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Keep him out left and rotate him with Martial.

This would be nice to see...

-------------------DDG-----------------
Val---------Jones------Bailly-------Blind
-------Carrick-------------Herrera-------
-------------------Pogba------------------
Mata------------Rashford---------Rooney
 
Keep him out left and rotate him with Martial.

This would be nice to see...

-------------------DDG-----------------
Val---------Jones------Bailly-------Blind
-------Carrick-------------Herrera-------
-------------------Pogba------------------
Mata------------Rashford---------Rooney
Oh now he's a winger is he?
 
Didn't watch the game but saw the highlights show and every chance/goal they showed had Rooney involved. Came close to scoring with the shot from the edge of the box, played a part in the Pogba goal (not much but yes), the two assists to Ibra, the goal that was onside and the good run and cutback to Mata. That's more involvement in goals and chances than Martial and Rashford have shown recently so with Ibra suspended, he deserves to play vs Arsenal. 3 performances now where he's been one of our better players in attack.
 
Didn't watch the game but saw the highlights show and every chance/goal they showed had Rooney involved. Came close to scoring with the shot from the edge of the box, played a part in the Pogba goal (not much but yes), the two assists to Ibra, the goal that was onside and the good run and cutback to Mata. That's more involvement in goals and chances than Martial and Rashford have shown recently so with Ibra suspended, he deserves to play vs Arsenal. 3 performances now where he's been one of our better players in attack.

Well Martial should have had a brilliant assist midweek, a bit of skill that bettered anything Rooney did against Swansea. We know what happened there though.

"Assists"
 
I can't believe we are back with this has-been getting starts, we'll never move forward, Swansea were awful and he was ok, lets not get caught up in the trap of him being a main player again, he still gave the ball away 5 or 6 times yesterday from easy positions and Swansea weren't even pressing, Arsenal wont be so forgiving. It's amazing how with Rooney he gets months of being shite to "play into form" but Martial hasn't been afforded the same.
 
Well Martial should have had a brilliant assist midweek, a bit of skill that bettered anything Rooney did against Swansea. We know what happened there though.

"Assists"

Let it go. He had a good game and will now almost certainly start against Arsenal regardless of how many words you put in speech marks.
 
I can't believe we are back with this has-been getting starts, we'll never move forward, Swansea were awful and he was ok, lets not get caught up in the trap of him being a main player again, he still gave the ball away 5 or 6 times yesterday from easy positions and Swansea weren't even pressing, Arsenal wont be so forgiving. It's amazing how with Rooney he gets months of being shite to "play into form" but Martial hasn't been afforded the same.

That was Rooney's first league start after weeks on the bench.

Who's started more games under Mourinho overall?
 
That was Rooney's first league start after weeks on the bench.

Who's started more games under Mourinho overall?

I'm talking about the last 2 seasons, especially last season where Rooney was garbage but was dropped a grand total of once. Martial needs a chance to play his way into form, he has way more to offer than Rooney but we'll stifle him if we leave him on the bench because he's had a rough start, he was better than Rooney against Fenerbahce and created our best chance that Rooney squandered with his terrible first touch, but scoring one long range shot has seen him leapfrog our most gifted young attacker.

I don't know who has had the most starts, Rooney has 15 appearences in total, Martial has 12.
 
I'm talking about the last 2 seasons, especially last season where Rooney was garbage but was dropped a grand total of once. Martial needs a chance to play his way into form, he has way more to offer than Rooney but we'll stifle him if we leave him on the bench because he's had a rough start, he was better than Rooney against Fenerbahce and created our best chance that Rooney squandered with his terrible first touch, but scoring one long range shot has seen him leapfrog our most gifted young attacker.

I don't know who has had the most starts, Rooney has 15 appearences in total, Martial has 12.

Mourinho can only pick a team based on what he's seeing. Rooney started the season poorly, got dropped, had to wait a while to get his game and did ok when he got back in the team. Martial also started the season poorly and has, if anything, been given more time than Rooney to hit some form. It's certainly taken longer to see him benched. Hopefully he'll respond as well as Rooney did.
 
Mourinho can only pick a team based on what he's seeing. Rooney started the season poorly, got dropped, had to wait a while to get his game and did ok when he got back in the team. Martial also started the season poorly and has, if anything, been given more time than Rooney to hit some form. It's certainly taken longer to see him benched. Hopefully he'll respond as well as Rooney did.

Martial is a young player who scored against Stoke and created our best chance against Fenerbahce, I honestly don't see how Rooney got in ahead of him, it just seems to me that Jose has resorted to old man tactics of sticking all the experienced heads in and marginalizing our exciting young players, he even shoved Mata out wide right in place of Lingard yesterday, and he got away with it because Swansea were horrendous, but long term I don't see the positives of doing this to our young talents who will be expected to carry the club beyond this season, esepcially for a player who has drained his goodwill dry for 3 years and been pretty awful for 2 of those years on a consistent basis.
 
