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2016-17 Performances

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39
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8
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10
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Mrs Smoker said:
What is puzzling you about the post? And no, I didn't count at all his pass to Lingard, I do not consider it an assist at all actually.
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What is puzzling me is what point are you trying to make, my point is clear, but you quoted my fener "assists" and said that's the only one that counts?

Which is kinda the exact opposite of what I was saying?

That's what was puzzling me.

The obsession with stats is my point, Rooney has been horrible for 3 years now, that's pretty much a Rafa facht
 
You mentioned a definition as the "one that didn't come off his knee or was an attempted shot", and I just said that the only assist that falls under such description is the one from Fenerbahçe game. So, that one 'counts', that's what I meant.

Rafa facht, eh? :cool:
 
Raees said:
Was a passenger for most of yesterday's game. England looked like they were playing with 10 men but maybe in a way that's a good thing.. He didn't stifle the play because he was peripheral.
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I noticed this last night, they just pretended he wasn't there.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
Some people see that as a good Rooney performance , as it means he didn't do much wrong.
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I think it clear to see that he's done as a top footballer, hes no longer one of the "first name on the team sheet" players. Hey, this is life... things move on.

I know what you mean by "people" they think Utd is Wayne Rooney and vice a versa.

We've sold more talented players than him in the past and move on with the team all the better for it.
 
Lost the ball twice in dangerous positions last night when pretending to be a deep lying playmaker. It's worrying that he still thinks he can do it consistently. Luckily for us Scotland messed up the chance in the first half especially, that should have been 1-1.

Love how he tried to blame the ref for not giving the foul, you passed it straight to their player FFS!
 
Adam-Utd said:
Lost the ball twice in dangerous positions last night when pretending to be a deep lying playmaker. It's worrying that he still thinks he can do it consistently. Luckily for us Scotland messed up the chance in the first half especially, that should have been 1-1.

Love how he tried to blame the ref for not giving the foul, you passed it straight to their player FFS!
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That is the problem. He thinks he can do the job but in reality, he is not that good in that position and he really is pretentious. If he stuck to what he was good at in the first place, he might have beaten Sir Bobbys record already and we might have got further in International competitions with the England team. However, Rooney has been given free licence to do what he wants and this is detrimental, not only to the club, but also the England team.

M16Red said:
I think it clear to see that he's done as a top footballer, hes no longer one of the "first name on the team sheet" players. Hey, this is life... things move on.

I know what you mean by "people" they think Utd is Wayne Rooney and vice a versa.

We've sold more talented players than him in the past and move on with the team all the better for it.
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I have considered other players to be Manchester United and Wayne was not one of them, no matter what he did. I am guessing that since the gaffer went, he has decided to take it easy because I am sure that if the gaffer was still here, he would have been a better player for it. As it happens, he just doesn't care anymore and is perfectly happy to pick up his £300k per week for what can only be described as mediocre performances. In fact, if he had been signed by Barcelona in the season when Sir Alex had left, he would still be warming the bench 4 years on.
 
Just to put things into perspective:

Wayne Rooney for this calendar year:

http://prntscr.com/d6bt3n

The ranking tells the story of what was once a good player but who is and has been a ghost of his former self. Yet I struggle to find how we can continue to pay £300k per week for a player who is not pulling his weight and trying to be pretentious. Just for comparison:

Luis Suarez:

http://prntscr.com/d6bte5

Here is a player, dispicable as he is, who touches only £200k per week so, he earns less than Rooney yet is top of the list in both goals scored and point accumulated for this year.

http://prntscr.com/d6bu03

Here is another one who only gets £250k per week and he is not a pure striker, just like Messi, they have to go back and look for the ball too. Just that their passing range is far better.

I think it would be better if we cut our losses and invest in a player who wants to score goals, and at the same time be dynamic and motivated.

I remember this video from 6 years ago and looks like there was a bit of truth, even if it was a parody:

 
woodhouseparkred said:
Just to put things into perspective:

Wayne Rooney for this calendar year:

http://prntscr.com/d6bt3n

The ranking tells the story of what was once a good player but who is and has been a ghost of his former self. Yet I struggle to find how we can continue to pay £300k per week for a player who is not pulling his weight and trying to be pretentious.
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We pay him £300k a week or whatever because that's his contract, we don't really have an alternative because no one else would be willing to give him the same.

