Can someone tell me how he played in full detail. What did he di good, what wrong?(Didnt watch the game)
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"Nothing to prove"? Get out, then.
The thing about Rooney though is that what people are classing as an average performance from him is poor. If a player creates feck all in the way of service, instead opting for safe, cop-out wide passes on a regular basis, and consistently loses the ball while being incredibly slow to react to everything, then that is poor.
He was really poor. All someone has to do is make a Rooney touch compilation and the video will prove it. Martial was quiet for large parts, but he actually looked dangerous once he started going after their players. Martial was also was a defensive liability towards the end which rightfully got him subbed.
Rooney did not look dangerous at all. You can't really count on him to get the basics right at this moment which can mess with the attack.
Rooney did not look dangerous at all. You can't really count on him to get the basics right at this moment which can mess with the attack.
This.
Compared to usual Rooney, this was a half decent performance.
For a team that wants to be challenging for titles, he was poo(p).
Michael Phelps has the definition of nothing to prove.
It doesn't stop them trying or training harder or bringing the same level of competitiveness, it's not a complacency thing it's just about separating the past from the present.
Frankly I just find it amusing the multitude of ways people will go out of their way to bash some United players... Particularly as fans.
His performance was average, he got a goal and we won well. His post match interview was fine and Rooney's drive and work ethic is probably the least questionable aspect of his game, which is plain to anyone with an ounce of objectivity.
Sorely lacking in this thread and forum, unfortunately.
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He had four unsuccessful touches, the same as Mata. He had a 90% pass completion rate for the whole game with 7/9 successful long passes.
Four unsuccessful touches was too high but to say that he gave the ball away consistently is an exaggeration if you ask me. For comparison Zlatan had two unsuccessful touches and a pass completion of 76%.
I think there was one occasion when he didn't play Zlatan in but he did get Valencia into good crossing positions a few times.
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Rooney's comments on having nothing to prove just seems like his way of coping with pressure.
Wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. If someone really wanted to settle the Rooney debate, they'd go through this exercise for this season and last.
Lmao. We've got the the point Rooneyistas are saying he wasn't abhorrently shite, and therefore we should be frothing at averagely mediocre.
The stats won't tell the full story. There was a counterattack that Rooney messed up that did not count as a bad pass or dispossession, but he did mess it up. Or my memory is wrong and he did mess up the pass or possession directly.
It's ridiculous.
I'd love it if he was playing well, he's a club legend and we've all been lucky to witness his time here, but he's done. His performance today was horrible, every attack broke down when it reached him and that dive, ffs.
They don't tell the full story of course but I think they do prove that the negative reaction to his performance is way over the top.
Some people in this thread are clutching. Reminds me of Trump supporters.
Nothing like hyperbole.
Also good English skills, averagely mediocre? I thought he was stunningly fantastic but would settle for brilliantly good.
I am not Rooney hater nor defender,just find amazing his first touch,i mean brick wall have better first touch,whats ever worse those balls arent smashed into him either,just dont understan how is that possible.
He wasn't average, he was shite. Lost the ball constantly and provided feck all attacking wise.
Also he dived when he had a good chance to score and he put De Gea under a lot of pressure with a horrible backpass.
I want Rooney to do well like anyone else, but he is a hindrance to this team at the moment.
Also he dived when he had a good chance to score and he put De Gea under a lot of pressure with a horrible backpass.
I want Rooney to do well like anyone else, but he is a hindrance to this team at the moment.
That's the part that's been questioned the most. SAF even noted his notoriously poor conditioning in his fecking book.
Our worst player by some distance. Mourinho needs to drop him before he starts costing us points.
One does not concur.
I mean on the pitch really, I think it's well noted that Rooney always works hard for the 90 and puts in a very good defensive shift too.
He's averaged 40 games and over every year for us with just 3 exceptions at the high 30s after injuries.
That doesn't happen without working hard.
He wasn't good but he scored a goal
He was just okay, for me as good as Mata and better than Martial. He scored a good goal and for the most part kept it well (see stats rather than relying on your own bias).
Not risky enough and didnt drive it forward or look to furnish Ibra with enough chances, would be my main issue and I'd like to see Mata or Mkhiki there with more pace on the right to help Ibra.
But he and the team played well, great win on the opening day and 3 goals for players who all needed them.
Anyone rushing in here to have a whinge need's their head examined, it's a bit sad. As for the comments after that's a complete non story and only gets brought up by the kind of folk who lead the post count in this thread.
Have a good day!
Not risky enough and didnt drive it forward or look to furnish Ibra with enough chances, would be my main issue and I'd like to see Mata or Mkhiki there with more pace on the right to help Ibra.
