A bit. When I said every Ibra post by wr8_utd is negative I meant that literally. It's every single post. That's impressively bias.
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A bit. When I said every Ibra post by wr8_utd is negative I meant that literally. It's every single post. That's impressively bias.
They're specialists at putting other players down to praise their own version of Wayne Rooney. It's been Mata, then Herrera, now Zlatan, all just to justify Rooney. The very idea that anyone thinks that they can compare Zlatan and Rooney in any time frame, past or present, makes me doubt their credibility as watchers of football. I wonder what they'd do when the guy leaves, which is soon I hope.
Yep couldnt agree more.Thats what Id like to see too.
I'm worried that Mourinho's comments about mental toughness means he will be starting again. He does deserve to still be in the mix somehow as he still has goals and assists in him. The problem is that he disrupts the fluidity of our play with his bad touches, giving the ball away etc.
I can see Mourinho picking him in place of Zlatan against Arsenal.
I can see Mourinho picking him in place of Zlatan against Arsenal.
Rooney rejected move to China, says Beijing chairman
Wayne Rooney turned down a move from Manchester United to the Chinese Super League, according to Beijing Guoan’s honorary chairman.
Lou Ning claims Rooney’s agent Paul Stretford met up with Chinese side Beijing Guoan in the summer after the club made an approach for the England international.
The Red Devils captain has been dropped from the starting line-up several times this season and even lost his place in the England side earlier in the campaign.
However, Ning has revealed that the 31-year-old – who is under contract until 2019 at Old Trafford – rejected China in favour of remaining in Manchester.
“We indeed made an approach for Rooney at the beginning of the season but he’s informed us that he wants to stay in Manchester United,” Ning told a Beijing radio sports show.
“Rooney says he’ll keep playing in the Premier League as long as his health allows. We even met with his agent.”
http://www.football365.com/news/rooney-rejected-move-to-china-says-beijing-chairman
Wayne Rooney turned down a move from Manchester United to the Chinese Super League, according to Beijing Guoan’s honorary chairman.
Lou Ning claims Rooney’s agent Paul Stretford met up with Chinese side Beijing Guoan in the summer after the club made an approach for the England international.
The Red Devils captain has been dropped from the starting line-up several times this season and even lost his place in the England side earlier in the campaign.
However, Ning has revealed that the 31-year-old – who is under contract until 2019 at Old Trafford – rejected China in favour of remaining in Manchester.
“We indeed made an approach for Rooney at the beginning of the season but he’s informed us that he wants to stay in Manchester United,” Ning told a Beijing radio sports show.
“Rooney says he’ll keep playing in the Premier League as long as his health allows. We even met with his agent.”
http://www.football365.com/news/rooney-rejected-move-to-china-says-beijing-chairman
What a hypocrite! You do the same in regards to Rooney. Thing is, you can't even bring yourself to praise Rooney when he has a good performance, whereas if Ibra has a good performance I'll say.
Lets stick to the truth, otherwise don't say anything.
Which is?
I see this myth being trotted out. He had good season up to xmas and then he turned to being shite there after.
yep, had a point prove when his future was uncertain
I praised Rooney for years and years. I can't praise him for bring poor.
It's not hypocritical to criticise a player. It is hypocritical though to criticise one and complement another for doing the same thing.
Just to quote the statistics from another thread I replied to:
From season 2011-12 until 2016-17, his goal per game average is as follows:
0.46 goals per game in those 6 seasons.
Take that season away and from the moment he started the season where we last won the league under Sir Alex Ferguson, his statistics are as follows:
0.39 goals per game. This equates to a goal every 183 minutes since the 2011/12 season.
To analyse this further, in the same time period:
Wayne Rooney has played 15,341 minutes since 2011/12 and scores a goal every 183 minutes.
Robin Van Persie has played 14,562 minutes since 2011/12 and scores a goal every 132 minutes.
Javier "Chicharito" Hernandez has played 9,297 minutes since 2011/12 and scores a goal every 147 minutes.
To put this into perspective with two other players, Zlatan and Luis Suarez:
Zlatan Ibrahimovic has played 17,824 minutes since 2011/12 and scores a goal every 103 minutes.