Not defending Rooney, but performance wise (if that was the only factor in wages, which it isn't) none of our players are worth what they are paid at the moment compared to other teams in the PL and abroad that we look way behind. Pick literally any one of our players and there is a lower paid rival outperforming them somewhere.
 
Mrs Smoker said:
You went comparing his pay with Barcelona frauds? Hehe.

Also, he's not on 300k.
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Wayne Rooney has also avoided taxes and used clever loopholes and schemes to pay as little as possible.

At least the Barcelona players earn their ill gotten gains.
 
I don't know how he played in the last 25 minutes as I fell asleep, but for the time I watched he simply waddled about on the periphery of the game acting like a cheerleader, but I don't really care about Rooney playing for Enlgand one way or another, sure we might be better with Dele in his place but I don't see Enlgand troubling the likes of Germany, France and Spain at a major tournemant any time soon.
 
only 6 caps short of equalling our all time top capped player now!
 
Thought he was decent last night aside from two brainfart moments that put us in trouble.

His touch is looking better and his set pieces were on point.

One assist and a bit unlucky not to have got another assist or a goal from the positions he got in to.
 
Leftback99 said:
We pay him £300k a week or whatever because that's his contract, we don't really have an alternative because no one else would be willing to give him the same.

Not defending Rooney, but performance wise (if that was the only factor in wages, which it isn't) none of our players are worth what they are paid at the moment compared to other teams in the PL and abroad that we look way behind. Pick literally any one of our players and there is a lower paid rival outperforming them somewhere.
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Yes, we did have an alternative when Sir Alex was around. But no, Rooney managed to wrap Moyes around his little finger and wanted a new contract. He got it and since then, he has done nothing of note. He could have been playing for Hull City and the standard would have been the same. As fans, we should expect better performances from a player that is being paid so much. Is that really too much to ask? I agree with the second paragraph too. So therefore, there is even less of an excuse to perform badly.
 
The White Pele said:
Thought he was decent last night aside from two brainfart moments that put us in trouble.

His touch is looking better and his set pieces were on point.

One assist and a bit unlucky not to have got another two assists or a goal from the positions he got in to.
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Fixed.

One could have been an assist to a Scotland goal. If that had been a Spanish/Italian/Portuguese or French team, we would have been punished. Personally, I thought that Walker, Rose, Sturridge, Lallana all had better games than Rooney.
 
woodhouseparkred said:
Yes, we did have an alternative when Sir Alex was around. But no, Rooney managed to wrap Moyes around his little finger and wanted a new contract. He got it and since then, he has done nothing of note. He could have been playing for Hull City and the standard would have been the same. As fans, we should expect better performances from a player that is being paid so much. Is that really too much to ask? I agree with the second paragraph too. So therefore, there is even less of an excuse to perform badly.
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We should expect more for £300k a week yes, but it's pretty obvious by now that we're not gonna get out our money's worth and theres not much we can do about it. We just need to accept him for what he is now, a vastly overpaid, useful on his best days squad player.
 
Leftback99 said:
We should expect more for £300k a week yes, but it's pretty obvious by now that we're not gonna get out our money's worth and theres not much we can do about it. We just need to accept him for what he is now, a vastly overpaid, useful on his best days squad player.
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He was 28 years of age when he signed his new contract with David Moyes when in reality if Moyes wanted a future, then he needed to have gotten ridden of Wayne Rooney. As it stands, we are stuck with him, and he will not accept any offers. I just hope that in 2019 we do not renew his contract at all. And yes, he is a squad player, an overpaid squad player.
 
The White Pele said:
Thought he was decent last night aside from two brainfart moments that put us in trouble.

His touch is looking better and his set pieces were on point.

One assist and a bit unlucky not to have got another assist or a goal from the positions he got in to.
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Was not decent at all, even the press picked up on how peripheral he was and that is saying something. It was a 4/10 performance, completely anonymous apart from that assist from a corner.

Will be interesting to see if he starts v Spain.. could get ugly.
 
Raees said:
Was not decent at all, even the press picked up on how peripheral he was and that is saying something. It was a 4/10 performance, completely anonymous apart from that assist from a corner.

