2 games this season. 1 goal, 1 assist. Just saying.
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2 games this season. 1 goal, 1 assist. Just saying.
I believe stats can help you be more objective because we all are influenced by bias all of the time.
You often hear people that don't like stats in football say 'there is only one stat that matters' so how did Rooney do on that count today?
@clarkydaz
Unsuccessful touches and dispossession are two different stats. Rooney tends to have too many unsuccessful touches rather than getting tackled dribbling.
Indeed.Then play him as a 9. He's not as good as Ibra so it would be a shame but that at least makes sense.
And I'm not dismissing stats. I'm dismissing people using them carelessly.
Stats show what people have been saying, he gave away the ball more than 10 times today judging by the stats too. 90% passing accuracy from 51 pass mean that he misplaced his passes 5 times, other stats show he had 2 unsuccesful long passes, 4 unsuccesful touches, and was diposessed twice, all more than our any other player, while being nowhere near adventuruous with the ball.
He was also our worst player judging by defensive stats, he was the only player in the team who didn't make single interception or clearance, so I am not sure which stats are exactly in his favour?
I have a couple of gripes with Rooney. The first being that he repeatedly proclaims it unnecessary for him to prove himself. Just like any player at United, he needs to prove himself in every match.
My second gripe is that he jogs around the pitch for a great majority of any match unwilling to make darting runs or even track back any longer, but somehow he has become cunning enough to make a couple of sprints showing decent pace in the 44th and 89th minute, as if saying to the manager and the fans that "I give 100% through the entire match".
My biggest gripe with him is his lack of outright ability at this stage. His touch and his decisions are awful. When he runs with the ball it looks like he is running through syrup. He looks completely undroppable even under Mourinho. How Mata was taken off before Rooney is a mystery I cannot fathom
My second gripe is that he jogs around the pitch for a great majority of any match unwilling to make darting runs or even track back any longer, but somehow he has become cunning enough to make a couple of sprints showing decent pace in the 44th and 89th minute, as if saying to the manager and the fans that "I give 100% through the entire match".
My biggest gripe with him is his lack of outright ability at this stage. His touch and his decisions are awful. When he runs with the ball it looks like he is running through syrup. He looks completely undroppable even under Mourinho. How Mata was taken off before Rooney is a mystery I cannot fathom
1 game this season 1 goal, not bad at all, but let's be acurate
What assist did he provide?
Long passes are included in his overall pass completion and that he made more long passes than any other outfield player makes his high (for an attacker) pass completion even more impressive.
Not sure why you are looking for a 10 to have good defensive stats.
Go and work out how many times Zlatan gave the ball away today and see how much abuse he is getting for it in his thread.
So why does he get up out of bed everyday and drag himself through all that pain and suffering to win more medals? Because he wants to prove to himself and to the world that he's still got it.
You don't just suddenly 'prove yourself' and then no one can criticise you. Rooney proved he was a very good player but he has everything to prove when it comes to whether or not he is still one and a huge amount of people do not think he is.
Moreover almost by definition saying that you've proved yourself is indicative of someone resting on their laurels. If Rooney's been allowed to walk around the club thinking he's got a God given right to wear the shirt because of what he did in the past then no wonder we've played like a bunch of idiots for three years.
It's incredibly surprising to see a professional sports person talk like that. The only defence you can make for him is that he was caught off guard. If there's the slightest suggestion that this is actually his attitude then he should not be a Manchester United player.
What's the point of people telling us that Wayne feeling he "has nothing to prove" is a sign of a winner's self-confidence if they habitually tell us that "he's lacking confidence" when they need an excuse for yet another poor performance?
Lauding Rooney for claiming he's nothing to prove is as laughably weak and transparent as van Gaal's utter lie that he doesn't believe in competition for places.
Lauding Rooney for claiming he's nothing to prove is as laughably weak and transparent as van Gaal's utter lie that he doesn't believe in competition for places.
Scored but was mostly bad. One of Fellaini, Herrera or Rooney will almost definitely sit next game for Pogba - based on today's performances it definitely has to be Rooney.
Good lord we cant even agree that he's shit?
What tv brand are you guys buying? Changhong?
What tv brand are you guys buying? Changhong?
Daewooney.
Rooney looks like he's a punch drunk boxer, slowly losing all his skills.
I still don't think he was as bad as he often is in general play. However as a 10 he was very poor. Other than the goal he offered almost nothing in an attacking sense.
Nah, will probably be Herrera who makes way for Pogba. Rooney will stay in the side for a while yet I suspect.
We all know that captain super Wayne will start again and again. Afterall, he's got nothing to prove.
I think that's what will happen too, but that doesn't mean that's what should happen. Rooney was definitely the worst of the three.