Luis Suarez has played 17,040 minutes since 2011/12 and scores a goal every 114 minutes.
For me, he is clearly overpaid for the service he provides his employers and to be honest, he shouldn't get a payrise at all. If he wants one, then he has to earn that right. Staying with us for more than 10 years doesn't give him that right when he is simply plodding around. As far as I'm concerned, he could stay here for another 10 years and I will not put him in front of Keane, Cantona or Robson because at least they played for the shirt, the team and the supporters.
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From season 2011-12 until 2016-17, his goal per game average is as follows:
0.46 goals per game in those 6 seasons.
Take that season away and from the moment he started the season where we last won the league under Sir Alex Ferguson, his statistics are as follows:
0.39 goals per game. This equates to a goal every 183 minutes since the 2011/12 season.
To analyse this further, in the same time period:
Wayne Rooney has played 15,341 minutes since 2011/12 and scores a goal every 183 minutes.
Robin Van Persie has played 14,562 minutes since 2011/12 and scores a goal every 132 minutes.
Javier "Chicharito" Hernandez has played 9,297 minutes since 2011/12 and scores a goal every 147 minutes.
To put this into perspective with two other players, Zlatan and Luis Suarez:
Zlatan Ibrahimovic has played 17,824 minutes since 2011/12 and scores a goal every 103 minutes.
Luis Suarez has played 17,040 minutes since 2011/12 and scores a goal every 114 minutes.
For me, he is clearly overpaid for the service he provides his employers and to be honest, he shouldn't get a payrise at all. If he wants one, then he has to earn that right. Staying with us for more than 10 years doesn't give him that right when he is simply plodding around. As far as I'm concerned, he could stay here for another 10 years and I will not put him in front of Keane, Cantona or Robson because at least they played for the shirt, the team and the supporters.
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You can praise him for having a decent game.
You can also criticise Ibra for having a poor one. You don't do much of that.
Practice what you preach.
Same goes for you mate.
You tend to worship Rooney when he is crap and criticise Ibra when he's been clearly better.
You obviously haven't checked my posts in the Ibra thread. You're making that up.
Looks fat as F8ck in the pictures of the training session
@Dobbs has had a go at Ibra many times! Check his posts in the Ibra thread again then. I even thought he had something personal against him at first in the summer
But having followed the Ibra thread a lot he also has defended him and praised him and put in very good points both for and against Zlatan.He's easily one of the better posters on here so I'm sure he can praise Rooney when he think he's played well. Problem is though, Rooney often plays bad.
Another pivot table with regards to show how well Wayne Rooney has done since the season of 2011/12. All other player statistics are based on players who began like Wayne Rooney; the 2011/12 season:
http://prntscr.com/d5n91s
For the Premier League:
http://prntscr.com/d5na3m
Minutes per goal against European competition:
http://prntscr.com/d5nc0b
http://prntscr.com/d5n91s
For the Premier League:
http://prntscr.com/d5na3m
Minutes per goal against European competition:
http://prntscr.com/d5nc0b
Again, stick to the truth.
I have, but like you said to me in regards to Ibra, I think you are 'much much harsher' on Rooney. You may say he deserves it - maybe he does, but Ibra, prior to the Swansea game, was pretty poor, and he didn't get half the stick Rooney got.
Rooney had a good game for his recent standards, albeit against Swansea, and all you could is find every single negative there is. Pretty much sums up this thread, unfortunately.
@Dobbs has had a go at Ibra many times! Check his posts in the Ibra thread again then. I even thought he had something personal against him at first in the summer
He's easily one of the better posters on here so I'm sure he can praise Rooney when he think he's played well. Problem is though, Rooney often plays bad.
I have also defended Rooney and criticised him. What's your point?
@dichinero and @Walters_19_MuFc . This has been going on for hours and the argument is becoming circular. Enjoy the forum just like I am and discuss other things. 
