continue with Solskjaer.

It’s absolutely preposterous.

P.S. I’m not saying you are one of these posters, just a point I think seeing being made in various threads over the past while.
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Yeah I agree, we don't need Pep and Klopp to have some level of organization and cohesiveness in our play. Its not a all or nothing game. Conte, Allegri, Naagelsmann, Bielsa, Brendan Rodgers, Pochetino can all get us playing more organized than what we are doing right now. Mind you I am not suggesting we hire these managers simply giving an example of managers that can get their teams playing as a team, even if they are not named pep guardiola. Hell pull Arsene Wenger out of retirement and he can do much better.
 
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You are saying to poster that he is picking but can't recognize or atleast say that we missed lot of our players today? When you gladly said Leiceter missed 3 players. Then going on saying Leicester outplayed us when it is far from the truth. We lost because of individual misstakes. We were no worse.
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I quoted that poster because he was using a straw-man argument to justify his rant. There's not a single poster on here who sees us winning the PL/Quadruple as barometer of success.

Who were we missing today apart from Rashford? Ole chose to rest Shaw/Bruno before the International break, that's on him. Nobody asked him to play Bruno in 2nd leg vs Real Sociedad when we were 4-0 up. Need I remind you he only made 1 sub as we drew 0-0 with Palace? Or the countless matches where he has chosen to keep Rashford/Bruno and many other regulars for full 90 even though the said player was playing crap and setup was not working? This is one of many Ole's shortcomings.

I don't get this with identity. Or patterns as some people would go on about. We have teams that have identity. Like Burnley. But would you swap their clear identity for ours meaning you get their style of play?
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Considering Burnley have 1/20th of the budget we do, no I don't want us to have an identity like Burnley. My minimum expectations is for us to string few passes together and look like a team who have some semblance of idea what they are doing when they attack. I see this purpose when I watch Brighton, but I don't, even after 5 windows under Solskjaer when it comes to us. Our off the ball movement is still as static as it was an year or two ago.

Solskjaer is in his 2nd whole season. 3rd last year and on road to 2nd this year. We can't be that bad can we? Next year, we will be lot closer to trophy. Next year I expect final push and battle for league.
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I know he is in his 2nd full season, and we are a million miles away from City. Also, we ourselves are not so further ahead of likes of Leicester/Chelsea/even Liverpool to take 2nd as a minimum ceiling, where we would automatically improve upon it and challenge City next season. We finished 2nd in 17/18 with 81pts, but everyone knew we weren't the 2nd best side in the division because of how poor our football was, and how many wins we barely scraped through. That pattern is repeating again this season, and many posters like you and others can't recognize it.

I wish we battled for PL next season, but I am under no delusions that Ole is even remotely capable manager to do that. Our drop off after hitting top of the PL was alarming. 1 loss and 3 draws in next 5. Those dropped points were against Sheffield, West Brom, Arsenal and Everton.
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
By this reductive thinking the only way to progress next season, should we finish 2nd, would be to win the thing yet league position aside this squad shows no signs of competing for a league over a season.

Progression & taking steps forward? Ok, so we look like we’ll improve our league position, that’s progress - steps forward? Our football is dire & our best player, Bruno, looks pissed.

Just say you’ve got blind faith in OgS & move on. We’ve gone out of yet another cup competition, this time at the quarters as opposed to the semis & you want to throw progress around.
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Next year we should be winning some trophies. No question about that. But definitly fighting for 1st place.

I don't have blind faith and never will. I'm looking at this with open mind and seeing thigs for what they are.

And just so you know. I rather win league with boring park the buss - games then coming 2 with 200 goals and ultra attackin beautifle style. But that's just me.

Roboc7 said:
We’re not that bad but we’re not that good either, if your expecting a title challenge next season your being very optimistic and probably should prepare for some disappointment.
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Optimist or not but I do expect us in the battle. We are not far from it. If now some team doesn't get 100 crazy points. If we don't fight for the title next year we should be looking at why and how and if that means changing managment then so be it. But for now we are making progress.
 
LVG was the only manager who started to coach us properly but we didn't give him enough time to bear any fruit.
 
