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Everyone fit, I don't think he'll make the 18 this season.

If he holds out any hope of returning for England, he'll go.

Unless he puts in a transfer request which is never going to happen (this time!) he's probably contractually entitled to some kind of pay off from the club, so expect his camp to play hardball over that.

Still think he'll go this summer though. Not much left for him here footballing wise now. We're moving on.
 
ilovethisgameahahah said:
Just offer to buy out his contract at 1/2 to 3/4 of what it's worth, cut the losses and be done with it. There's no place for him in the squad now and i don't want him and his lifestyle choices anywhere near the young players we have coming through.
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Do you have any recent examples? He's not stepped out of line for a very long time.

Buying out his contract makes no sense what so ever. He'd want to full amount, no idea where people get the idea he can be forced to take a reduced payout? Club are at fault for not negotiating a better deal for them with him. Rooney isn't at fault for wanting what he's due.

As for his contract, part of it, is that he becomes a club Ambassador when he retires, so he'll be around a very long time indeed.
 
Red_toad said:
Do you have any recent examples? He's not stepped out of line for a very long time.

Buying out his contract makes no sense what so ever. He'd want to full amount, no idea where people get the idea he can be forced to take a reduced payout? Club are at fault for not negotiating a better deal for them with him. Rooney isn't at fault for wanting what he's due.

As for his contract, part of it, is that he becomes a club Ambassador when he retires, so he'll be around a very long time indeed.
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He lost his place in the England squad for going on a bender in the middle of international duty not so long ago and he's constantly frumpy and out of shape (please don't say it's his normal body type). It makes total sense if no one bids for him, there's no use for him in the squad and he won't want to train everyday to be part of the furniture. He will more than likely be willing to take a reduced buy out and accept a lower contract offer from a small club, it would essentially mean he lost no money from the transfer.
 
ilovethisgameahahah said:
He lost his place in the England squad for going on a bender in the middle of international duty not so long ago and he's constantly frumpy and out of shape (please don't say it's his normal body type). It makes total sense if no one bids for him, there's no use for him in the squad and he won't want to train everyday to be part of the furniture. He will more than likely be willing to take a reduced buy out and accept a lower contract offer from a small club, it would essentially mean he lost no money from the transfer.
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How exactly do you know what he's willing to accept? He has a contract for another year with an option for a year on top. Plus club ambassador once he retires. Do you not understand he holds all the cards? He'll be around a long time, move on and get over it.
As for him being frumpy, Jose hasn't mentioned once his lack of effort in training, nor his influence on other players. People are just hung up that the club gave him a fantastic contract, the club are at fault, I don't see why fans are letting this bother them or blaming Rooney. I'd give my left one to be a squad player at United, yet Rooney is being vilified for his actions?
 
I just saw this:



We should never have played him against those retired defenders, in the Carrick testimonial.
Even those who were thinking of signing him on a free, would've ended their interest, after that game.
 
Red_toad said:
How exactly do you know what he's willing to accept? He has a contract for another year with an option for a year on top. Plus club ambassador once he retires. Do you not understand he holds all the cards? He'll be around a long time, move on and get over it.
As for him being frumpy, Jose hasn't mentioned once his lack of effort in training, nor his influence on other players. People are just hung up that the club gave him a fantastic contract, the club are at fault, I don't see why fans are letting this bother them or blaming Rooney. I'd give my left one to be a squad player at United, yet Rooney is being vilified for his actions?
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He isn't 'squad player at United' level though. He's not a Totti, Scholes, Carrick or Giggs who all had something to offer well into their 30's, he's utterly shit at football.

Of course Jose hasn't called out the team captain in public, he learnt a lot when he did it to Casillas. If Rooney wants to sit around on his arse collecting his paycheck for the next 2 years then fine, he has every right to do that. It will correctly cause further damage to his legacy and reputation in the eyes of the majority of the fans though.
 
He'll be in the reserve's next year hopefully. I'd be annoyed if he's included in the CL squad.

