Gonna be some sweet, sweet tears around here when he breaks it.
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Gonna be some sweet, sweet tears around here when he breaks it.
I can imagine it now, "he only scores against crap teams", as if Charlton's were all v league leaders
I think Blind will play regardless of Rooney's form.
He's more of a wandering second striker than a #10. His positioning isn't good enough to command a spot behind the striker in a top side.
He can't make the team better if he's not consistently stitching together the midfield and attack. That's the most important thing for a #10. He can't do it well enough with the positions he takes.
Also, he's leaving himself too much to do when he gets the ball. He's not nimble and his touch can be poor. When he has to turn--as he often does--it's slow and sloppy. It's too tight in the final third for that. It's easy to close him down and snuff out the attack.
I firmly believe Mata would do better getting the ball to the wide men in a way they can run onto it. Mata wouldn't end up in the same spot with Ibrahimović as often--though Rooney and Zlatan were noticeably better about that today than they were in the Community Shield.
All told--despite Mourinho's assertions otherwise--Rooney is not suited to play as a #10 and would be better in the midfield. He could maybe adapt, but off and on he's had enough time as a #10 to have the right habits. As it stands, he has the wrong habits and some bad attributes.
He can't make the team better if he's not consistently stitching together the midfield and attack. That's the most important thing for a #10. He can't do it well enough with the positions he takes.
Also, he's leaving himself too much to do when he gets the ball. He's not nimble and his touch can be poor. When he has to turn--as he often does--it's slow and sloppy. It's too tight in the final third for that. It's easy to close him down and snuff out the attack.
I firmly believe Mata would do better getting the ball to the wide men in a way they can run onto it. Mata wouldn't end up in the same spot with Ibrahimović as often--though Rooney and Zlatan were noticeably better about that today than they were in the Community Shield.
All told--despite Mourinho's assertions otherwise--Rooney is not suited to play as a #10 and would be better in the midfield. He could maybe adapt, but off and on he's had enough time as a #10 to have the right habits. As it stands, he has the wrong habits and some bad attributes.
I can imagine it now, "he only scores against crap teams", as if Charlton's were all v league leaders
Think he could possibly get 20 in all competitions this season. I mean, he got 15 last season in a team that created a similar number of chances as Sunderland. We have a better manager now, better players, and he'll be playing further forward. Not out of the question at all.
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This is what calm, reasoned criticism / analysis of Rooney's game looks like.
Yep. He's gone from being THE key man in Van Gaal's eyes, to probably only being the 4th or 5th most important attacking player now. That benefits everyone.
Just the question of how he and Pogba will fit into the same team.
It looked good until he started talking about Rooney in midfield!
Yeah, with Pogba and Mkhitaryan, there is also a possibility that he'll be benched by November. All going to be very interesting finding out.
The 'difference' is that Ibra is the current Golden Boy, and Rooney the Whipping Boy. So it'll be shrugged off like the non-story it is for Ibra, and blown out of all proportion for Rooney by people looking for any excuse to criticise. Otherwise, there was no 'difference' at all.
'Aggressive manner' indeed. It was a calm, controlled and matter-of-fact comment without a hint of aggression. Utterly desperate stuff.
Or one just came off his highest scoring season and the other has been average to terrible for three years running.
Once our Europa League games start I think he'll start getting rotated. I'm hoping we play Rooney in the EL and Zlatan in the PL.
Which basically backs up my point, rather than disproves it. It's not so much the comment people object to - which was nothing - it's the person making it.
He was crap again today, anyone saying otherwise needs to re-evaluate how they are judging players. I said at the start of the season he would be the downfall of this team and I still firmly believe that. In standard Rooney fashion he got a goal which will mask another terrible performance. I really hope Jose is going to slowly phase him out as he brings nothing to the team that other players could in the 10 role.
There is just too much wrong with him. You don't even know where to begin. He can have his scoring record, all fine and stuff. But it doesn't take away the fact that he's been super poor for too long and does not deserve to start games anymore
I wouldn't get too carried away with that. His form has always been erratic and a lot of people are going off his recent bad patch while playing deep. We've seen him do very well there. He's somewhere in between.
He couldn't hold down a starting spot with the squad now, but he makes good enough use of time and space. His pace and touch is less of an issue deeper. He works hard and has decent defensive instinct. He's not the combative kid he once was, but he's physical enough. He takes the responsibility well.
Now, is that enough to put him ahead of Pogba, Herrera, Carrick, Schneiderlin or Fellaini. Nope. To say he can't do a job there is a little much, though.
Anyone who thinks he played well today is biased and blind. He's finished at this level how can you fools not see that - beggars belief.
More to the point, how come none of his well regarded, handsomely paid managers can see it?
Club politics.
His cocksure answer when asked about having to prove everyone again hurt my soul. He really made it sound like we are all being stupid not to rate him.
If Jose is plotting his downfall, Rooney will not take that downfall very well if it happens. Rooney will have to be forced out of this club, he will not walk away by himself.