Didn't know that they are counted, but even if they are, that's 11 instead of 13, big difference. How many impressive long passes he made exactly? And I am not sure making lots of long diagonal passes to fullback or to your keeper is what number ten should be about.
I am looking because it's criminal that he is the only player who made zero defensive contribution today, even though he is generally regarded as the one who helps out a lot defensively.
Ibrahimovic probably has some worse stats which is not a surprise considering striker who is furthest forward generally has shit stats regarding passing. But he was much better than Rooney anyway, and he didn't even had some good game.
The fact is, he gives the ball away much, he is terrible in his all around game, he even missed two good chances today, what exactly is he great at?
Not a mention of Rooney, even when prompted:
I do get the impression Mourinho himself knows Rooney's not really up to it, and is giving him a chance this season with the knowledge that if he doesn't perform, he can drop him and phase him out. Mind you, I'm sure many of us thought that with LVG for a while...
As slow as he is in actually moving/running it is the distinct inability to move his feet quickly to manipulate his body position and/or the ball that is becoming incredibly obvious and hampers his overall game so much.
Fair play he got a goal but his overall performance wouldn't have looked out of place with much of his efforts last season.
What test is it that they used to discover that all those African players weren't actually the age they claimed? He looks rough as balls for someone a few years younger than myself (and an "athlete" at that).
Fair play he got a goal but his overall performance wouldn't have looked out of place with much of his efforts last season.
What test is it that they used to discover that all those African players weren't actually the age they claimed? He looks rough as balls for someone a few years younger than myself (and an "athlete" at that).
Don't think I've ever heard a winner talk like that. Its the sort of talk you hear from a guy who's just come 37 out of 38 people in a race and talk about how the fact they qualified in the first place means they have nothing to prove.
Winners relish proving themselves. It's an intrinsic part of what makes them a winner.
If he wasn't paid so much he'd get cut a lot more slack.
Well, the majority of people who have entered this thread.
I don't suppose you're speaking for match going fans or the ones who haven't bothered to post in this train wreck. So the opinion isn't as universal as you're suggesting I don't think. Also large portions of the people posting here seem to find fault in any performance (or comment) regardless, to a far higher degree than with any other United player, even though many perform worse on a consistent basis.
The bias enters when confronted with factual statistics proving he wasn't the most wasteful and did move the ball forwards and was involved in goals and attacks, some people still default to their own 'opinion' which is that he was garbage, slowed ALL our play and it AlWAYs broke down with him and remember than ONE pass that went straight to a Bournemouth player
someone please gif that so we can laugh at how shit our captain is.I mean if it's not bias I don't know which world you're living on. Of course it's prevelant on both sides and I don't think he was great today, but equally not that poor at all.
And it's not unfair for people to complain, I myself have said from halfway through last season to the current day that he isn't cutting the mustard at 10. I'd prefer Mata there or Mkhiki if he hits the ground running to allow us to play an actual RW with pace.
However what goes on in this thread and across the forum has left complaining behind, some time ago. For some it seems to have reached levels of obsession that quite frankly worry me.
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszon...er-stats/13017/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor
Wayne's passing map. All sideways
It's amazing how as a number 10 he made literally no forward pass, just sideways and backwards pass
Wayne's passing map. All sideways
It's amazing how as a number 10 he made literally no forward pass, just sideways and backwards pass
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Put the goal on a plate for Lingard in the CS.
"You could literally feel the game slowing down around Rooney, like Keanu Reeves in The Matrix but with a less flexible back."
Quote from last season but remains true.
Quote from last season but remains true.
For Lingard in the Charity Shield.
If you want to know why Martial was anonymous the first half, look at the sheer number of passes to the right wing that he made. It's the default option for him whether we're having any joy with Valencia or not.
It's not an assist when a player dribbles past 3 players to score. It was a regular pass out of the danger zone.
Not really. He could be paying Utd to play and 99% of the critics here would still say the same.
There's a reason for that. Bournemouth are more vary of Martial. Mata isn't a winger and was very mobile, often coming inside or down for the ball. That gave Valencia a runway down the right and him being a good timer of runs got the ball a lot. In the 2nd half Bournemouth changed their approach because they had to.
If he'd been looking the other way and it had bounced off his arse into Lingard's path, it would still be an assist. There's nothing in the definition that says it has to be an incisive through ball or a whipped cross to count.
Yes but it's perfect proof of why stats without context are useless.
Ridiculous isn't it? Yeah, Wayne, we know you're garbage -- you don't have to prove it. I seriously wish he'd feck off.
I didn't think he was that bad today but he's definitely a spent force.
The pass to Lingard near the half way line.
Some people are actually calling it an assist. Pfft...
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