Not worthy of the bench.
 
hellohello said:
I've felt this for a while, and I still honestly don't think you can give him away at the moment unless you heavily subsidize his wages, and even then I don't think any club would accept him that Rooney would be tempted to play for. It's a really difficult situation.

In any case, does he have one or two years left on his contract? On Uniteds own webpage it said he renewed until 2019, and no mention of a +1 option for the club. Here
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Wait, that does say his contract runs until 2019.
What a fecking mess.
 
ilovethisgameahahah said:
He isn't squad player at United level though and of course Jose hasn't called out the team captain in public, he learnt a lot when he did it to Casillas. If Rooney wants to sit around on his arse collecting his paycheck for the next 2 years then fine, he has every right to do that. It will correctly cause further damage to his legacy and reputation in the eyes of the majority of the fans though.
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I'd doubt the club will activate the option year if he's not playing at a high standard.
He's a highly paid squad player look at his appearances this year, he's certainly not a starter and if everyone is fit he's out of the picture. Be even more so next season if we get all these lovely new players in.
 
Red_toad said:
I'd doubt the club will activate the option year if he's not playing at a high standard.
He's a highly paid squad player look at his appearances this year, he's certainly not a starter and if everyone is fit he's out of the picture. Be even more so next season if we get all these lovely new players in.
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The club statement doesn't say anything about an option.
It looks like he has two years left.
 
Werd. said:
If its down to mental burnout then yeh he would decline rapidly but there are zero excuses from a body shape point of view. Regardless of his body shape, he should still be able to maintain high standard of fitness levels. Rules are the same for all types of body shapes.



Ofcourse it is all down to the individual himself and how hard he works at it. He has all the resources necessary made available to him to maintain high levels of fitness yet he still can't do so and it isnt down to his body shape.
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When I'm talking about physicality I don't just mean bodyshape, I mean their entire physical make-up. Everyone is different. One small example is metabolism - some people metabolise food quicker than others and will therefore find it easier to keep weight off.
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
When I'm talking about physicality I don't just mean bodyshape, I mean their entire physical make-up. Everyone is different. One small example is metabolism - some people metabolise food quicker than others and will therefore find it easier to keep weight off.
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Whether the goal is to put on weight or lose weight it is all about calories in vs calories out and being strict enough to keep a track of calorie intake. It's the same rule for everyone and Rooney is no exception. He is just someone who is not disciplined enough in that aspect, that is all.
 
Werd. said:
Whether the goal is to put on weight or lose weight it is all about calories in vs calories out and being strict enough to keep a track of calorie intake. It's the same rule for everyone and Rooney is no exception. He is just someone who is not disciplined enough in that aspect, that is all.
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And the fact that he's played so many matches at a young age?
 
Werd. said:
Whether the goal is to put on weight or lose weight it is all about calories in vs calories out and being strict enough to keep a track of calorie intake. It's the same rule for everyone.
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It isn't 1999 mate, top level sports science and nutrition has largely moved beyond that archaic model. There are far more variables at play when discussing an individual's weight than caloric intake and expenditure including but not limited to deeply ingrained set points, bacterial biodiversity, individual basal metabolic rates, specific genetic markers, insulation sensitivity and to your point, quality of caloric intake. Calorie counting works for some people but it's a very limited way of looking at things.

This isn't a defence of Rooney mind you - he was physically gifted at a young age and effectively used those gifts as as a crutch to carry him through the early parts of his career. Once they started deserting him, he made no real effort to claw them back which is why he's in the position he is now.

Rooney is no exception. He is just someone who is not disciplined enough.
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Agree with this wholeheartedly though.
 
MrPooni said:
It isn't 1999 mate, top level sports science and nutrition has largely moved beyond that archaic model. There are far more variables at play when discussing an individual's weight than caloric intake and expenditure including but not limited to deeply ingrained set points, bacterial biodiversity, individual basal metabolic rates, specific genetic markers, insulation sensitivity and to your point, quality of caloric intake.
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What?