If Jose is plotting his downfall, Rooney will not take that downfall very well if it happens. Rooney will have to be forced out of this club, he will not walk away by himself.
What is your point anyway? That he was right to say he's got nothing to prove? Well, if so, you could quote a million posts and you'd still be wrong -- which player ever has nothing to prove at the start of a PL season? He, at the very least, has to prove he's still a half decent player to start for a club like ours. If he doesn't and he continues to be in the starting xi that just shows the unhealthy influence he has at this club. He's clearly holding us back and every single person could see it. You somehow want to make it sound like everybody hates him and doesn't want him to do well -- it's actually quite the opposite!
He linked play passed forward when he could, created space and ran forward of zlatan had 3 opportunities hit the target each time scored a goal 90% pass completion and organised the team.
Standard Rooney to day. All round mediocre but nabs a goal.
Didn't really create, link up well, spread play, hold up the ball, beat a man.
Did score a worldie no, did run past 4 players? He isn't about that any more but he moved the team forward as much as possible. He switched play well he contributed to the team.
Herrera didn't play badly but he certainly broke up our attack much more than Rooney is being accused of.
Agreed that the criticism of Rooney's play today is a bit OTT, but that's not a great comparison. There had been a few changes that broke the flow when Herrera took over. That and he barely had time to adjust to the change.
No, just that it wasn't worth all the faux-outrage. If anything can be described as a 'storm in a tea cup', it's this.
Mate, if we were going by this thread alone, you'd have to say it isn't. It's just pages and pages of sheer, unrelenting negativity for the most part. A negativity which is, if you ask me, way out of proportion when compared to his actual performances (definitely some poor ones in the first half of last season, but he's been quite good since January, otherwise).
I happen to know i'm not the only person who thinks like this, and that there are others who simply can't be arsed to come here and argue back, because it's just shovelling shit against the tide.
Absolutely would not sell to Arsenal. He's still more than capable of scoring 25 goals in a team that creates chances like Arsenal would.
Herrera on a number of occasions got the ball when we were pressing and went back to our defenders, seems to be his default Bournemouth got organised and we had to start again.
Rooney finished the game with a goal and 90% pass completion, it's an away game at the start of the season, unless he is putting in 10/10 performances the abuse he gets is crazy, he its ok to put in a grind performance work hard and win a game without looking like messi that's what our whole team did today
Agreed about the first part. But also anyone that thought he was incredibly poor are also biased and blinded by hate. He was average.
Rooney scored a good goal and if he had been our striker, I would have been more than happy with his performance. But as a No.10, he just does not do enough to link up play. He kept losing the ball in tight areas and other players had to put in some good tackles to win the ball back. For his sake, he needs to keep scoring goals to justify his place in the team.
I never get this "finished" at this level business.
Finished at being highly influential at a top team, for certain.
Finished at being a Premier league player? Not for years
This is really the crux of the matter. Hes incredibly conservative in possession and chooses the safe options 9 times out of 10. This is fine for say a CB, but not for a #10.
Not saying we should get rid, but it's not fair to the other players that a vastly under performing Rooney should play week in and week out on reputation alone.
This and having such a limited player playing as a No.10 affects the whole team's attacking play. If he has to start then I think the best thing to do is to shunt him out to the right wing and give him a role where he has to use his movement to get into scoring positions and link up play with Valencia. I think we could get more from the team if he is not central to our attacking play.
I'd be very tempted.
Though we might need to give them the 30m to get them to accept.
At least Depay has some pace though.
How can there be so much hate towards our Captain?Rooney is not going anywhere this season and he may well end up as our top striker at the end of the season.
Can't we just enjoy today's win for once without the usual Rooney bashing?
Can't we just enjoy today's win for once without the usual Rooney bashing?
It was a good instinctive finish.
General play wise, not insanely bad as people would like to suggest...but his touch and control is sickening at times.
General play wise, not insanely bad as people would like to suggest...but his touch and control is sickening at times.
I just used Herrera because I thought everyone played alright but if I HAD to pick the least influential player it would be him, there were ore positives than faults just trying to highlight that everyone made mistakes at some point.
I couldn't use Fellaini because he was only there to break play up, Herrera more than once lost the ball in the final third and had Bournemouth been more alert we would of been in trouble. Rooney played one, ONE! pass that set Bournemouth on the counter and this performance thread jumped about 5 pages!
I appreciate you aren't attacking Rooney, and you're right Herrera wasnt bad I'd say 6/10 and an improvement on his normal performances under lvg, I feel his eagerness to please meant he was brained washed the most by lvg and hence his need to pass backwards when ever he can
lol @ the average rating score
A rare post in this thread hitting the nail bang on, trying to defuse the hatred means you consider him undroppable apparently
Well obviously the person saying it makes a difference, that's always going to be the case. Context is pretty important for most quotes.
30 mil? I would give him away for free!
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