[Minimalist]

Amazing that he picked up a 7.80 on whoscored - what do they see that you don't (or vice versa)?

Rooney's contributions so far this season would definitely be good for the key stats. Three assists and a goal in four games - right up there with the best. The argument over what matters most, key stats vs overall play, is for another day or thread I guess.

For me this is one of the areas statistics don't really capture the true performance. I will say that he saved himself yesterday with a great assist which is what he's really there to do (alongside goals). However I would argue all day long that a certain Armenian looked twice the player when he had his cameo after 60 minutes and the stats probably don't back that up.

 

[Red Stone]

Amazing that he picked up a 7.80 on whoscored - what do they see that you don't (or vice versa)?

Whoscored gave Rooney a 7.62 against Bournemouth. He was unquestionably shit in that game.

7.62 is higher than Bailly in any game so far this season and better than Valencia vs. Soton according to the same site. I won't take any rating on that site as gospel.

 

[shamans]

I would love anyone to point out the so called 'abuse' in this thread. Criticising a performance is not abuse.

You're joking? Yeah there has been some fair criticism but there's been some obvious abuse/hate if you look back.

 

[shamans]

This.

Rooney has never shown the technical abilities of your true top players. Things like touch, finesse, ball control and all that technical stuff were never Rooney's forte even when he was younger. What made him a top player was his scoring boot. He was a good goal scorer which is what most player would need to be considered top players.

Sure nowadays his touch and ball control are virtually non existent but even in his prime and younger years he didn't exactly have your exquisite touch and ball control albeit it was still good enough to not make people facepalm upon seeing him attempting to control a ball(basically just normal touch and ball control, nothing more, nothing less).

So was that assist enough of "all that technical stuff" which you claim he never had?

 

[Amadaeus]

Amazing that he picked up a 7.80 on whoscored - what do they see that you don't (or vice versa)?

That score will be skewed by the assist he made at the end. What those stats those not pick up is his lack of interplay, sloppiness and the ability to make the right decision. It is no coincidence that when Rashford and Mhkitaryan came into the game, our football was much more productive because these player had the technicality that Rooney lacked to improve our overall performance.

Rooney did well to make the assist, but before that occurred the majority consensus questioned why he was on the pitch mainly because his performance was poor. You can look up the comments in the match-day thread and in this thread to see fans reaction of his performance.

 

[Santoryo]

So was that assist enough of "all that technical stuff" which you claim he never had?

Dude don't do this to yourself. Rooney isn't your extremely technically gifted player, never been one to begin with. He used to rely on some burst of pace(use to have when younger) power and scoring goals, nothing wrong with that given there are more ways to be a top player w/o being a technically genius player.

And what he showed with the assist was all about power, nothing to disprove any of what I wrote in my earlier post. You seem to be rattled because of me stating(something factually true) that Rooney wasn't known for his technical abilities which isn't wrong if one has other attributes to make them top players(which he used to be).

Or do you want me to lie to you about Rooney's technical abilities or something

 

[LouisDanGaal]

That score will be skewed by the assist he made at the end. What those stats those not pick up is his lack of interplay, sloppiness and the ability to make the right decision. It is no coincidence that when Rashford and Mhkitaryan came into the game, our football was much more productive because these player had the technicality that Rooney lacked to improve our overall performance.

Rooney did well to make the assist, but before that occurred the majority consensus questioned why he was on the pitch mainly because his performance was poor. You can look up the comments in the match-day thread and in this thread to see fans reaction of his performance.

By skewed I assume you mean taken into account? Given that he did the best thing anyone did on the pitch I would hope it was taken into account.

 

[Minimalist]

By skewed I assume you mean taken into account? Given that he did the best thing anyone did on the pitch I would hope it was taken into account.

If Rooney continues to play poorly but have a key goal or assist in 90% of the games, then it's perfectly fine.

Chances are though, this won't happen.

 

[shamans]

Dude don't do this to yourself. Rooney isn't your extremely technically gifted player, never been one to begin with. He used to rely on some burst of pace(use to have when younger) power and scoring goals, nothing wrong with that given there are more ways to be a top player w/o being a technically genius player.

And what he showed with the assist was all about power, nothing to disprove any of what I wrote in my earlier post. You seem to be rattled because of me stating(something factually true) that Rooney wasn't known for his technical abilities which isn't wrong if one has other attributes to make them top players(which he used to be).