If we focus on one aspect, in order to lose weight, an individual has to create a caloric deficit to encourage the body to tap into its fat stores. There is no way around it unless ofcourse with a little "help". Now ofcourse everybody's daily caloric value to achieve weight loss is going to be different due to numerous factors (some of which you have listed in your post) and as you lose more weight, the caloric value will fluctuate, but it all essentially comes back to an individual's required daily caloric value to achieve the goal and ensuring that the body burns more than it has taken in (i.e - calores in vs calories out). This is where working out your BMR is needed as that is part of the required caloric value calculation so not sure if you fully understand the concept. Also, plateaus are normal during weight loss and can often be countered by dropping more calories or even cycling calories. I didnt say anything about quality of caloric intake, btw.

MrPooni said:
Calorie counting works for some people but it's a very limited way of looking at things.
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This statement in isolation does not make any sense at all. Why would counting calories work for some people and not for others?
 
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My problem with Rooney at this stage is that he offers nothing on the pitch. In fact, he often makes things worse when he gets in a match.

I thought he would have received the message from how Jose didn't use him last season. Afforded Rooney the opportunity this summer to leave gracefully and with the added bonus of granting the appearance of it being his choice & on his own terms.

If he does end up staying, it going to get ugly and that's not even adding in the pressure of it being a world cup year. It's time to remove the arm band. He just isn't good enough to make a typical match day squad and it will be criminal if he somehow manages to make most match day squads while holding back another player in the process.
 
If only he had held off playing footie until he was twenty his physique would be that of a top sportsman...:wenger:
 
sunama said:
I just saw this:



We should never have played him against those retired defenders, in the Carrick testimonial.
Even those who were thinking of signing him on a free, would've ended their interest, after that game.
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He was pretty bad alright.
 
PieCrust said:
If he does end up staying, it going to get ugly and that's not even adding in the pressure of it being a world cup year. It's time to remove the arm band. He just isn't good enough to make a typical match day squad and it will be criminal if he somehow manages to make most match day squads while holding back another player in the process.
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If that happens, it's entirely on Mourinho.

Just as the situation as such is entirely United's fault. Moyes and, ultimately, Woodward gave him that bloody contract in the first place.
 
MrPooni said:
It isn't 1999 mate, top level sports science and nutrition has largely moved beyond that archaic model. There are far more variables at play when discussing an individual's weight than caloric intake and expenditure including but not limited to deeply ingrained set points, bacterial biodiversity, individual basal metabolic rates, specific genetic markers, insulation sensitivity and to your point, quality of caloric intake. Calorie counting works for some people but it's a very limited way of looking at things.

This isn't a defence of Rooney mind you - he was physically gifted at a young age and effectively used those gifts as as a crutch to carry him through the early parts of his career. Once they started deserting him, he made no real effort to claw them back which is why he's in the position he is now.

Agree with this wholeheartedly though.
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Present me with ONE single research study (well peer reviewed) that proves that any of those factors are nothing more than minutiae compared to manipulation of energy balance (calorie counting).

Hint: you won't find one. It's all academic wankery. Interesting stuff for sure but calories are still king. Your patronising tone deserves a slap.
 
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MrPooni said:
It isn't 1999 mate, top level sports science and nutrition has largely moved beyond that archaic model. There are far more variables at play when discussing an individual's weight than caloric intake and expenditure including but not limited to deeply ingrained set points, bacterial biodiversity, individual basal metabolic rates, specific genetic markers, insulation sensitivity and to your point, quality of caloric intake. Calorie counting works for some people but it's a very limited way of looking at things.
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This needs @Zarlak's input.
 
Some people are naturally fitter than others and/or find it easier to maintain fitness than others. If you are naturally lean you will find it easier to stay sharp. Nobody will convince me otherwise.

That doesn't mean that Rooney doesn't also bear huge blame for not looking after himself properly during his career.

Personally I've intensely disliked him since the contract saga(s) and can't wait to see the back of him, but I don't think his rapid decline is solely down to factors within his control.
 
He posted a picture on instagram the other day of him and Colleen on holiday. I expect movement when he comes back but in the meantime the journos are just filling the column inches.
 