To be honest, I really don't have anything against @Walters_19_MuFc at all. I quite enjoy some of @Walters_19_MuFc posts on other threads but when it comes to the Rooney threads, he is a known serial Rooney fanboy and some extreme levels and is known to be incredibly biased at the expense of other players, just behind another poster I need not mention. It's nothing personal, it's a forum.@dichinero and @Walters_19_MuFc . This has been going on for hours and the argument is becoming circular. Enjoy the forum just like I am and discuss other things.
I know chap, but it was straying from the point and as a newbie who has been newly promoted, it can be disconcerting to read posts of that nature. So, not to derail the thread no further, here are statistics you might be interested in about Rooney:
http://prntscr.com/d5pbqh
Rooney in the Premier league:
http://prntscr.com/d5pdde
Minute per goal Europe (I cannot for the life of me remember if that was league or actual European Cup competitions):
http://prntscr.com/d5pdx9
Mate I know it's the Rooney thread but you really need to give up just fabricating stuff.
I didn't comment at all on Rooney after the Swansea game never mind post "every single negative."
As I said before if you think I haven't criticised Ibra much you seriously need to look again. Your equivalents in that thread came up with the usual "hater" and "agenda" stuff to describe me. Another poster (A big Ibra fan) has confirmed this for you.
I'll leave this one here.
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He hasn't been good enough in the last couple of seasons but I'm struggling to see why you would compare goal to game stats with a guy who plays number 10 and at some periods central midfield to pure number nines who play as a striker every game. What's the point? We get it, he's not been good enough but what's with the pointless stat comparisons?
He hasn't been good enough in the last couple of seasons but I'm struggling to see why you would compare goal to game stats with a guy who plays number 10 and at some periods central midfield to pure number nines who play as a striker every game. What's the point? We get it, he's not been good enough but what's with the pointless stat comparisons?[/QUOTE]
Would be more interesting to see Rooney's goal plus assist ratio. Maybe the poster can come with one.
Would be more interesting to see Rooney's goal plus assist ratio. Maybe the poster can come with one.[/QUOTE]
If you are talking goal + assist ratio for minutes played, then here you go:
Premier League:
http://prntscr.com/d5wycb
European Leagues:
http://prntscr.com/d5wylk
La Liga for comparisson (0.64 ratio for the Premier league on average. 1.06 ratio for La Liga)
I hope that helps.
Indeed, I am in agreement, but how on earth does that help the team? He charges around like Roy of the rovers trying to help in every position possible and this can not only be detrimental to his health (burnout) it can also undermine his teammates competence in their own abilities in their position.
Furthermore, he is in no way a false 9, a right-winger or left-winger and he should just stay away, since he just doesn't have the abilities to do those posts. He should have stayed where we needed him most instead of trying to copy the likes of Iniesta, Xavi or Paul Scholes, because he is simply not good enough for those positions. Furthermore, I think he may be an hindrance to the team and not benefitial.
At the end of the day, you just cannot say that Rooney is more than just that and leave it there. At least come up with something that can substantiate your opinion.
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Lookin' good with the beard. I approve.
I knew the poxy fluke assists would now be used to show he's a world beater.
Fact is the majority of those assists were either a piece of cake OR jammy.
Fact is the majority of those assists were either a piece of cake OR jammy.
What's an un-piece of cake or un-jammy assist to you?
You know, one that didn't come off his knee or was an attempted shot. ....that kinda thing
Even the one to Zlatan last week was behind him. Reality is Rooney is stealing a living.
So your majority is what, one out of seven from this season?
So you would count the fener shot etc etc etc
Or the two yard pass to Jesse, 60 yards from goal
Get real, he's finished
He does look like he partial to a tray of cake and tonnes of jammy dodgers every season!
Yeah, that's pretty much the only thing that counts going by your definition. Was there something else?
In English?
Messi has 2 assists this season iirc, so who do you believe to be the more creative player?
The only stat worth its salt is goals.
Was a passenger for most of yesterday's game. England looked like they were playing with 10 men but maybe in a way that's a good thing.. He didn't stifle the play because he was peripheral.
What is puzzling you about the post? And no, I didn't count at all his pass to Lingard, I do not consider it an assist at all actually.
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