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39
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8
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This thread is an absolute joke sometimes. Irregardless of how bad he played yesterday, the genuine abuse he gets is crazy. It's as if you're insulting a City player and that you are genuinely pleased when he does something wrong just so you can go keyboard bashing.

He may not be playing well, but he's clearly somewhat effective with 1 goal and 3 assists in 4 games.
 
The problem is that he probably prevented us from scoring 3.

Both untrue and irrelevant. The only thing that matters here is that we won and the points were manufactured by Rooney. This is not some Olympic figure skating routine where you get scored on the overall performance. If the team wins, you win. If you make a significant contribution to the win, then even better.
 
This thread is an absolute joke sometimes. Irregardless of how bad he played yesterday, the genuine abuse he gets is crazy. It's as if you're insulting a City player and that you are genuinely pleased when he does something wrong just so you can go keyboard bashing.

He may not be playing well, but he's clearly somewhat effective with 1 goal and 3 assists in 4 games.

The problem is that, he is supposed to link the attack and the midfield. That's his main mission and he fails badly, now Rooney will always be able to score or assist if he is around the box, that's a given but he is an hindrance for our collective game. If people are happy with a team that relies solely on individual performances thats fair enough but personally I will always believe that a strong collective game is more reliable than individual brilliance.

Edit: He isn't the only one.
 
In non-news news: Wayne Rooney is set to retain the England captaincy (according to some newspapers).
 
Some people equate criticising a player's performance with abuse.
 
Was there ever any doubt?:lol:
Dunno about you, mate, but I was expecting a call from Sam Allardyce for days, despite me being a) Welsh, and b) rubbish at football. So much for Big Sam's brave new world.
 
Dunno about you, mate, but I was expecting a call from Sam Allardyce for days, despite me being a) Welsh, and b) rubbish at football. So much for Big Sam's brave new world.
Ah Stevie..... devastated are we?
:D
 
Rooney is the master at passing between a defenders legs.

He's still a match winner.
 
I love the Rooney debate. He probably did several crap things vs Hull but did one good thing. I am not a fan I still think we'd function better in the final third without him but he has his moments. Mkhitaryan is better than him. Maybe Kagawa was too but how will we know if we sign players to always be second fiddle.

If you play every single game and get more mins of course you're going to do something good eventually. That's the case with Rooney. It's his overall play in the no.10 role that is frustrating to watch. Mkhitaryan would do a better job in that position. But Rooney is doing ok.

Martial/Mata are also under threat. Mkhitaryan + Rashford look like starters.
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
He's still a match winner.
Well maybe he should stop playing like a competition winner then.
 
An assist doesn't completely absolve Rooney of criticism for yesterday's performance. Just because he pops up with an assist after 92 minutes it doesn't mean that him losing the ball three times in one minute suddenly becomes acceptable from a United player. His first half performance warranted a substitution at half time, and the substitutions in the second half further go to show why Rooney isn't good enough to be a first choice. Look at Rooney when he gets the ball on the edge of the box in comparison to Mkhitaryan and Rashford.

There was a moment in the first half where he got the ball with players ahead of him about 30 yards from the goal and Hull were pushing further and further back. Rooney idled on the ball for several seconds before turning around and passing it back to (you guessed it...) Valencia. Meanwhile Rashford and Mkhitaryan drove forward, tried to take on their man and looked to penetrate every single time they were on the ball. Saying we would have scored more without Rooney yesterday isn't something you can prove right or wrong, but we look like a much more dangerous team when Rooney isn't getting involved as much in the middle.

Rooney's best moments yesterday, including the assist, came when he was played out wide, where he's put under less pressure and his first touch is less of a hindrance. He just doesn't have what it takes to play in crowded areas any more. In the first half it seemed like he'd lose the ball every time he received it within a few yards of a Hull player, and it completely killed the momentum of the team on several occasions. Meanwhile, even if Mkhitaryan and Pogba haven't gotten goals or assists for us yet, they've shown their ability to create and contribute to dangerous attacking moves much more frequently than Rooney does. Even with Rooney's stats so far, based on the general quality of play, I'd put my money on Pogba, Mkhitaryan, Rashford and Zlatan scoring more goals in 90 minutes than if Rooney is brought in for any one of the four, and I think that is the general consensus among the "Rooney bashers" in this thread. Assists are all well and good, but players also need to deliver in the other 89 minutes of the game.

