we do have patterns of play. They are just breaking down because Rashford and Martial can’t create. Who else can the manager play there?
We are an awfully coached team
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we do have patterns of play. They are just breaking down because Rashford and Martial can’t create. Who else can the manager play there?
Wait for what? League titel? Well, I don't think anyone have said that we could win this year. What did you expect this year? Winning everything?
If he has take us as far as he can? I can't answer that. Nobody can. I've said before that he needs to be given time and that next season is the season I will have expectations. If we stay 2nd and win some trophy, we could say it was a good season. Could we?
Pep failed to beat West Brom earlier in the season. As did Klopp.
How is that even a debate?
Or " just give the ball to Bruno" when Ole is feeling inspired.
Don't let that get in the way of confirming an opinion you already hold, right?
I think this perfectly sums up where I am as well. I imagine the last two years would have been pretty cathartic for players like Martial, Rashford, Shaw, Pogba etc who looked devoid of confidence in Mourinho's final years. Psychologically, I think he's had a good effect on the team.
But beyond looking like we have the grit to fight back when we're playing badly (which to be honest is just as much down to Bruno), we don't look all that improved over the course of a 90 minute game.
And once Ole puts himself in the same bracket managerial wise as Pep and Klopp then the comparison might be valid.
Why next season and not the 2.5 years that has gone? What do you expect him to do differently that he has not done for the past two years? So going by your standards we should have given the likes of Moyes 4 years as well before we can start expecting something?
City are the start of the season and City in this form is a whole different game.
FYI, Ole deserves this season at least. Top 4 and cup and it's a very good season for me.
But the patterns under Ole have been there for a while now, the patchy winning runs, looking rather lost against deep lying teams and not being dominant for a full 90.
But putting Rashford on the right wing, when he doesn't want to use his left foot at all is rather pointless, IMO. Rashford has to be play on the left, or not play at all. Putting players into positions they're not conformable in doesn't help.
Nobody is close to Pep in my opinion. But it's stupid to say things like we would have definitely won with him in charge.
Who are these teams flying past us? Only city is consistent. The rest are as bad as us or worse.
Man City had 26 shots that day. We had 10 and West Brom had better chances today.
Yes City are far better than us. I agree.
You see players making the same moves, passes and mistakes in every game, this has to be down to coaching levels or the players are either not capable of understanding what is required or do not have the required skill level to execute what the coaches expect of them.
Looking at the squad I would say it is clearly down to the coaching staff, as I have said before our coaches do not have the level of experience to develop a team or playing systems to take us to the next level.
At this level you cannot have coaches learning on the job as we have in Carrick and Fletcher, plus I believe that we have a manager who has taken the team as far as he can, however, I cannot see him leaving anytime soon and if that is the case then we need to improve the quality of our coaching staff to work with him.
Looking at the squad I would say it is clearly down to the coaching staff, as I have said before our coaches do not have the level of experience to develop a team or playing systems to take us to the next level.
At this level you cannot have coaches learning on the job as we have in Carrick and Fletcher, plus I believe that we have a manager who has taken the team as far as he can, however, I cannot see him leaving anytime soon and if that is the case then we need to improve the quality of our coaching staff to work with him.
We need an injection of something new, be it different coaches to work with Ole or new players. We've seen far too many performances just like this, its not a one off, it wasn't one of those days, it was a rather typical game from this group.
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Yeah but the stubborn one won't ask for it because that would be admitting he's wrong
It’s weird how everyone universally acknowledges that 2 or 3 real quality signings is what got Liverpool over the line from challenging to dominating. Our recruitment has been way off for years and Ole has us close(ish) while going into the season with Rashford Martial Greenwood and Cavani as our strikers/wingers. Not an ounce of creativity there and it should have been addressed last summer but it never is
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Better coached too.
It's the same old cycle of playing well for a while and then ultimately fading away. We are a confidence team, when tails are up everyone's running moving closing-down and things just come together through sheer collective will. When that confidence wanes, ball moves slowly, everyone's static and we look like a group of individuals who've never played together before. We have yet to become a team with clear defined roles when it comes to progressing the ball forward as a unit. You can't just swap a player out and expect us to maintain a similar structure for example, it all completely changes from game-to-game sub-to-sub and you can see it in our player's movements that they don't know where they should expect each other to be - it's all done on the fly.