Or do you want me to lie to you about Rooney's technical abilities or something

Don't do what to myself?

You made the absurd claim that Rooney was never technically gifted. You either have no understanding of Rooney or what if even means to be technical.



Watch this from 1:08 and then read back your post about him just being a player with an eye for a goal and some pace and see how far off you sounded.

 

[Amadaeus]

By skewed I assume you mean taken into account? Given that he did the best thing anyone did on the pitch I would hope it was taken into account.

Skewed as in misrepresented. I do not believe his performance merited than whoscored rating. If it did, there would not be so many complaints about his performance before he made that assist. I believe one great moment should not overshadow the holistic perspective because we have quality in depth who could perform better and also create a great moment in the game.

I also believe that Rashford run where he almost pass the ball in the back of the net was one of the better moment in the game. Moreover, the Zlatan flick towards Mata from what I can remember of the top of my head.

 

[LouisDanGaal]

Skewed as in misrepresented. I do not believe his performance merited than whoscored rating. If it did, there would not be so many complaints about his performance before he made that assist. I believe one great moment should not overshadow the holistic perspective because we have quality in depth who could perform better and also create a great moment in the game.

So just ignore his match winning contribution? yeah that makes sense.

 

[SteveJ]

You made the absurd claim that Rooney was never technically gifted.

He didn't. He stated this: 'Things like touch, finesse, ball control and all that technical stuff were never Rooney's forté even when he was younger...' which only means that many fans didn't consider Rooney's technical skills to be his paramount talent. It doesn't mean he claimed that Rooney had no technical skill, and has none now.

 

[nick2004]

Look at the upper right side of the current page:

4 Appearances
1 Goal
3 Assists

He had an assist in the Community Shield game. In the first EPL game he scored the second goal, a very important goal for our morale. In the second game, he provided a great assist for the first goal - our second was a penalty. In the third game, he practically created our only goal, out of nowhere, in injury time... basically he gave us the 3 points.

Four wins and Rooney's contribution was crucial in all of them!!!

But some people are still not satisfied! Worse than that, they call "wum" anyone who still likes our captain, anyone who recognizes that Rooney is still a very valuable player! Imagine what will happen when Rooney has a bad game where he doesn't contribute at all!

 

[LouisDanGaal]

Look at the upper right side of the current page:

4 Appearances
1 Goal
3 Assists

He had an assist in the Community Shield game. In the first EPL game he scored the second goal, a very important goal for our morale. In the second game, he provided a great assist for the first goal - our second was a penalty. In the third game, he practically created our only goal, out of nowhere, in injury time... basically he gave us the 3 points.

Four wins and Rooney's contribution was crucial in all of them!!!

But some people are still not satisfied! Worse than that, they call "wum" anyone who still likes our captain, anyone who recognizes that Rooney is still a very valuable player! Imagine what will happen when Rooney has a bad game where he doesn't contribute at all!

If rooney doesn't score in the first four minutes of the derby the site will probably crash due to the amount of traffic into this thread. 67 pages on his performances so far, that's more than some of our players get in a season and its generally just people moaning.

 

[Minimalist]

Look at the upper right side of the current page:

4 Appearances
1 Goal
3 Assists

He had an assist in the Community Shield game. In the first EPL game he scored the second goal, a very important goal for our morale. In the second game, he provided a great assist for the first goal - our second was a penalty. In the third game, he practically created our only goal, out of nowhere, in injury time... basically he gave us the 3 points.

Four wins and Rooney's contribution was crucial in all of them!!!

But some people are still not satisfied! Worse than that, they call "wum" anyone who still likes our captain, anyone who recognizes that Rooney is still a very valuable player! Imagine what will happen when Rooney has a bad game where he doesn't contribute at all!

The fact you included the community shield as an assist makes you a right tit.

 

[shamans]

He didn't. He stated this: 'Things like touch, finesse, ball control and all that technical stuff were never Rooney's forté even when he was younger...' which only means that many fans didn't consider Rooney's technical skills to be his paramount talent. It doesn't mean he claimed that Rooney had no technical skill, and has none now.

"Rooney has never shown the technical abilities of your true top players"

Laughable.

