All these posts imply that that was your point:
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All these posts imply that that was your point:
Exactly and Hazard had youth on his side to recover form. Wayne doesn't have that anymore.
Not if the other players have the right mentality. Zlatan for instance who is the ultimate pro, might wince at a bad cross but hes ready to go a second later.
Rooney being dropped won't improve any other players level of performance all of a sudden. He will be dropped soon I think and we will still be in here moaning because there are a lot of other players off form, its not like the play is coming through him and he is messing it up every time. No matter who it goes through it breaks down currently.
Indeed and i'm not arguing against it! I'm saying drop him! I might change my location just to make sure its obvious to everyone what i'm saying because half of what i'm getting alerts for is people arguing against me with something I already agree with.
Haha no arguments, just wanted to point that out
because I do not believe he is a good captain. Don't care if other managers or players have said he is.As a team we bottle situations especially when we concede or something goes against us.
He was so bad today it was almost as if we were playing with 10 men and Watford had 11 and a half.
I don't mean one player affects another mentally. I'm talking about Rooney's decision making influencing who gets more of the ball.
Using Zlatan as the example, what does he get from Rooney? Even as a fan of Rooney you have to admit he doesn't like passing forwards, he much prefers the ball out wide.
Then think about the left winger. Seriously I'd be surprised if Rooney passes the ball to him more than three times a game.
Rooney only played 6 balls forward today or something? I don't think he had much of a bearing on which of our forwards got the ball. Rooney isn't enough of a playmaker to dictate our plays positively or negatively to too much of an extent. Whichever player finds space gets the ball. Valencia is excellent at finding space in the RB position, Martial on the left really isn't good enough off the ball yet, he is never fully open, just doesn't understand space so with Rooneys long balls not being great he just plays it to the most open player. Pogba for instance is regarded well for his passing but he couldn't get anything decent off today, not just because he was playing poorly but because our forwards don't understand off the ball movement aside from Zlatan who doesn't have the pace to make the most out of it.
Having said that Zlatan played two or three knock downs to the ten position, if prime lampard played for us we could have had some goals off that move.
The problem with a lot of the defences I've seen of Rooney is that they invariably end up diverting onto topics that conveniently switch away from how Rooney himself is playing. So today, for example, when someone points out how poor he was, the standard response from anyone defending him is to tell us how poor the team was, and how poor other players were. It's rather convenient because it allows a diversion away from Rooney himself.
Can anyone realistically defend the basic deficiencies that have developed within his game, though? Can anyone defend his frustrating need to constantly play passes that either go backwards, or are played sideways to an extent that he makes Tom Cleverley look like the most incisive player we've had? Can anyone defend how slow and lethargic he is? Can anyone defend the terrible touches he takes in important positions? Can anyone tell me the last time Rooney put in a great overall performance? Not just where he scored a goal, or made a passable impression of being a footballer, but a genuinely, top class performance in which he looked like a top footballer who could lead a side with title winning ambitions?
Can anyone realistically defend the basic deficiencies that have developed within his game, though? Can anyone defend his frustrating need to constantly play passes that either go backwards, or are played sideways to an extent that he makes Tom Cleverley look like the most incisive player we've had? Can anyone defend how slow and lethargic he is? Can anyone defend the terrible touches he takes in important positions? Can anyone tell me the last time Rooney put in a great overall performance? Not just where he scored a goal, or made a passable impression of being a footballer, but a genuinely, top class performance in which he looked like a top footballer who could lead a side with title winning ambitions?
He is totally unable to receive the ball and turn with it unless in miles of space. It's like playing a drunk Jordan Henderson in the number 10 role.
I swear I heard this complaint last season too. And still the club carries on with him - mind boggling stuff.
Well exactly he only played six balls forward. So how can you say that doesn't affect Ibra? He'll naturally be starved of service.
I think you know he much prefers passing right than left, it's nothing to do with Valencia finding space. If your No.10 doesn't like passing left then of course that side of the pitch will suffer.
This is the nature of any team sport.
At least you are reasonable enough to admit that.
I just wish that he breaks the record this season and leaves.Thanks for the memories but it's turning into a nightmare now.
Yes.He's not the only problem.But due to his stature here,it's the most glaring one that we simply refuse to fix.we have tried to solve the rest by firing managers and spending billions.he is the only constant.