The strawman some people are putting up is soul destroying. No one is asking for us to win the quadruple, no one is asking for us to look like prime Barca.
All people are saying is if after 2.5 years, the team cannot resemble a cohesive footballing side, then there are serious problems and serious questions need to be asked.
How many good performances have we had this season? How many times have we played a match and you can say this team knows what it's doing and knows how to go about its business? Are you seeing a side that is evolving tactically and improving in it's way of playing...heck, what's our way of playing? We look like the footballing version of Boris Johnson. Obviously not prepared but quite good at bluffing its way to a result.
We consistently and that the key CONSISTENLY produce poor performances. Just close your eyes to the results for one(they're not even that great). We are consistently below par. This isn't his first season at some point, you have to start looking at how we are playing.
You have your head stuck somewhere if you think people want him to fail. Some people have no faith that he's good enough. There's a difference.
Leicester have key players missing but somehow still manages to look like a unit. We look like strangers 70% of the time. It's not acceptable for a club aiming for trophies.
 
Having followed for a big portion of SAF's tenure, I consider that I've had a fill of trophies and great memories for a lifetime. I'm not gonna say that I don't care about trophies because that would be a lie but my priority is watching a coherent football with decent football more often and Ole's Utd doesn't deliver it.
 
People express their concerns regarding us struggling to play this game called football and you see posts throwing our league positions all over the place, i mean, why even bother :lol:
 
el3mel said:
In fairness that is how we’ve played alls
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Adisa said:
The strawman some people are putting up is soul destroying. No one is asking for us to win the quadruple, no one is asking for us to look like prime Barca.
All people are saying is if after 2.5 years, the team cannot resemble a cohesive footballing side, then there are serious problems and serious questions need to be asked.
How many good performances have we had this season? How many times have we played a match and you can say this team knows what it's doing and knows how to go about its business? Are you seeing a side that is evolving tactically and improving in it's way of playing...heck, what's our way of playing? We look like the footballing version of Boris Johnson. Obviously not prepared but quite good at bluffing its way to a result.
We consistently and that the key CONSISTENLY produce poor performances. Just close your eyes to the results for one(they're not even that great). We are consistently below par. This isn't his first season at some point, you have to start looking at how we are playing.
You have your head stuck somewhere if you think people want him to fail. Some people have no faith that he's good enough. There's a difference.
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It’s become too divided now for reason. I don’t believe anyone watches us and thinks we’re evolving or that we play good football but we’re doing better than last season in the league.

If results are all that matter Ole deserves more time as it stands. However, the irony of a former United player who ‘gets the club’ deciding to set up in the manner he does with the players he has at his disposal should not be lost on anyone.
 
90 + 5min said:
Next year we should be winning some trophies. No question about that. But definitly fighting for 1st place.

I don't have blind faith and never will. I'm looking at this with open mind and seeing thigs for what they are.

And just so you know. I rather win league with boring park the buss - games then coming 2 with 200 goals and ultra attackin beautifle style. But that's just me.


Optimist or not but I do expect us in the battle. We are not far from it. If now some team doesn't get 100 crazy points. If we don't fight for the title next year we should be looking at why and how and if that means changing managment then so be it. But for now we are making progress.
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We’re not close, we need to improve dramatically to get close to City next season or hope they collapse similar to Liverpool.

How anyone can watch City and watch us and think we are in anyway close is beyond me.
 
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@Kush fantastic posts mate, agree with every single word you’re saying. I genuinely don’t have your patience in pointing out obvious to people and get angry really quickly as a result. I know it’s all about opinions at the end of the day but it’s annoying that we’ll be wasting more years on Ole (same as with Jose et al.) because as a fan base we’re unable to put real pressure on the board since many still see him as a good fit for us.
 
Ole plays a boring and rather disorganised football which relies heavily on our stars bailing him out. The guy is a top man manager but nothing else
 
tomaldinho1 said:
It’s become too divided now for reason. I don’t believe anyone watches us and thinks we’re evolving or that we play good football but we’re doing better than last season in the league.