 

[SteveJ]

"Rooney has never shown the technical abilities of your true top players"

That's still not the same as your claim: that Santoryo claimed Rooney 'was never technically gifted'.

 

[Santoryo]

He didn't. He stated this: 'Things like touch, finesse, ball control and all that technical stuff were never Rooney's forté even when he was younger...' which only means that many fans didn't consider Rooney's technical skills to be his paramount talent. It doesn't mean he claimed that Rooney had no technical skill, and has none now.

Thank you !!!

I seriously didn't feel like going back and forth about this when my point was made clear and he instead choose to interpret it his own way.

 

[Amadaeus]

So just ignore his match winning contribution? yeah that makes sense.

I am not ignoring it but rather analyzing the full 94 minutes rather than just that 30 secs. I would prefer Rooney playing above average the full 90 minutes and contribute to goals and assist, rather than play below average and have a great moment. The latter will not always happen, so it is better for Rooney to improve his overall performance and do things that does not make fans question why he is in the team.

 

[nick2004]

The fact you included the community shield as an assist makes you a right tit.

This page says 3 assists, so I said something for all of them. Anyway, nobody cares much about the community shield, the main goal is to win the EPL.

The question is: Why did you focus on that?

 

[Red Stone]

Look at the upper right side of the current page:

4 Appearances
1 Goal
3 Assists

He had an assist in the Community Shield game. In the first EPL game he scored the second goal, a very important goal for our morale. In the second game, he provided a great assist for the first goal - our second was a penalty. In the third game, he practically created our only goal, out of nowhere, in injury time... basically he gave us the 3 points.

Four wins and Rooney's contribution was crucial in all of them!!!

But some people are still not satisfied! Worse than that, they call "wum" anyone who still likes our captain, anyone who recognizes that Rooney is still a very valuable player! Imagine what will happen when Rooney has a bad game where he doesn't contribute at all!

I could have made that assist in the Community Shield game. Every one of our players play several passes exactly like that one in every single game.

Yes, it counts as an assist in the statistics, but it shouldn't be used to excuse Rooney's performance in that game. That goal was all Lingard's doing. If he hadn't channelled his inner Messi and gone past the entire Leicester team it would have been just another Wayne Rooney sideways pass.

 

[SteveJ]

The question is: Why did you focus on that?

It was the only bit he could see amongst the forest of exclamation marks.

 

[nick2004]

I could have made that assist in the Community Shield game.

Just count how many will talk about the assist in the community shield game!!!

Like anyone cares about that game, practically a friendly (but included in stats... not my fault).

 

[LouisDanGaal]

I am not ignoring it but rather analyzing the full 94 minutes rather than just that 30 secs. I would prefer Rooney playing above average the full 90 minutes and contribute to goals and assist, rather than play below average and have a great moment. The latter will not always happen, so it is better for Rooney to improve his overall performance and do things that does not make fans question why he is in the team.

That 30 secs was in the 94 minutes. Why does it matter if it won't always happen? we are talking about his performance in that game, how on earth would a stat take that into account

 

[shamans]

That's still not the same as your claim: that Santoryo claimed Rooney 'was never technically gifted'.

Okay, I take back my claim. Still, saying Rooney has never shown the technical abilities of your true top players is ridiculous. Revisionism at its finest going on here.

Thank you !!!

I seriously didn't feel like going back and forth about this when my point was made clear and he instead choose to interpret it his own way.

Of course you will dodge when I just posted a video that went totally against what you said.

 

[Mrs Smoker]

I wish Cafe would remove that pass to Lingard in the assist count. Too many touches afterwards. Like that ridiculous "assist" to van Persie back in 2013 against Swansea.

Wazza's on 1 goal and 2 assists for me.

 

[SteveJ]

I wish Cafe would remove that pass to Lingard in the assist count. Too many touches afterwards. Like that ridiculous "assist" to van Persie back in 2013 against Swansea.

Don't forget his nearly-assists, which count for 3 points each in the Alternative Rooney League.

 

[Red Stone]

Don't forget his nearly-assists, which count for 3 points each in the Alternative Rooney League.

Do nearly-assists count as much as moral assists?

 

[LouisDanGaal]

Just to also point out for those saying he was poor yesterday he created 5 chances, the most on the pitch. Generally creating chances and getting a match winning assist is considered a good game. I know things are a little different when it comes to Rooney and i'm not fully sure why, but yeah awful player, awful game.