Will be interesting to see if he starts v Spain.. could get ugly.
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It could be close too, who knows. Pique is injured, Busquets is in the worst form of his life, appartently Diego Costa is injured, Santi Cazorla will be injured, Iniesta is injured. It could go either way. In saying that, I am pretty sure that we might lose 0-2 to what would be an understrength Spanish team.
 
woodhouseparkred said:
Would be more interesting to see Rooney's goal plus assist ratio. Maybe the poster can come with one.
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If you are talking goal + assist ratio for minutes played, then here you go:

Premier League:

http://prntscr.com/d5wycb

European Leagues:

http://prntscr.com/d5wylk

La Liga for comparisson (0.64 ratio for the Premier league on average. 1.06 ratio for La Liga)

I hope that helps.



Indeed, I am in agreement, but how on earth does that help the team? He charges around like Roy of the rovers trying to help in every position possible and this can not only be detrimental to his health (burnout) it can also undermine his teammates competence in their own abilities in their position.

Furthermore, he is in no way a false 9, a right-winger or left-winger and he should just stay away, since he just doesn't have the abilities to do those posts. He should have stayed where we needed him most instead of trying to copy the likes of Iniesta, Xavi or Paul Scholes, because he is simply not good enough for those positions. Furthermore, I think he may be an hindrance to the team and not benefitial.

At the end of the day, you just cannot say that Rooney is more than just that and leave it there. At least come up with something that can substantiate your opinion.[/QUOTE]

I said he is more than just a scorer and 'leave it there' because your post I quoted seems like to indicate that he don't deserved his salary because he don't score enough. Salary he enjoyed now i assume not just due to his ability on the pitch currently, it must have included some other reasons such as longevity, past success, stature etc. As for your links on goal+assist ratio, that is only for this season am I right? In your previous post you shared the stats for goals he scored before he got his current contract. If you look at the goal + assist in the same time period you would see that the salary offered was not that crazy. Even most people in here agree that it was the right approach seeing that Ferguson was not going to stay.
 
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ManRant said:
If you are talking goal + assist ratio for minutes played, then here you go:

Premier League:

http://prntscr.com/d5wycb

European Leagues:

http://prntscr.com/d5wylk

La Liga for comparisson (0.64 ratio for the Premier league on average. 1.06 ratio for La Liga)

I hope that helps.



Indeed, I am in agreement, but how on earth does that help the team? He charges around like Roy of the rovers trying to help in every position possible and this can not only be detrimental to his health (burnout) it can also undermine his teammates competence in their own abilities in their position.

Furthermore, he is in no way a false 9, a right-winger or left-winger and he should just stay away, since he just doesn't have the abilities to do those posts. He should have stayed where we needed him most instead of trying to copy the likes of Iniesta, Xavi or Paul Scholes, because he is simply not good enough for those positions. Furthermore, I think he may be an hindrance to the team and not benefitial.

At the end of the day, you just cannot say that Rooney is more than just that and leave it there. At least come up with something that can substantiate your opinion.
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I said he is more than just a scorer and 'leave it there' because your post I quoted seems like to indicate that he don't deserved his salary because he don't score enough. Salary he enjoyed now i assume not just due to his ability on the pitch currently, it must have included some other reasons such as longevity, past success, stature etc. As for your links on goal+assist ratio, that is only for this season am I right? In your previous post you shared the stats for goals he scored before he got his current contract. If you look at the goal + assist in the same time period you would see that the salary offered was not that crazy. Even most people in here agree that it was the right approach seeing that Ferguson was not going to stay.
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Agreed, but I should have worded it differently. Yes, he is doing all positions known to mankind, but do we really benefit from it? Does England really benefit from it (apart from his assist last night, he did nothing of note)? As for the bolded bit, no, that is his record from the 2011/12 season (a year before we last won the league) . This was when we came second and he scored quite a large number of goals. His scoring from 2011/12 was 0.77 goals per game and then the next season (title winning season) he was at 0.44, with only Chicharito and Robin Van Persie scoring at a better rate. As for his contract, he got a new one in February 2014 at £300k per week (as verified by Forbes) and since then, he has been terrible.
 