If results are all that matter Ole deserves more time as it stands. However, the irony of a former United player who ‘gets the club’ deciding to set up in the manner he does with the players he has at his disposal should not be lost on anyone.
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If and buts of course but we would be nowhere near 2nd if Liverpool haven’t capitulated and Chelsea had sacked Lampard earlier (I hope people can see the parallels here too btw).
 
Kush said:
I quoted that poster because he was using a straw-man argument to justify his rant. There's not a single poster on here who sees us winning the PL/Quadruple as barometer of success.

Who were we missing today apart from Rashford? Ole chose to rest Shaw/Bruno before the International break, that's on him. Nobody asked him to play Bruno in 2nd leg vs Real Sociedad when we were 4-0 up. Need I remind you he only made 1 sub as we drew 0-0 with Palace? Or the countless matches where he has chosen to keep Rashford/Bruno and many other regulars for full 90 even though the said player was playing crap and setup was not working? This is one of many Ole's shortcomings.



Considering Burnley have 1/20th of the budget we do, no I don't want us to have an identity like Burnley. My minimum expectations is for us to string few passes together and look like a team who have some semblance of idea what they are doing when they attack. I see this purpose when I watch Brighton, but I don't, even after 5 windows under Solskjaer when it comes to us. Our off the ball movement is still as static as it was an year or two ago.



I know he is in his 2nd full season, and we are a million miles away from City. Also, we ourselves are not so further ahead of likes of Leicester/Chelsea/even Liverpool to take 2nd as a minimum ceiling, where we would automatically improve upon it and challenge City next season. We finished 2nd in 17/18 with 81pts, but everyone knew we weren't the 2nd best side in the division because of how poor our football was, and how many wins we barely scraped through. That pattern is repeating again this season, and many posters like you and others can't recognize it.

I wish we battled for PL next season, but I am under no delusions that Ole is even remotely capable manager to do that. Our drop off after hitting top of the PL was alarming. 1 loss and 3 draws in next 5. Those dropped points were against Sheffield, West Brom, Arsenal and Everton.
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Agree with every word there
 
Kush said:
I quoted that poster because he was using a straw-man argument to justify his rant. There's not a single poster on here who sees us winning the PL/Quadruple as barometer of success.

Who were we missing today apart from Rashford? Ole chose to rest Shaw/Bruno before the International break, that's on him. Nobody asked him to play Bruno in 2nd leg vs Real Sociedad when we were 4-0 up. Need I remind you he only made 1 sub as we drew 0-0 with Palace? Or the countless matches where he has chosen to keep Rashford/Bruno and many other regulars for full 90 even though the said player was playing crap and setup was not working? This is one of many Ole's shortcomings.

Considering Burnley have 1/20th of the budget we do, no I don't want us to have an identity like Burnley. My minimum expectations is for us to string few passes together and look like a team who have some semblance of idea what they are doing when they attack. I see this purpose when I watch Brighton, but I don't, even after 5 windows under Solskjaer when it comes to us. Our off the ball movement is still as static as it was an year or two ago.

I know he is in his 2nd full season, and we are a million miles away from City. Also, we ourselves are not so further ahead of likes of Leicester/Chelsea/even Liverpool to take 2nd as a minimum ceiling, where we would automatically improve upon it and challenge City next season. We finished 2nd in 17/18 with 81pts, but everyone knew we weren't the 2nd best side in the division because of how poor our football was, and how many wins we barely scraped through. That pattern is repeating again this season, and many posters like you and others can't recognize it.

I wish we battled for PL next season, but I am under no delusions that Ole is even remotely capable manager to do that. Our drop off after hitting top of the PL was alarming. 1 loss and 3 draws in next 5. Those dropped points were against Sheffield, West Brom, Arsenal and Everton.
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There are posters in here who want him gone just because he isn't a big or cool name. And yes, there are posters that have a win or sack-thinking. Why would these kind of threads just be full with posters after draw or lost game. But when we win, it is like calm water. No crticism of patterns, of play of anything. Just silent happiness.