Minimalist said:
Present me with ONE single research study (well peer reviewed) that proves that any of those factors are nothing more than minutiae compared to manipulation of energy balance (calorie counting).

Hint: you won't find one. It's all academic wankery. Interesting stuff for sure but calories are still king. Your patronising tone deserves a slap.
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Not to jump into your debate but last year I went to the docs as always bloated and they did a blood test, negative for celiac but they still recommended just cutting out the old gluten trick to see what happens.

Ate the same amount etc but still lost close to 10lbs over the course of a few months with no other change to the diet at all other than cutting out wheat.

No idea about studies or whatever but there is something in some of these things, from personal experience that is too.
 
We need an rvn said:
Not to jump into your debate but last year I went to the docs as always bloated and they did a blood test, negative for celiac but they still recommended just cutting out the old gluten trick to see what happens.

Ate the same amount etc but still lost close to 10lbs over the course of a few months with no other change to the diet at all other than cutting out wheat.

No idea about studies or whatever but there is something in some of these things, from personal experience that is too.
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So you cut out pretty much a sub-food group (bread etc) and you think it's incredible you lost weight?

Question: has this weight loss continued indefinitely?
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
Some people are naturally fitter than others and/or find it easier to maintain fitness than others. If you are naturally lean you will find it easier to stay sharp. Nobody will convince me otherwise.

That doesn't mean that Rooney doesn't also bear huge blame for not looking after himself properly during his career.

Personally I've intensely disliked him since the contract saga(s) and can't wait to see the back of him, but I don't think his rapid decline is solely down to factors within his control.
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One of the most drawn out rapid declines in history?
 
Minimalist said:
So you cut out pretty much a sub-food group (bread etc) and you think it's incredible you lost weight?

Question: has this weight loss continued indefinitely?
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Yes, I am now weigh 10 lbs in total ;) .. of course it hasn't but there has obviously been an affect on the body as a result of cutten out wheat. It stabilised after a few months and have stayed at my 'ideal' weight for nearly 9 months

All I was trying to say was that is Rooney was struggling with weight them sometimes little changes to the diet can have a positive affect on the body.
 
He'll have to lower his wages unless he head's to China. If not and he stays at United, he doesn't deserve to be on the bench honestly. I'd rather have somebody who can offer something from the bench. No time for sentiment, I want hungry footballers like Andreas Pereira getting a chance on match days. I don't want a space wasted, there will be proper competition next year. Hope he does the right thing for himself and the club. If not, it will show what Wayne is all about. Anybody in here that wants him around should be committed. He's been stealing a living for ages and is done at the top level.
 
Doesn't really matter now about his fitness, should have been working on that throughout his career.

The worse thing I feel is that he's lost his motivation and that is the big problem. Frankly he's hanging on to the status he's enjoyed for ever and I suppose when you've had all this adulation for almost all your life, it's pretty difficult to let go, especially if you don't necessarily have any other interest.

All in all, it's the club's fault for that stupid contract and so they need to prepare themselves to pay up, but as long as they don't allow him to hold back another player then I really don't care.
 
Minimalist said:
Present me with ONE single research study (well peer reviewed) that proves that any of those factors are nothing more than minutiae compared to manipulation of energy balance (calorie counting).

Hint: you won't find one. It's all academic wankery. Interesting stuff for sure but calories are still king. Your patronising tone deserves a slap.
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No matter how it sounds...i have a body type simmilar to Rooney's. Few years back i weighted 78kg at 185 cm, age 26. Daily calorie intake- 1500-1800. Sport routine: a 12-15km run everyday, plus gym and swim. I hardly ever consumed alcohol too. Yet i still had excees fat on me. I went to see a nutrition specialist to make a proper check. She found out that i had more than 30% body fat, but my dry body mass reveled malnutrion. She ordered me to add calories and with the same routiness i gained 5kg fat withing a month.

What i trying to say is this: as much as i want to belive that calorie intake and caloires burnt are the only factors influencing one's body shape as much i dont belive that this is that simple. Im sure sooner or later science will figure that out.

Take care
 
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