woodhouseparkred said:
Agreed, but I should have worded it differently. Yes, he is doing all positions known to mankind, but do we really benefit from it? Does England really benefit from it (apart from his assist last night, he did nothing of note)? As for the bolded bit, no, that is his record from the 2011/12 season (a year before we last won the league) . This was when we came second and he scored quite a large number of goals. His scoring from 2011/12 was 0.77 goals per game and then the next season (title winning season) he was at 0.44, with only Chicharito and Robin Van Persie scoring at a better rate. As for his contract, he got a new one in February 2014 at £300k per week (as verified by Forbes) and since then, he has been terrible.
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I honestly can't figure out who is arguing what in this thread.
 
woodhouseparkred said:
According to Forbes (which is a credible source) he is on £300k per week. Anyway, even if he was on £200k per week, it has not been worth it for what he has provided.
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I agree completely. This is going to sound OTT but looking at his form for the past four years, I would think he is stealing a living even on 50k a week.
 
Oaencha said:
I agree completely. This is going to sound OTT but looking at his form for the past four years, I would think he is stealing a living even on 50k a week.
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Over the top exaggeration. Rooney has been pants this season and last (with a few good moments,) and mediocre the year before. He was very good in Moyes' year (despite all the revisionist attempts to paint it otherwise.) Worth 300 million? Not even close (but then who is outside of Messi and Ronaldo?)
 
jem said:
Over the top exaggeration. Rooney has been pants this season and last (with a few good moments,) and mediocre the year before. He was very good in Moyes' year (despite all the revisionist attempts to paint it otherwise.) Worth 300 million? Not even close (but then who is outside of Messi and Ronaldo?)
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The irony. He was good up to Xmas of that year, then descended to shite thereafter.
 
Even if you think he was 'very good' against the powerhouses of Norwich, Villa, Hull, WBA or West Ham, does not mean he had a good post xmas season for a player who even 3 seasons ago was widely regarded as 'world class.'
 
Given the huge discrepancy between wages and performances, Rooney must be up there with the most overrated players in history. He's been utter shit over the last 18 months and generally average in the 12 months before that but commands higher wages than Suarez and Neymar. Lunacy.
 
Treble said:
Given the huge discrepancy between wages and performances, Rooney must be up there with the most overrated players in history. He's been utter shit over the last 18 months and generally average in the 12 months before that but commands higher wages than Suarez and Neymar. Lunacy.
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And Herein lies the problem. We have made our own beds and now we have to lie in them. I wouldn't even be surprised to see the wages of a top-class Manchester United go beyong £300k in the next couple of years. Furthermore, there is no way back from that, the wages per week must continue to climb.
 
psychdelicblues said:
Even if you think he was 'very good' against the powerhouses of Norwich, Villa, Hull, WBA or West Ham, does not mean he had a good post xmas season for a player who even 3 seasons ago was widely regarded as 'world class.'
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Which is hardly the same thing as 'stealing a living even on 50K a week,' which is what I was responding to.
 
Treble said:
Given the huge discrepancy between wages and performances, Rooney must be up there with the most overrated players in history. He's been utter shit over the last 18 months and generally average in the 12 months before that but commands higher wages than Suarez and Neymar. Lunacy.
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As star players left and the quality of our team got worse, Rooney became the main man at United and that increased his worth to us through marketing. He's living off his reputation alone at this point, because if we were to pay him based on his ability as a footballer he'd be one of the lowest earners in the squad.
 
Adisa said:
He's had a remarkable career no doubt.
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I'm not sure what's more insane about the only man above him. The 19 year England career, versus Rooney's 13 so far,or that he racked up such an incredible haul of caps when for stages he was rotated with Clemence!
 
AndyJ1985 said:
As star players left and the quality of our team got worse, Rooney became the main man at United and that increased his worth to us through marketing. He's living off his reputation alone at this point, because if we were to pay him based on his ability as a footballer he'd be one of the lowest earners in the squad.
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Agree to a fair extent, but the expectation on him versus other performers is an unfair measure too.
He's not providing way less than a lot in the squad in my eyes, it's the fact we expect way more due to his wage, status and history.
 
Mrs Smoker said:
You went comparing his pay with Barcelona frauds? Hehe.

Also, he's not on 300k.
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He is. His agent gave a big interview about it. We own his image rights and pay a flat fee for them plus pay him for the performance of his image rights which are managed by our PR team.

He was on £250k base wage before he signed that deal in 13'.
 
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