Overall his play yesterday was terrible, and it has been in every game so far this season despite his goals and assists. He still won us two added points by pulling that piece of magic out of the hat and deserves a lot of credit for it, but him doing one thing very well doesn't mean we can't criticise him for the many things he did poorly yesterday. Putting Bohemian Rhapsody at the end of a mixtape with ten Justin Bieber songs on it doesn't make it a good mixtape.
 
Just when you think he might finally get dropped because he's done nothing to mask yet another shite performance, he pops up with an assist to guarantee another start. Fair play to him and all of that, but once again he's simply hampering us.
 
Just when you think he might finally get dropped because he's done nothing to mask yet another shite performance, he pops up with an assist to guarantee another start. Fair play to him and all of that, but once again he's simply hampering us.
Mourinho's barely if ever mentioned him in the last few press conferences. God knows what he thinks about Rooney's performances.
 
Mourinho's barely if ever mentioned him in the last few press conferences. God knows what he thinks about Rooney's performances.

He's aware how poor Rooney has been, but he also knows he can pop up with little piece of magic out of nowhere so that's why he kept him in the team. I would use him as impact sub myself, think Jose will go that route himself given the time, but for now he'll keep him in starting eleven.
 
Its a bit hard for me to praise him for yesterday. Its like praising a doctor who just removed a tumour from your brain. Forgetting that he is the same doctor that failed to discover and treat said tumour in all your previous visits to see him.
 
Rashford and Mykhytarian provided the spark that United needed yesterday, no doubt, but Rooney did brilliantly for the goal the way he beat his man then found Rashford with the ball into his path for a tap-in.
 
An assist doesn't completely absolve Rooney of criticism for yesterday's performance. Just because he pops up with an assist after 92 minutes it doesn't mean that him losing the ball three times in one minute suddenly becomes acceptable from a United player. His first half performance warranted a substitution at half time, and the substitutions in the second half further go to show why Rooney isn't good enough to be a first choice. Look at Rooney when he gets the ball on the edge of the box in comparison to Mkhitaryan and Rashford.

There was a moment in the first half where he got the ball with players ahead of him about 30 yards from the goal and Hull were pushing further and further back. Rooney idled on the ball for several seconds before turning around and passing it back to (you guessed it...) Valencia. Meanwhile Rashford and Mkhitaryan drove forward, tried to take on their man and looked to penetrate every single time they were on the ball. Saying we would have scored more without Rooney yesterday isn't something you can prove right or wrong, but we look like a much more dangerous team when Rooney isn't getting involved as much in the middle.

Rooney's best moments yesterday, including the assist, came when he was played out wide, where he's put under less pressure and his first touch is less of a hindrance. He just doesn't have what it takes to play in crowded areas any more. In the first half it seemed like he'd lose the ball every time he received it within a few yards of a Hull player, and it completely killed the momentum of the team on several occasions. Meanwhile, even if Mkhitaryan and Pogba haven't gotten goals or assists for us yet, they've shown their ability to create and contribute to dangerous attacking moves much more frequently than Rooney does. Even with Rooney's stats so far, based on the general quality of play, I'd put my money on Pogba, Mkhitaryan, Rashford and Zlatan scoring more goals in 90 minutes than if Rooney is brought in for any one of the four, and I think that is the general consensus among the "Rooney bashers" in this thread. Assists are all well and good, but players also need to deliver in the other 89 minutes of the game.

Overall his play yesterday was terrible, and it has been in every game so far this season despite his goals and assists. He still won us two added points by pulling that piece of magic out of the hat and deserves a lot of credit for it, but him doing one thing very well doesn't mean we can't criticise him for the many things he did poorly yesterday. Putting Bohemian Rhapsody at the end of a mixtape with ten Justin Bieber songs on it doesn't make it a good mixtape.

Just for interests sake, how many times was he dispossessed in the other 93 minutes? And how many times did his control let him down?
 