But he and the team played well, great win on the opening day and 3 goals for players who all needed them.
Anyone rushing in here to have a whinge need's their head examined, it's a bit sad. As for the comments after that's a complete non story and only gets brought up by the kind of folk who lead the post count in this thread.
Have a good day!
2 games, 2 times substituted. I think he'll eventually be dropped at some point this season.
It's gotten to the point that I'd much rather we start with 10 players than start with Rooney who actively fecks up our tempo and disrupts countless of our moves. It's just quite tragic to watch him try and play football nowdays.
I honestly fee that i'd score as much (or more) than Rooney if i played as often, I might be a little fatter but much better looking and not kicked a football in years but I'm certain if I spent enough time in the box,some scraps will eventually fall my way. It's not like I have anything to prove to anyone
Looks like Mou, like LVG before him will only drop Rooney when the results start getting bad. He'll play as long as we're grinding out good wins
Looks like Mou, like LVG before him will only drop Rooney when the results start getting bad. He'll play as long as we're grinding out good wins
It's encouraging that he's being substituted at least. van Gaal would give him 90 minutes no matter what.
Why's it bias? We all just watched the same game and the vast majority were if the opinion that he was shit. Where does bias come into it?
Why would anyone want to pretend a United player was poor when he wasn't? It makes no sense. If anything bias is more likely to lead to defensive attitudes to his poor play.
I'd love him to have a stormer of a game and I'd be in here celebrating if it were to happen, but it looks less likely to happen with every passing game.
It's not sad that people are complaining. It's entirely understandable. We all want the best possible team out there and instead we have to see him shoehorned in when he's not up to it any more. That's what's sad.
When did that ever happen ?
Call me whatever name you want but a small part of me was annoyed when he got his tap in today. Allows everyone to play blind for that much longer.
I seriously can't understand how can anyone say he was anything else than terrible today. That wasn't an average performance ffs, Ibra was maybe average without the goal or Mata, Rooney was absolutely terrible, he lost the ball or messed the attack countless times due to looking like a drunk person on slippery floor. If I was his fan I would actually feel sorry for him for that performance, he doesn't even look like fit PL player at least few times per game. Anyone saying he was even average should stop following football.
Its only bias when you're negative you see.
Bald stats without context apparently answer everything too. As a researcher I wish that was fecking true.
Learning new things all the time in this thread.
Bald stats without context apparently answer everything too. As a researcher I wish that was fecking true.
Learning new things all the time in this thread.
Okay, I'm in the bottom 92nd percentile of posters, am I allowed an opinion?
For a £250k+ a week #10, he wasn't creative enough, or physical enough.
I don't doubt his desire. I don't particularly question his work rate, although in the league of hardest working footballers he'd be nowhere, and he's paid the wages of a top echelon striker not a creative midfielder anyway.
I do, however, doubt his technical prowess in, perhaps, the most difficult position on the pitch. The ball literally bounces off him. He has no pace or legs anymore. He hasn't the strength anymore to compensate for his first touch, when perhaps 2007 Rooney would miscontrol it but bully the opposition off it.
He's spent.
He wasn't terrible today, but Gerrard wasn't completely toss in his last year either.
YVMV.
I said that they don't tell the whole story but do you agree that pass completion stats and unsuccessful touches can tell us if he gave the ball away constantly or not?
I've a feeling the posts in this thread will be the same every weekend. Absolutely shocking once again. Everyone knows how bad he was today. No matter how bad he plays he'll always get a goal from somewhere which will keep him in the team. The sooner he beats Sir Bobby's record the better.
It's a bigger conversation beyond Rooney. I've seen plenty of threads in last year discussing this as football is a weird sport that stats really don't provide useful conclusions as you find in other sports.
His pass completion will always be reasonable as he makes plenty of side and back short passes every game.
I've little interest in his pass completion to be honest provided he could be seen to be attempting forward through-passes regularly, making runs/dribbles, getting an assist or two and a goal every few games. That's what his position demands and you don't really need stats if you watch the full 90.
What people praise him for is what you would praise a 6 or 8 for. And even then, he's not worthy of praise.
I disagree to be honest. Its a sign of things to come and he is doing it first game of season
Someone in here described his touch as being like kicking a ball at a tin bucket, sounds about right to me
Stats don't tell the whole story, how about see the game through non-Rooney tinted glasses than relying on your own bias?
Slows the game down near every time he gets the ball. If we are going to play a 10 Mata is head and shoulders better in that role.
Weirdly I want Rooney and Fellaini out of the team for very similar reasons despite defending both for much longer than most.
Weirdly I want Rooney and Fellaini out of the team for very similar reasons despite defending both for much longer than most.
last week in the CS stats told us he had 0 disposession
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