Martial is a young player who scored against Stoke and created our best chance against Fenerbahce, I honestly don't see how Rooney got in ahead of him, it just seems to me that Jose has resorted to old man tactics of sticking all the experienced heads in and marginalizing our exciting young players, he even shoved Mata out wide right in place of Lingard yesterday, and he got away with it because Swansea were horrendous, but long term I don't see the positives of doing this to our young talents who will be expected to carry the club beyond this season, esepcially for a player who has drained his goodwill dry for 3 years and been pretty awful for 2 of those years on a consistent basis.

You can talk up that one decent pass in the Europa League all you want but the team has to be picked on merit. Rooney was dropped after playing poorly. The goal he created against Hull didn't stop that happening and rightly so. The same thing has happened to Martial (and Rashford). Absolutely nothing wrong with that and Rooney put in a bettee 90 minutes against Swansea than Martial's managed all season. And it's not like this was the first time we've played a poor team.
 
Martial is a young player who scored against Stoke and created our best chance against Fenerbahce, I honestly don't see how Rooney got in ahead of him, it just seems to me that Jose has resorted to old man tactics of sticking all the experienced heads in and marginalizing our exciting young players, he even shoved Mata out wide right in place of Lingard yesterday, and he got away with it because Swansea were horrendous, but long term I don't see the positives of doing this to our young talents who will be expected to carry the club beyond this season, esepcially for a player who has drained his goodwill dry for 3 years and been pretty awful for 2 of those years on a consistent basis.
If Lingard is our young talent I'm very glad the experienced heads are playing over him.
 
I can't believe we are back with this has-been getting starts, we'll never move forward, Swansea were awful and he was ok, lets not get caught up in the trap of him being a main player again, he still gave the ball away 5 or 6 times yesterday from easy positions and Swansea weren't even pressing, Arsenal wont be so forgiving. It's amazing how with Rooney he gets months of being shite to "play into form" but Martial hasn't been afforded the same.
He's nowhere close to being a main player. He's not started a league game in ages before this weekend and he's clearly not considered anywhere as important as the likes of Zlatan (who can go weeks without performing and not be benched) or Pogba.
 
@GifLord could you find the clip where Rooney took a great first touch in the second half against Swansea, please. It was around the 60th min.

Has it come to this? :lol:


Could someone find a video of the touch Ozil (paid half Rooney's wage) had in minute 1, 3, 4, 4, 7, 9..... 87 and 90?
 
It's bizarre how on a United forum it's wrong to ask for a GIF of a fantastic Rooney touch but there are various posters analysing even half a poor touch and criticising the exact force with which we hits a pass to Zlatan and asking for videos and gifs to prove our captain is awful.
 
You can talk up that one decent pass in the Europa League all you want but the team has to be picked on merit. Rooney was dropped after playing poorly. The goal he created against Hull didn't stop that happening and rightly so. The same thing has happened to Martial (and Rashford). Absolutely nothing wrong with that and Rooney put in a bettee 90 minutes against Swansea than Martial's managed all season. And it's not like this was the first time we've played a poor team.

If the team was picked on merit Rooney would barely have played in the last 2 and half seasons, that argument holds no water. He was awful against Fenerbahce bar his goal and got picked ahead of Martial, that is the wrong call, beating the worst side in the league (yes even worse than Sunderland, at least they work) was fortunate for Jose and has allowed Rooney to get back in ahead of the players we actually need to make the center of our team, not sticking with them and going back to a player who should be offloaded at the first chance is backward's logic, it's not thinking long term.

If Lingard is our young talent I'm very glad the experienced heads are playing over him.

Nice.
 
If the team was picked on merit Rooney would barely have played in the last 2 and half seasons, that argument holds no water. He was awful against Fenerbahce bar his goal and got picked ahead of Martial, that is the wrong call, beating the worst side in the league (yes even worse than Sunderland, at least they work) was fortunate for Jose and has allowed Rooney to get back in ahead of the players we actually need to make the center of our team, not sticking with them and going back to a player who should be offloaded at the first chance is backward's logic, it's not thinking long term.



Nice.

I'll tell you what holds no water, bringing uo team selection over the last two seasons as a reason to criticise Mourinho's team selection right now. Moyes and Van Gaal have sweet feck all to do with Mourinho's thinking because - unlike them - he has been picking (and dropping) Rooney on merit. Ditto Martial and Rashford. Play crap, get dropped. Play well, stay in the team. All seems perfectly fair to me.

The only two exceptions to this rule are - arguably - Pogba and Ibra but they're unique players who probably need special treatment, for a number of obvious reasons.
 
I'll tell you what holds no water, bringing uo team selection over the last two seasons as a reason to criticise Mourinho's team selection right now. Moyes and Van Gaal have sweet feck all to do with Mourinho's thinking because - unlike them - he has been picking (and dropping) Rooney on merit. Ditto Martial and Rashford. Play crap, get dropped. Play well, stay in the team. All seems perfectly fair to me.