Why is nobody totting up the amount of times other players lose the ball. Zlatan and Pogba were useless yesterday.
 
He needs another hair transplant. Does anyone else remember how good he played after his first one? His confidence was high and so was his game.

Hair transplants, hair transplants for everyone.
 
In these terrible times for him it is important to mention clearly his achievements. He made that goal yesterday, and has been contributing with goals and assists so far this season.
 
Why is nobody totting up the amount of times other players lose the ball. Zlatan and Pogba were useless yesterday.

I know. We should play a more possession based game. Pass the ball sideways, don't take risks and, certainly, don't try to beat a man and risk losing the ball.

Mkhi looks like he needs to start. I'm not ready to show Martial the bench. If Wayne continues to produce goals Mata should probably lose his spot.

When is the last time Mata didn't play in a league match?
 
Why is nobody totting up the amount of times other players lose the ball. Zlatan and Pogba were useless yesterday.

Can someone please do this?

All of you whining about Rooney losing the ball seem to forget he is an attacking player and will lose the ball often. You all just ignore how many times other attackers lose the ball.
 
An assist doesn't completely absolve Rooney of criticism for yesterday's performance. Just because he pops up with an assist after 92 minutes it doesn't mean that him losing the ball three times in one minute suddenly becomes acceptable from a United player. His first half performance warranted a substitution at half time, and the substitutions in the second half further go to show why Rooney isn't good enough to be a first choice. Look at Rooney when he gets the ball on the edge of the box in comparison to Mkhitaryan and Rashford.

There was a moment in the first half where he got the ball with players ahead of him about 30 yards from the goal and Hull were pushing further and further back. Rooney idled on the ball for several seconds before turning around and passing it back to (you guessed it...) Valencia. Meanwhile Rashford and Mkhitaryan drove forward, tried to take on their man and looked to penetrate every single time they were on the ball. Saying we would have scored more without Rooney yesterday isn't something you can prove right or wrong, but we look like a much more dangerous team when Rooney isn't getting involved as much in the middle.

Rooney's best moments yesterday, including the assist, came when he was played out wide, where he's put under less pressure and his first touch is less of a hindrance. He just doesn't have what it takes to play in crowded areas any more. In the first half it seemed like he'd lose the ball every time he received it within a few yards of a Hull player, and it completely killed the momentum of the team on several occasions. Meanwhile, even if Mkhitaryan and Pogba haven't gotten goals or assists for us yet, they've shown their ability to create and contribute to dangerous attacking moves much more frequently than Rooney does. Even with Rooney's stats so far, based on the general quality of play, I'd put my money on Pogba, Mkhitaryan, Rashford and Zlatan scoring more goals in 90 minutes than if Rooney is brought in for any one of the four, and I think that is the general consensus among the "Rooney bashers" in this thread. Assists are all well and good, but players also need to deliver in the other 89 minutes of the game.

Overall his play yesterday was terrible, and it has been in every game so far this season despite his goals and assists. He still won us two added points by pulling that piece of magic out of the hat and deserves a lot of credit for it, but him doing one thing very well doesn't mean we can't criticise him for the many things he did poorly yesterday. Putting Bohemian Rhapsody at the end of a mixtape with ten Justin Bieber songs on it doesn't make it a good mixtape.

The point of a good performance is to score goals and assists. If he scores a goal or gets an assist then he did good. Doesn't matter if he was eating cheeseburgers rest of the game.

You don't get lucky enough to have an assist or goal every freaking match. Obviously he must be doing something right?
 
I know. We should play a more possession based game. Pass the ball sideways, don't take risks and, certainly, don't try to beat a man and risk losing the ball.

Mkhi looks like he needs to start. I'm not ready to show Martial the bench. If Wayne continues to produce goals Mata should probably lose his spot.

When is the last time Mata didn't play in a league match?

I think it was around Christmas he was out of the team for about 5 games. Mkhi needs to start and I would be fine if that meant mata dropping to the bench.
 
The point of a good performance is to score goals and assists. If he scores a goal or gets an assist then he did good. Doesn't matter if he was eating cheeseburgers rest of the game.