He needed to rotate players. Some of them are tired and with game played Thursday night in Milano it wasn't just to put "best" players out. Players needed rest. Players like Cavani, Shaw, McTominay and Fernandes would have started including Rashford if they were 100% fit. Pogba would have played whole game. So we missed some players. What he did or not did wrong in other games is irrelevant in this discusson and is something for another discussion about how he rotates players. We didn't have best team for this game. Neither did Leicester.

Nothing is guarantee in this league. There are to many good teams. But I do expect fight for title next year.
 
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There are posters in here who want him gone just because he isn't a big or cool name. And yes, there are posters that have a win or sack-thinking. Why would these kind of threads just be full with posters after draw or lost game. But when we win, it is like calm water. No crticism of patterns, of play of anything. Just silent happiness.

He needed to rotate players. Some of them are tired and with game played Thursday night in Milano it wasn't just to put "best" players out. Players needed rest. Players like Cavani, Shaw, McTominay and Fernandes would have started including Rashford if they were 100% fit. Pogba would have played whole game. So we missed some players. What he did or not did wrong in other games is irrelevant in this discusson and is something for another discussion about how he rotates players. We didn't have best team for this game. Neither did Leicester.

Nothing is guarantee in this league. There are to many good teams. But I do expect fight for title next year.
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Dont do that to yourself, its the hope that kills you.
 
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There are posters in here who want him gone just because he isn't a big or cool name. And yes, there are posters that have a win or sack-thinking.
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I don't deny either of that. For me, ultimately it boils down to him not being good enough for us. He did a good job to stabilize us post-Mourinho, his signings have been overall beneficial to the squad as a whole. But, tactically I'm still unconvinced with him, as I was when he first took over.

The quality of football is genuinely my biggest gripe. After project restart, we played best bit of football post-Fergie years. If, Ole were able to replicate that consistency in football through this season, I'd be backing him to the tilt. But, he hasn't. It's regressing, our movement off the ball is still so poor, we can't string many passes together in the final third, it's just extremely disjointed and we routinely look out of ideas.

Why would these kind of threads just be full with posters after draw or lost game. But when we win, it is like calm water. No crticism of patterns, of play of anything. Just silent happiness.
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Because, this thread is like a groundhog day after every match. Win/lose/draw, you have those in his favor/out of favor writing what has already been written and discussed ad-nauseam.

He needed to rotate players. Some of them are tired and with game played Thursday night in Milano it wasn't just to put "best" players out. Players needed rest. Players like Cavani, Shaw, McTominay and Fernandes would have started including Rashford if they were 100% fit. Pogba would have played whole game. So we missed some players. What he did or not did wrong in other games is irrelevant in this discusson and is something for another discussion about how he rotates players. We didn't have best team for this game. Neither did Leicester.
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His management of squad has been poor. No team is blessed with a squad like City, but he can manage minutes of his star players better. Bruno looks spent to me, even when he starts, same with Rashford, and it's showing in his performances. I still see no reason as to why Ole couldn't sub Rashford off vs Palace where he was absolutely shocking, and sub in Diallo for last 25 mins? Why he couldn't rest Bruno in the 2nd leg vs Sociedad? I understand our reserves aren't the best quality, but they can still be used to rotate star players in and out.

Nothing is guarantee in this league. There are to many good teams. But I do expect fight for title next year.
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I hope we do fight for the title, but I just don't see it happening under him. In case, if we don't, I hope you are consistent enough to recognize it.

Rajma said:
@Kush fantastic posts mate, agree with every single word you’re saying. I genuinely don’t have your patience in pointing out obvious to people and get angry really quickly as a result. I know it’s all about opinions at the end of the day but it’s annoying that we’ll be wasting more years on Ole (same as with Jose et al.) because as a fan base we’re unable to put real pressure on the board since many still see him as a good fit for us.
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Cheers, I'm just disappointed by how our fanbase have lowered their standards so much for Ole. Constant revisionism thread after thread, where he's being excused of blame. No other manager post-Fergie has been able to ride out as many "bumps" as he has. It just hurts that we are actually renewing his contract, meaning our aspirations are tied to finishing in Top 4 and nothing beyond that.
 
kouroux said:
Having followed for a big portion of SAF's tenure, I consider that I've had a fill of trophies and great memories for a lifetime. I'm not gonna say that I don't care about trophies because that would be a lie but my priority is watching a coherent football with decent football more often and Ole's Utd doesn't deliver it.
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Preach. I almost don't care about the results.
 