It's great we have had world class talents like Bruno and Pogba to get us through games, it's why they earn the big bucks. But it's not a sustainable way to play if the aim is to be successful in winning trophies.
It's great we have had world class talents like Bruno and Pogba to get us through games, it's why they earn the big bucks. But it's not a sustainable way to play if the aim is to be successful in winning trophies.
Yes they have the best coach. Also the best players.
Title? Feck, I am talking about top 4.
Don’t people compare Ole with those guys all the time? It’s fine to compare him with them to put him down but not to defend him. Is how it looks to me.
We do if he’d change the system - far too rigid in playing 2 sitting midfielders. You’d think he’d get the idea by now with how many times we struggle against low block teams.
Why not try a midfield 3? Donny & Bruno ahead of one of Fred/McT/Matic... Instead, we’ll just plod on with the 4-2-3-1 with the back four and Mcfred passing it sideways to each other.
You can predict what we will do in attack every time. Not so in defence because they don’t even know what the ++++ they are going to do. The coaches can coach all they like, but if it doesn’t sink in, then we all could do the job.
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@rotherham_red
Not looking for a tit for tat but genuinely curious to know your thoughts on games like today (bearing in mind it’s the third performance of this ilk literally in the last three weeks)
You were very strong in your opinions that our football is much better than under previous regimes.
What’s your take on performances like today? Against Sheff Utd? And how does it measure to some of the games under van Gaal and Mourinho?
@rotherham_red
Not looking for a tit for tat but genuinely curious to know your thoughts on games like today (bearing in mind it’s the third performance of this ilk literally in the last three weeks)
You were very strong in your opinions that our football is much better than under previous regimes.
What’s your take on performances like today? Against Sheff Utd? And how does it measure to some of the games under van Gaal and Mourinho?
This is the issue atm.
People pile on Martial because it's fashionable and, to be fair, he gives them plenty of ammunition, but practically all our forwards are struggling.
Rashford has the same flaws now that he had under Mourinho. James and Van der Beek have added nothing since they came. Lingard has gone from a WC semi-finalist to a discard.
Bruno is the only one who's thriving and he's been the same since he arrived.
Ole needs to do himself a favour and bring in a coach who can get more out of these attackers. Is Mulensteen still available?
People pile on Martial because it's fashionable and, to be fair, he gives them plenty of ammunition, but practically all our forwards are struggling.
Rashford has the same flaws now that he had under Mourinho. James and Van der Beek have added nothing since they came. Lingard has gone from a WC semi-finalist to a discard.
Bruno is the only one who's thriving and he's been the same since he arrived.
Ole needs to do himself a favour and bring in a coach who can get more out of these attackers. Is Mulensteen still available?
This relatively poor run has contained only one defeat, hasn’t it? As far as I recall.
The football has still been better than previous regimes and even if not winning we are working the ball and bossing possession and scoring goals.
It’s no secret but it’s the lack of clean sheets in these scrappy games against the low-blockers that cost us the points. If the defence cut out silly errors just half of the time, we’d still be up with city.
Coaches make mistakes and I thought we made some today but the overall curve is very much upwards.
The football has still been better than previous regimes and even if not winning we are working the ball and bossing possession and scoring goals.
It’s no secret but it’s the lack of clean sheets in these scrappy games against the low-blockers that cost us the points. If the defence cut out silly errors just half of the time, we’d still be up with city.
Coaches make mistakes and I thought we made some today but the overall curve is very much upwards.
It's terrible if we can't beat the top bottom teams. As others have said we get individual brilliance to get us to win games.
Even Brighton play better football than us.
Even Brighton play better football than us.
Ole needs a coach.
Yeah. A skills coach like Muelensteen could do wonders for our forwards.
No they don’t.
For sure. Ole seems great for the man management but we need a proper coach on the training pitch. We even had Carlos & Rene under Fergie, who was a much better coach than Ole. Ole, Carrick & McKenna all inexperienced or not good enough
No, they really don't.
This is the route I wanted us to go down at the end of last season. It just seems this team desperately needs some fresh ideas, some invention. Ole clearly is a good man manager, but even Fergie didn't do it all alone. I'm not convinced what Ole has on his bench currently is the best we can do, in fact I'm sure its not.
You're acting like you're a board member
it doesn't matter what route you wanted to go down.You're acting like you're a board member
What a bizarre post. Nothing we say on here actually matters babe, we all know that.
???You're acting like you're a board member