So true its frustrating
We are an awfully coached team
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It’s going to be maddening watching DVB at his new side. We’d be talking about one of the best midfielders in the world if he was playing for Pep or Klopp.
I think the expectation was that he would sit deeper and Maguire would push forward more, like how Varane sat more and Ramos was more aggressive and the main guy in buildup, but we're hardly Madrid in terms of moving the ball so he's less of a deep sweeper here.
Can some tell me exactly why we ever signed the carthorse that is Maguire ? He rarely wins a header in the box and is fortunate he hasn't given more pens away, he barely gets of the ground at corners without pulling on opponents. IMO we should have gone for Mings, at least he competes in the air and is a hell of a lot faster. When he and Alex played together at Villa they were superb, admittedly in the championship but even so they were an outstanding duo at the centre of defence. And why is it we never have any cover round the back at corners ? We must have conceded more far post goals than the rest of the Premiership put together. Do we actually have a defensive coach or do we rely on Ole, an ex opportunist striker ?
The most concerning game for me is the Villa one. I dont see us scoring in that game even if we play another 90 mins. Attacking is a big pile of turd
Agreed. Biggest bollocks I have seen spouted by Ole fans. Hire coach X Y Z, then what does our club pay him for ? Be a cheerleader ? A mascot aside Fred the Red ?
That's exactly what he is and why he is still there. Did you think he was hired for his coaching abilities or his track record of coaching?
Only way Ole gets removed is if the fans turn on him, as judging by the poor performances of late, that may be coming sooner than later.
or perhaps it comes down to more of Ole v Ronaldo, Ole won't win that.
I think what could happen is the senior players turn on Ole after one too many tactical disaster classes. Top players know the difference between good mangers and someone like Ole
Funny how Ronaldo seems happy and delighted with the win.
Football is like this, you play awful, tactics is atrocious. You win, tactics is wonderful. You play bad but still win, you're championship material!
Players don't talk about tactics after the game, they only talk if they play good or bad.
Our players playing badly at the moment, they will get some form running and we play exceptional football again.
Funny how Ronaldo seems happy and delighted with the win.
Football is like this, you play awful, tactics is atrocious. You win, tactics is wonderful. You play bad but still win, you're championship material!
Players don't talk about tactics after the game, they only talk if they play good or bad.
Everyone was delighted we finally won after the bad results and performances of the games prior.
Yeah. But for 3 years we didn't see Bruno, Rashford, Pogba came out and criticize Ole.
You said anytime can happen, but it has been 3 years.
And in those moments when we lose important games, they always talk about how they played badly, nothing about the tactics or coaching.
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Ole has had over 3 years to implement a style, as hes admitted recently he’s still trying to work out his style of play, he still cant play against a low block successfully for some reason.
During the Villareal game did you notice how bad we pass the ball about as a team? Apart from Bruno or Pogba all we do is pass the ball side ways, theres no penetration or playing a ball through the lines. Its as if we are scared to try a through ball for fear of losing the ball. Very frustrating
Basically he is hired to bring good vibes. Might as well hire a weed dealer as our manager then
Funny how Ronaldo seems happy and delighted with the win.
Football is like this, you play awful, tactics is atrocious. You win, tactics is wonderful. You play bad but still win, you're championship material!
Players don't talk about tactics after the game, they only talk if they play good or bad.
Our players playing badly at the moment, they will get some form running and we play exceptional football again.
This is true and i think a lot of people forget that admist the poor performances.
Besides Leeds and Newcastle we've really had a pretty poor start to the season performance wise, but we've shown we are capable of playing much better then we are currently doing
Now of course if we keep performing like we have done lately we are in trouble, but i doubt that will be the case
Not in any way being smart...but exactly when have we shown that we are capable of playing much better other than our counter attacking displays against City etc.?
Seriously, on balance, if you can only point to let’s say 10 games out of the 100 odd Ole has been in charge- would you say that shows we are capable of playing much better or would it not be fair to say that on those occasions things went right for us?
Leeds open up and let us in so those games suit us, Southampton lost a man early and have form for capitulation...But beyond that, say RB last year, we were shit for most of that game and look at the result...surely you’re no talking about games like that.
I’m serious, let’s collectively try with our memories and our brains remember some non-counter attacking games where we all said afterward-great 90 minutes lads.
My point is, if it only happens that we do it once or twice a season it’s the exception - not the rule - meaning we are in fact a poor “footballing” side with talented footballers who drag us kicking and screaming through the end of games.(unless we set up without the ball and counter attack...where we actually look solid and dangerous)
December - February last season and post lockdown in 19/20 we had a sustained run of good/decent performances. Also Oles time as caretaker, but i dont know if that should count
You dont end up 2nd in the league while playing like complete shit for 90% of the games. Thats not possible
Funny how Ronaldo seems happy and delighted with the win.
Football is like this, you play awful, tactics is atrocious. You win, tactics is wonderful. You play bad but still win, you're championship material!
Players don't talk about tactics after the game, they only talk if they play good or bad.
Our players playing badly at the moment, they will get some form running and we play exceptional football again.
Again? When was the last time? About a decade ago.
Don’t get me started on how we ended up second!!!!
I’ll respectfully disagree and go make some toast.
Who are Ole mates?
Wow. Todays teamsheet????
what is ole doing? Its internationals next week so no need to rest players!!
Martial? McFred?
Pogba, ronaldo, sancho? Bench
WTF is going on??
what is ole doing? Its internationals next week so no need to rest players!!
Martial? McFred?
Pogba, ronaldo, sancho? Bench
WTF is going on??
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I don’t think there’s a worse manager in the PL than what we have.
And I mean that.
And I mean that.
