Well, the managers who didn' see it finished 7th, 4th, and 5th in the league and England were humiliated by Iceland.
If Mou repeats their mistakes, he will have big problems here.
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Well, the managers who didn' see it finished 7th, 4th, and 5th in the league and England were humiliated by Iceland.
If Mou repeats their mistakes, he will have big problems here.
This makes me believe you are unable to objectively discuss Rooney's performance. Herrera had a much better game for Rooney today. Rooney's touch and passing was horrific.
I genuinely am at a loss to how you think his performance today was anything but mediocre. Just watching the game, every time he got possession hed be turning around to backwards, rarely forward. Just take a look at his pass map as ya'll love stats and you'll see most his passes were sidewards. Very poor from our 'creative force. Even the stats you love show Herrera had a very good game today.
I've seen a few people saying Herrera had a worse game than Rooney, how is that possible? Herrera wasn't great but at least I saw his pass create a few chances, one of which Rooney passed to the B'moth keeper. He also put in a few tackles and won the ball a few times. All I saw Rooney do before and after his goal was pass sideways/backwards or lose the ball
passing horrific 90% completion come back when you find out how to discuss "objectively"
Does the heat show where his options were? How many times to he miss a runner? Rarely because there weren't many, I'm not slating the team no one played badly, I'm not saying he played amazing simply the abuse is so over the top it's pathetic at best, he played alright not amazing not terrible just alright, like the whole team did
Thanks for addressing all points I made
great discussions. Not a childish reply in the slightest. When I say horrific I mean in the sense of a number 10. They were all safe and the 90% is largely due to his passes being backwards and sidewards. He rarely attempted a 'risky' pass to accelerate play or create a chance. It was all far too conservative.
Even for those who think his criticism exists in the bubble red cafe. Search his name on Twitter. Many were criticising him today, even MEN. He wasn't dreadful apart from his touch and when he tried to beat a man and create. Everything else was just mediocre. Him running the ball out of play a few times and that pass to a Bournemouth player on the half way line sum him up atm.
I'd love to be proved wrong and see an upturn in his form as it'd most likely drive us to the league. But as it stands he is detrimental to our play and holds us back.
Starting him ahead of Mkhitaryan is baffling, goal or no goal (which was a deft finish and the only notable piece of good play from him).
I feel we're short on pace with today's lineup. Replacing him would go some way towards sorting that out.
I feel we're short on pace with today's lineup. Replacing him would go some way towards sorting that out.
Spot on. Today was far from the worst we have seen from him, and far from the best, average is a fair description.
The thing about the safe option is the squad have had two seasons under a manager for whom keeping the ball was the most important thing, and you won't undo that in one summer. If he is still doing it come May then by all means slate him, and any other players that are doing it.
I've been wanting to ask, I see a lot 'Zlatan, Mata, Herrera touches Vs whoever' videos, why don't I ever see any about Rooney? Someone should please get on and post here to save us pages of arguments against ridiculous claims like that dispossessed 0 times stat someone posted after the CS game, or how *insert players name* was worse. Would be a good laugh too
A new excuse today. At least he got a 90% pass completion. But what kind of passes though? An average PL DM can that on a good day. He was pants today!
Bullshit. Anyone who holds their team back to the extent he is doing for club and country does not deserve to be playing EPL level.. he is coasting through games and doing that badly. The only thing he still has going for him is that he can take penalties well and is still a decent finisher but his general game is not even championship level.. he's getting by on his name and whatever hold he has on the club. He gets tackled on the ball before he even attempts a pass which explains the high pass completion stat.
An average performance for a Manchester United attacker, is lively and made chances but was wasteful.. the bare minimum you would expect is ball retention and being dangerous. See Firmino at Liverpool today, or Sanchez for Arsenal that is what I would consider an average performance for a United player and certainly one on £300k.
Apart from his goal, he was shocking in possession apart from those easy backwards and sideways passes. He couldn't even run at a single opponent, most Championship level attackers can do that. If you put Kevin Phillips in our team even in his late 30s he'd be more effective and not as much of a hindrance on our fluidity.
I can't see which teams in the premier league which he would genuinely be a good addition for, even at Sunderland he'd be a worse option than Defoe.
He was not average, that is a myth. Take the goal aside and that is not an 'average' performance for an attacker who plays for a top 4 club.. not at all. An average performance for an attacking player, involves presenting a threat to the opposition but failing to make the breakthrough.. he not only presented zero threat, he was quite obviously hindering our attacks more than their centre backs and DM combined.
How has the media not picked up on his shitness?
So I don't like these stats and heat maps but I did a small amount of digging and found that if you look at stats Rooney out passed Herrera made more long balls than anyone else and his rating was 7.6 going off stats which placed him the 4th best player on our team. You're frustration with Rooney is you're wanting a player with different qualities, he has never had amazing close control and doesn't dribble past players anymore.Thanks for addressing all points I made
When I say horrific I mean in the sense of a number 10. They were all safe and the 90% is largely due to his passes being backwards and sidewards. He rarely attempted a 'risky' pass to accelerate play or create a chance. It was all far too conservative.
Even for those who think his criticism exists in the bubble red cafe. Search his name on Twitter. Many were criticising him today, even MEN. He wasn't dreadful apart from his touch and when he tried to beat a man and create. Everything else was just mediocre. Him running the ball out of play a few times and that pass to a Bournemouth player on the half way line sum him up atm.
I'd love to be proved wrong and see an upturn in his form as it'd most likely drive us to the league. But as it stands he is detrimental to our play and holds us back.