You don't get lucky enough to have an assist or goal every freaking match. Obviously he must be doing something right?

Its ridiculous. Every week there are comments saying damn that goal or assist means he won't be dropped. Not happy that he has just won us the game or whatever just unhappy its masked a poor performance. He is in the team to do one thing, make goals happen and he is doing it very well this season.

He lost the ball a few times, so what? every number ten in the world loses the ball a lot due to the risky nature of trying to make something happen in the final third. Not once did him losing the ball put us under any pressure so in what way does it count as a mark against him.
 
Its ridiculous. Every week there are comments saying damn that goal or assist means he won't be dropped. Not happy that he has just won us the game or whatever just unhappy its masked a poor performance. He is in the team to do one thing, make goals happen and he is doing it very well this season.

He lost the ball a few times, so what? every number ten in the world loses the ball a lot due to the risky nature of trying to make something happen in the final third. Not once did him losing the ball put us under any pressure so in what way does it count as a mark against him.

There will always be an excuse to hate him.

When he scores that header, it's a tap in,
When he gets a world class assist, he lost the ball earlier.
When he does all - "was that worth the 300k he's on?".

and so on...
 
I am not buying into the notion that "a player can be shite consistently for a whole 90 minute, but if he does something noteworthy, all is forgiven." Rooney's overall performance was horrible against Hull. We might have been ahead early on if we had a better number 10 in that role. As such, my opinion has not changed that I rather have Mhkitaryan, Mata and Rashford all ahead of Rooney in that dual striker/number 10 role.

However, if Rooney overall performance improves from a 1-4/10 to a 7/10 than my opinion will change.
 
Another "awful" performance by Rooney, another goal involvement, an assist. It's fair to say that Rooney made the goal that won us the match. And it was a brilliant piece of skill, not the dribbling, but his pinpoint delivery through the legs of the defender, perfect weight on the pass, unreachable for GK, right in the area where the ball only need a touch to go in.
That is why United still needs him and why he plays. Some people just need to understand a simple truth, goals win you games. Not dribbling, good one-touch plays, close control and keeping the ball and not losing possession either, but actual goals. Why people that supposedly played "better" against Hull could not get them or assist them if they are so good and Rooney could when he was so bad? That we will never know it seems.
 
Why is nobody totting up the amount of times other players lose the ball. Zlatan and Pogba were useless yesterday.

If, by losing possession, you mean either getting dispossessed or failing to control the ball, then Zlatan led with 5, followed by Mata and Martial with 4, then Rooney with 3. Pogba, Rashford and Mkhitaryan were tied on 2. Alternatively you could look at Pogba's 12 misplaced short passes if you wanted to be critical. Having said that there were a couple of periods in the game where things got very congested in midfield which led to a lot of turnovers in both directions and included Rooney's magic minute and a lot of Pogba's bad passes.
 
I would love anyone to point out the so called 'abuse' in this thread. Criticising a performance is not abuse.
 
I am not buying into the notion that "a player can be shite consistently for a whole 90 minute, but if he does something noteworthy, all is forgiven." Rooney's overall performance was horrible against Hull. We might have been ahead early on if we had a better number 10 in that role. As such, my opinion has not changed that I rather have Mhkitaryan, Mata and Rashford all ahead of Rooney in that dual striker/number 10 role.

However, if Rooney overall performance improves from a 1-4/10 to a 7/10 than my opinion will change.

Amazing that he picked up a 7.80 on whoscored - what do they see that you don't (or vice versa)?
 
Part of the reason why people are willing to overlook Zlatan and Pogba giving the ball away a lot is that they are both coming from very good games against Southampton, while Rooney has been poor with his overall play in all the games so far this season, in addition to being pretty poor at the Euros and for most of last season too. A poor game every now and then isn't the end of the world. Having a mostly poor year buys you much less patience with the fans, especially when no number of consistently shit performances results in getting dropped for even one game.

And it's not just Rooney people are questioning. People are calling for Martial to be dropped already in favour of the same two players we want to see instead of Rooney, despite Martial having two assists this season and the fact that he was quite good at the business end of last season.
 
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