The only two exceptions to this rule are - arguably - Pogba and Ibra but they're unique players who probably need special treatment, for a number of obvious reasons.

Oh come on, we have mollycoddled Rooney since Fergie left and it's still going on, the moment there was a chance to put him back in the exciting young players are ditched, Rooney was no better than Martial against Fenerbahce and was utterly shit in the other games he came on, yet one goal somehow merits him getting a start, it's horsehit management of our brightest young forward who should be treat the same as Pogba and allowed to play into form, not ditched for a player who is finished.

On top of that, no matter what, Rooney got to waddle on and stink the game up in every match where he was sub, we were 3 up at half time against a shite side there for the takiung and he didn't bring the 2 young players on to let them have a piece of the easy pie being served up, that could have boosted their confidence.
 
People are always angry and confused in this thread. Deary me.....

It's amazing. The level of hatred for a player who actually plays for the team they support. Genuine upset over a Manchester United player having a decent game. That sort of attitude is common and easily the most mental thing I've ever seen on here. And I've seen a lot of mental stuff.
 
Sick of him even when he has a decent game and contributes to 'Manchester United'. Whatever, mate.

Papering ovcer the cracks helps nothing long term, we need to move this team on, we've been stuck in Wayne's world for 3 years and he's getting worse. Plus most of his fanboys say he's fine even when he's garbage so there's no high road there.
 
Papering ovcer the cracks helps nothing long term, we need to move this team on, we've been stuck in Wayne's world for 3 years and he's getting worse. Plus most of his fanboys say he's fine even when he's garbage so there's no high road there.

Loads and loads of examples of players who are miles past their past making important contributions at United over the years. Would it really eat you up if Rooney did the same? I suspect it would, Which is kind of sad.
 
It's amazing. The level of hatred for a player who actually plays for the team they support. Genuine upset over a Manchester United player having a decent game. That sort of attitude is common and easily the most mental thing I've ever seen on here. And I've seen a lot of mental stuff.

Hatred is so dramamticlly over the top, why is it so hard to accept that many fans just think he's a detriment to the team by still being given constant game time, and that these odd moments where he's not shite dig him in deeper, when we should be building the next team around players who are actually good and have the time in front of them to become better and carry the club back to the top, instead of the middling shit we've been while acnhoring the entire side on Rooney's back depsite him being finished. I often feel those that think the peromances like the Swansea one were good don't actually watch football outside of our games. The performance should have been like what we would get from sticking on a squad player back in the day to rest Ruud, it didn't mean Ruud didn't come back in for the next game agaisnt proper opposition just because the squad guy got an assist.
 
Loads and loads of examples of players who are miles past their past making important contributions at United over the years. Would it really eat you up if Rooney did the same? I suspect it would, Which is kind of sad.

Like Scholes who we'd bring on at the end of games to see them out with his control? That's different to a forward whose legs have gone and who has poor technical control. We need to be rid of him in order to start moving forwards, him having a moment here and there wont achieve that, it just mires us in the past, you seem to feel it's personal, it might be for you, for me it's simply about wanting to see United move on beyond a guy who is not good enough for any role at the club and who is being paid like he's Messi, which is moronic.
We've carried old players before, we are carrying Carrick now and paying him accordingly and using him accordingly, it's not the same with Rooney, not even close. We could get a player in for his wages that could contribute ten times as much as he does and not just in rare moments here and there.
 
Drama in this thread over a game you can't judge any of our players ability on...

A good performance against a truly shocking side. One of the worst we've played. Any side where Rooney is beating their fullback for pace is going to be crap.

That first touch though was terrific. It was like all the bad touches before it were stored up to unleash it. Should of had a goal, he was onside also.
 
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Contributed to all three goals, can't ask for more than that. At least if he plays out wide he gets more time to play the ball before being closed down and can't hit that floaty pass out to the right
 
Good to see him back in the team. Wonder if he generated enough credit with that performance to remain in the team. Would be blocking Martial's path which would hilarious.
 
Hatred is so dramamticlly over the top, why is it so hard to accept that many fans just think he's a detriment to the team by still being given constant game time, and that these odd moments where he's not shite dig him in deeper, when we should be building the next team around players who are actually good and have the time in front of them to become better and carry the club back to the top, instead of the middling shit we've been while acnhoring the entire side on Rooney's back depsite him being finished. I often feel those that think the peromances like the Swansea one were good don't actually watch football outside of our games. The performance should have been like what we would get from sticking on a squad player back in the day to rest Ruud, it didn't mean Ruud didn't come back in for the next game agaisnt proper opposition just because the squad guy got an assist.

He's not started any league game since Watford. Even if by accident, when he's been coming on he's helped "assist" goals and in his last 2-3 starts he's been decent and has 3-4 assists and a goal. He's not gotten any sort of constant game time and got deservedly dropped and his replacements haven't been doing great themselves. When the likes of Rashford and Martial start to produce again, Wayne will find himself on the bench again and he's been happy with that role.
 
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