 

[nick2004]

In those three EPL games, if Rooney's contributions were equal to Martial's contributions, a lot of people in this forum would be asking for him to be hanged or something...

 

[Mrs Smoker]

Blindinho and him were the best yesterday.

 

[clarkydaz]

Just to also point out for those saying he was poor yesterday he created 5 chances, the most on the pitch. Generally creating chances and getting a match winning assist is considered a good game. I know things are a little different when it comes to Rooney and i'm not fully sure why, but yeah awful player, awful game.

it must simply be pure hatred of the man

 

[SteveJ]

SAF had feuds against many players over the years. Players that could become legends for our team, like Keane, Beckham, Nistelrooy, Stam etc.

In all cases SAF won. The player lost. Except for Rooney!!!

Rooney won! He is the only player who beat SAF! Not only that, but he got a great contract, became captain, he is a couple of goals away from becoming the all time top scorer. At the same time, SAF left, and he is to blame for choosing Moyes. And Moyes sided with Rooney! Well, it's hard to imagine a bigger win by a player against SAF. And some people took this as an insult against "their father".

SAF: "Son, I have to leave town and walk into that big ol' sunset..."
ME: "Won't that be a bit hot, Dad?"
SAF: "You thick twat...I mean...Son, there's a new sheriff in town, and he goes by the name of Wayne Rooney. He got me good, son...arghhhh" *clutches chest*
ME: "Don't leave me, Dad!" *blubs*
SAF: "Ya gotta understand, son - Rooney beat me - there's no doubt about that etc."
ME: *shakes fist at sky* "You bastid, Rooney! I'll avenge you, Dad...probably by giving Rooney low scores on the Caf ratings; that'll teach him."
SAF: "FFS. Wish I'd had the snip."

 

[Distracted Steward]

As a #10, he was better against Hull than he's been so far this campaign. He's still not showing a command at the skills you'd expect of a #10. He offers enough two way play that I can't say Mata or Mkhitaryan should get a shot, but his positioning and how he sets himself up really highlights his deficiencies as a #10. I wish he'd float into space and set himself up to get the ball off to an attacker more quickly than he has been. Balls to Ibrahimovic and the widemen have been more or less direct. They aren't getting a lot of incisive, quick short passes from Rooney.

 

[clarkydaz]

SAF: "Son, I have to leave town and walk into that big ol' sunset..."
ME: "Won't that be a bit hot, Dad?"
SAF: "You thick twat...I mean...Son, there's a new sheriff in town, and he goes by the name of Wayne Rooney. He got me good, son...arghhhh" *clutches chest*
ME: "Don't leave me, Dad!" *blubs*
SAF: "Ya gotta understand, son - Rooney beat me - there's no doubt about that etc."
ME: *shakes fist at sky* "You bastid, Rooney! I'll avenge you, Dad...probably by giving Rooney low scores on the Caf ratings; that'll teach him."
SAF: "FFS. Wish I'd had the snip."

Steve snapped

 

[Mrs Smoker]

Anyone knows what are all(most?some?) the sites/papers that have player grades? Interested to see how they differ from Cafe ones.

 

[wr8_utd]

The amount of criticism Rooney attracts is unbelievable. Zlatan has had some pretty poor touches/misplaced passes in the last two games and it's not talked about. Rooney has had 2 crucial contrubtions and yet the little mistakes are picked up. I'm all for criticizing him when he's not contributing but he's just too important to leave out. He always contributes in someway. Can't wait for him to get the record!

 

[Nucks]

Wildly, journalistic sites have to have some credibility, so they can't say "feck him 0, feck him 0, I like him 10, I like him less 8" That's the kind of stuff you see from crowd sourced scoring in any medium.

The number of people having a tantrum, or a tantrum seizure in the Rooney ratings will be very high. So you will have a lot of people who are giving him a completely unjustifiable low score, to justify the fact they are mad and they are entitled.

 

[wr8_utd]

This hatred of Rooney is getting to really ridiculous levels. I've not seen this much hatred for United players from opposing fans. He's judged entirely differently to everyone else in the team and no his salary should not be a reason.

 

[Mrs Smoker]

But 350,000!!