But he played to his strengths today, moved us forward and kept position and scored, he was always seen speaking to his players on set plays which is what a captain should do.
Edit I love you highlighted the one pass that set Bournemouth off and I emtioned this earlier, not a single remark about the 3/4 times Herrera lost possession I'm the final third, he made one sloppy pass across the pitch, this is my frustration, other players are excused while Rooney makes the same and is hung out to dry
His sense of entitlement is infuriating. Sooner he fecks of the better. I was happy he scored, but then I saw post-match interview, and I became angry and confused. I hope that was all bravado from him and realises he's not a guaranteed starter.
Zero threat yet scored lol
He could have had three today actually. He was our most threatening attacking player.
Classic performance from Rooney. Covers up his awful performance with a goal.
It's like rawk and the imaginary league table, take away all his good points and he was terrible
I hope José doesn't lower standards like some fanboys here.
Stick my nan up front for Manchester United and she'd probably get on the end of a few chances. End of the day, you clearly have an issue with reading the game well if you think this guy is still worthy of playing for Manchester United.
We will continue this debate for his next shit performance which will be very soon.
I stated in this thread probably a week ago that I think he will lose his place this season but I find the reaction to his performance today to be ridiculous.
I really hope he proves my prediction wrong though.
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Fair enough. FWIW think people are overreacting to his interview, he didn't mean it in a arrogant way.. was just asked on the spot and I think he was just trying to put across he is confident in his ability, which is normal.
There are no words to describe his touch and close control. Will start every game which is such a fecking shame considering we've got someone as good as Mkhitaryan to replace him.
Just look through last years thread and I'm sure you'll find many.
It's sad to see my idol playing like this.
I'm not buying that. Rooney has been in the game a long time, and i hardly believe Van Gaal has brainwashed him to an extent that he forgot how to pass the ball forward. I don't think Rooney is as dreadful as some people here claim, but the current Rooney is far from good enough for a team aspiring to win the league
And no, the notion that Rooney is a spent force is far from some kneejerk hivemind thing on redcafe. Prettty much all my United supporting mates (and rival team mates for that matter) agree that Rooney has been poor for a while now.
The irony of this post is so delicious, just add warm salty tears and I could wank to it.
I think that Rooney was average today. He got himself into some good positions and managed to score a nice goal, but lacked a real cutting edge. However he's far too conservative with the ball for a number 10, and doesn't appear willing to take a risk or take on a man in anymore.
With all that being said, I think that there is still a player in there somewhere. Mourinho may be able to figure out how to put a fire back into his belly and bring Rooney back up to his true level. My feeling is that this will almost necessarily involve dropping him at some point, and Rooney fighting to improve his performance levels.
With all that being said, I think that there is still a player in there somewhere. Mourinho may be able to figure out how to put a fire back into his belly and bring Rooney back up to his true level. My feeling is that this will almost necessarily involve dropping him at some point, and Rooney fighting to improve his performance levels.
A striker just scored a goal and I have to "take that aside"
There's no myth here. I've seen poor performances from Rooney and average ones and this one was average.Just managed to see his post match interview. Loved it. Its about time we saw some arrogance from him. He might not be the same player he once was, but he's won more or less everything there is to win at club level. He should big himself up more. There's players out there who do so and theyve not done half of what Rooney's done. Fair play to you, Wazz.
Hopefully Jose will keep subbing him a few minutes earlier every game until he's just a sub.
It's not arrogance if he can't back it up with his performances. Just delusion.
Believe me, I'm the last person to stock up for him if he doesn't deserve it, but 24 months of having something hammered into you day after day after day? You can't just forget that shit overnight.
He's still got decent ability, but he's just so fecking slow and his touch is diabolical. He squandered countless potential counter attacks and chances because the ball slipped past him, it's so frustrating.
It has nothing to do with Van Gaal ffs. Van Gaal didn't tell him to possess the first touch of a pub player and play with the speed of a sack of potatoes.
If he wasn't Wayne Rooney and a new signing and performed like that, we would be seriously worried.
Twice today he had space to run into but didn't have the pace or energy to get away from them and decided to turn back like an oil tanker, getting tackled in the process.
I don't hate him and I respect his career but we have much better options for the team. A 433 formation without him is the ideal setup right now, but Rooney being Rooney will get played until it's impossible to ignore any further.
Twice today he had space to run into but didn't have the pace or energy to get away from them and decided to turn back like an oil tanker, getting tackled in the process.
I don't hate him and I respect his career but we have much better options for the team. A 433 formation without him is the ideal setup right now, but Rooney being Rooney will get played until it's impossible to ignore any further.
He was average today, not as terrible as he can be at his worst.
He's not a #10. For me, his best position is as a striker, but even there he's so laughably far behind the required level that he has no chance of justifying being first or even second choice at the club.
There are plenty of strikers who, while being otherwise mediocre footballers, have done well in the game because of their instincts. Rooney still has that. If you list the most important skills a typical #10 has Rooney is mediocre to extremely poor at most of them. His first touch is crap, he can't turn at speed, he rarely plays incisive passes behind the defence and he can't beat a man one on one. I'd rather have him in midfield than in the hole.
There are plenty of strikers who, while being otherwise mediocre footballers, have done well in the game because of their instincts. Rooney still has that. If you list the most important skills a typical #10 has Rooney is mediocre to extremely poor at most of them. His first touch is crap, he can't turn at speed, he rarely plays incisive passes behind the defence and he can't beat a man one on one. I'd rather have him in midfield than in the hole.
I thought that too haha
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