They were pressing with their front line and midfielders, whilst we have Pogba on LW, why didn't we attempt to play the ball straight to him off goal kicks to avoid the press? We didn't even attempt it once, Ole should've told them to start switching it up with getting the ball forward.
 
Kush said:
Utterly pointless these kind of posts, you are picking narratives out of thin air to stick up for your man. Who in here is asking Ole to win the PL? We are asking for us to look like a cohesive footballing side, week in week out, have some sort of footballing identity which is visible. But it's not, we look like a disjointed mess most games, bereft of ideas how to break open the game. We are scraping through many wins in PL but our performances are still poor. How can you easily identify players aren't good enough, but not recognize the manager is not cut out for the job either?

Leicester today were without Barnes, Maddison, Justin (3 of their best players this season) and comfortably outplayed us. Ole has spent in excess of £300m in his tenure here (only City have spent more than us during this period), that's a significant sum of money. Expectations in here at a record low if fans don't expect us to beat an injury riddled Leicester side.

Also, keep in mind, it was Ole himself who in his own words, expected us to contend for PL in his 3rd season. As it stands, we are a million miles away from them and don't stand any chance to "contend" next season. Expectations were set by him 2 seasons ago, but now we have fans like you re-writing expectations just because?
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Im literally quoting others posts, im not plucking narratives out of thin air. Trying to pretend to be reasonable now doesnt work. Its out first away defeat in 13 months ffs. How easy do you think football is that we can achieve that and not be a cohesive side? Klopp wouldn't be 6th, Jose wouldn't be out of EL and mid table and Lampard wouldn't be fired.
Theres a difference in not liking how we play and pretending we dont know how to.
Theres a difference in expecting to beat Leicester and having a shit fit with the sky falling in because they beat us.
You talk about expectationss but feck me we are playing above expectations going by the pre season thoughts on here.
 
pascell said:
They were pressing with their front line and midfielders, whilst we have Pogba on LW, why didn't we attempt to play the ball straight to him off goal kicks to avoid the press? We didn't even attempt it once, Ole should've told them to start switching it up with getting the ball forward.
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Because Ole thinks that by playing the ball to our CBs all the time, he will draw the opposition high, and will be able to play the only way he knows: counter attack.

Which could in theory be a smart approach, but not when the people in charge of initiating our attacks are Maguire, Lindelof, Bissaka, Fred and McT. It's not a fluke that 90% of our attacks go through the left side.

But then, once we get forward, other problems show up:
1. our attackers don't move into space, instead they pull back, return the ball to our defenders/fred, and then stay in non threateaning positions
2. when slowly manage to bring the ball forward, all our players condense in the same space
3. when we ultimately lose the ball, our players look stunned, and there is no sense of getting stuck in and fighting for it.

Rinse and repeat.
 
cyberman said:
Im literally quoting others posts, im not plucking narratives out of thin air. Trying to pretend to be reasonable now doesnt work. Its out first away defeat in 13 months ffs. How easy do you think football is that we can achieve that and not be a cohesive side? Klopp wouldn't be 6th, Jose wouldn't be out of EL and mid table and Lampard wouldn't be fired.
Theres a difference in not liking how we play and pretending we dont know how to.
Theres a difference in expecting to beat Leicester and having a shit fit with the sky falling in because they beat us.
You talk about expectationss but feck me we are playing above expectations going by the pre season thoughts on here.
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I keep seeing people say this but I don’t get why. Pretty much everyone had Liverpool or City as 1 or 2 and then United or Chelsea as 3 or 4. BBC did the poll and 22 of their 24 football pundits all had that top four.

Given we clearly aren’t finishing 1st (which no one expected us to) and there’s only 6 points between us and Chelsea in 4th, we’re very much bang on for what everyone thought surely?
 
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