Not sure about Mings. Not his biggest fan. But I'm also not the biggest fan of Maguire, either. The thing is, he's a decent defender who's been elevated way above his ability. He automatically plays every game when fit, he was made captain, and he's the first player on the team sheet. Basically, the responsibility he now has in this team is not commensurate with his ability. But that's the problem when you spend 80 million on someone and immediately make them captain. You put so much stock in them that they almost have to play.
Been saying this for some time, he gained captain status & became untouchable despite a number of questionable performances; Ive listed them too many times on here.
He’s far from the worst CB but we should never have spent £80mil on him at that time; bar the season José actively tried to get sacked we conceded the most goals in a EPL season for some time. The idea of Maguire is far better than the player himself.
Pogba and Ronaldo should be on the bench. They were lazy against Villareal. Enter lazy Martial instead.
We have looked shit for two games in a row now. I dont blame Ole for changing it up when he has so many options to choose from.
the moaners thread is popping off. what was a thread about coaching has turned into the moaners 'ole performance thread' to discuss anything and everything that they want to moan about. today it is teamsheet, not coaching
It does speak to the fact that we seem to only play well in moments though, which kind of supports the idea that we're a group of talented individuals but don't play well as a cohesive unit. The number of solid 90 minutes performances are surprisingly few and far between, given that he's been around for, what, 150 games plus?
Ole can't win on RedCafe 
Was he not criticized for not rotating enough previously? And weren't some people in here also afraid that Ronaldo was gonna run the club with Ole being too scared to bench him?
You can whine about McFred as much as you want, but it's still our best midfield-two. I'm glad that our manager isn't a hysteric mess that will change the midfield constantly in a desperate attempt to find magic that clearly isn't there. If the average RedCafe poster was allowed to pick our starting XI(and nothing else), then we would have been relegated long ago.
Was he not criticized for not rotating enough previously? And weren't some people in here also afraid that Ronaldo was gonna run the club with Ole being too scared to bench him?You can whine about McFred as much as you want, but it's still our best midfield-two. I'm glad that our manager isn't a hysteric mess that will change the midfield constantly in a desperate attempt to find magic that clearly isn't there. If the average RedCafe poster was allowed to pick our starting XI(and nothing else), then we would have been relegated long ago.
The team is not an issue. The players he brought in should be good enough.
We should win today but it's the issue of his tactics.
As the two Owens said it's not an issue with Pogba but the tactic.
We should win today but it's the issue of his tactics.
As the two Owens said it's not an issue with Pogba but the tactic.
Ole can't win on RedCafe
You can whine about McFred as much as you want, but it's still our best midfield-two. I'm glad that our manager isn't a hysteric mess that will change the midfield constantly in a desperate attempt to find magic that clearly isn't there. If the average RedCafe poster was allowed to pick our starting XI(and nothing else), then we would have been relegated long ago.
First point I agree with. Rotation is needed.
McFred is not needed. Experiment with other combinations especially when it's clear McTominay is playing injured and not up to his standards. DVB has performed well enough in limited gametime to deserve a start, especially since we played midweek. Ole has some obsession with the McFred pairing, and it's bad. Up front, it makes no sense that Martial starts over Lingard or Sancho. Both of them have shown more in the past month than Martial in the past two years and even if you factor in rotation, they deserve it more.
It's like he doesn't even value how you perform in a game, I don't know if it's all about how they are in training or what, but when he keeps playing players who underperform, of course people are going to criticize him.
@Flytan
Martial could have looked very sharp in training. Lingard is better as an impact-sub, imo. Sancho has had a rough start and unfortunately been one of our worst performers. I have no problem seeing Martial starting over him right now(not long term). Also, it doesn't hurt to have one or two surprises in your starting XI. It can throw the opponent off. Fergie also did this from time to time.
McFred has been our most stable and balanced midfield-two. It's as simple as that.
VDB has been poor apart from that one game where he did OK.
Martial could have looked very sharp in training. Lingard is better as an impact-sub, imo. Sancho has had a rough start and unfortunately been one of our worst performers. I have no problem seeing Martial starting over him right now(not long term). Also, it doesn't hurt to have one or two surprises in your starting XI. It can throw the opponent off. Fergie also did this from time to time.
McFred has been our most stable and balanced midfield-two. It's as simple as that.
VDB has been poor apart from that one game where he did OK.
‘The winner of this game might go top of the league’, cutting edge analysis there boss.
Either very Brave or incredibly stupid by ole.
I'm thinking it's the latter but I'd love to be proven wrong. Sadly I don't think I will be.
I'm thinking it's the latter but I'd love to be proven wrong. Sadly I don't think I will be.
We will ultimately end up wasting 100's of millions if ole is kept on in charge if united.
We will lose pogba for free because he is fed up of not winning anything under a manager that bottles it all the time and will never be able to lead united to a champions league or league title win.
Donny will never amount to anything under a manager that loves a two man defensive pairing in midfield.
Sancho I think is suffering massively and will just get worse under a manager that is technically and tactically inept in his coaching.
We will lose pogba for free because he is fed up of not winning anything under a manager that bottles it all the time and will never be able to lead united to a champions league or league title win.
Donny will never amount to anything under a manager that loves a two man defensive pairing in midfield.
Sancho I think is suffering massively and will just get worse under a manager that is technically and tactically inept in his coaching.
Neither.
Seeing as Maguire is injured, 9 out of these 11 players would start anyways. And Ronaldo and Pogba might genuinely need a rest, you know.
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Our most stable yes, I'd argue against our most balanced. Defensive is not balanced, not at all imo.
How can a team that play with 2 holding midfielders (mcfred) be so exposed???
Everton have walked through, 3 or 4 times already.!!
Something is very wrong
Everton have walked through, 3 or 4 times already.!!
Something is very wrong