The pass to Valencia is definitely his favourite but i think a big part of that is Valencia is always open and on the overlap.
Martial still gets enough of the ball when he wants, look at season, he saw a huge amount of the ball, most of our attacks went through him, this season he seems less interested in doing that, Rooney can't stop the play coming from Martial. Unfortunately Martial isn't playing well, it isn't to do with Rooney preferring the right, just when martial gets the ball he loses it or he hides from it.
What Martial does with the ball is on him yes but if the number 10 barely passes it to him, instead preferring to pass to the right back,you must admit that affects his performance. Be it Martial, Depay or Rashford.
That would be fair if everything went through Rooney and it really doesn't. Fellaini is about as much of a playermaker from deep. Martial sees as much as the ball he wants to. Your argument makes complete sense but Rooney doesn't have enough of the ball for it to matter, he isn't pirlo, it would be like criticising de gea for preferring to kick to the left side (which he does), it might be true, but it doesn't affect the game too much overall.
If he is not mixing it up, then if Valencia is having one of his hitting the defender ankles game then that is the attacks gone. We need to be spraying the ball to both side. Mark Valencia well and Rooney has no use whatsoever.
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The sooner Rooney gets the last few goals he needs to top the all time scoring charts the better.
Then he can be given the senior players treatment and sit on the bench with Carrick.
Then he can be given the senior players treatment and sit on the bench with Carrick.
He's the No.10!
The number ten isn't a playmaking position, the playmaking comes from the centre mids, he played there today but he doesn't control the match well enough for his contribution to matter much at all.
https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1...er-League-2016-2017-Watford-Manchester-United
Rooney was bad, but so was the rest of the team. Rooney had two key passes, Fellaini had two key passes, nobody else had two key passes. Valencia and Shaw was the only players who got rating above 7. The lowest rating actually belongs to De Gea.
Rooney was bad, but so was the rest of the team. Rooney had two key passes, Fellaini had two key passes, nobody else had two key passes. Valencia and Shaw was the only players who got rating above 7. The lowest rating actually belongs to De Gea.
The 2 key passes were corners
And now for the Man Utd ratings for all games so far:
https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/32
1 Marouane Fellaini - 7.51
2 Paul Pogba - 7.48
3 Daley Blind - 7.47
4 Zlatan Ibrahimovic - 7.38
5 Antonio Valencia - 7.31
6 Wayne Rooney - 7.12
https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/32
1 Marouane Fellaini - 7.51
2 Paul Pogba - 7.48
3 Daley Blind - 7.47
4 Zlatan Ibrahimovic - 7.38
5 Antonio Valencia - 7.31
6 Wayne Rooney - 7.12
The rest of the team had nothing. Do you realize that? Rooney is not going to be dropped, not only because he is the captain, but because there are many other players who are performing worse.
Perhaps it the creative hub of the team was functioning properly the team would be better able to work the ball in dangerous areas.
But I can't be arsed to argue with you.
You cannot blame Rooney that the other players had low ranking. That's silly. What's the point of having a ranking system when it is the fault of one player that the ranking of any other player is low? The lowest ranked player was De Gea. Was it Rooney's fault, too?
Rooneys most alarming problem, I think, is his awareness. The amount of times in the last 18 months that I've seen him receive the ball and then just get pick pocketed by a defender is unreal and it's not like these defenders are making crunching tackles. It's just defending made easy by Rooneys inability to shield the ball and move it quickly on.
The ironic thing is that as a younger player he had a superb first touch and could shrug off markers and bring his team mates into play from all angles. If we played him as main attacker (not that he'd oust Zlatan) then I don't think this is as relevant but playing him where we are the one thing he does need to do is protect that ball and be cute with it but he does neither and a lot of opposition breaks come from him conceding possession all to easily.
As others have said 'thanks for the memories' but this is become a sad downfall watching him like this. He might only be 30 odd but in football terms he's nearer 34,35 because of the early exposure he had and his natural physique does not lend itself to a career well into his 30's.
The ironic thing is that as a younger player he had a superb first touch and could shrug off markers and bring his team mates into play from all angles. If we played him as main attacker (not that he'd oust Zlatan) then I don't think this is as relevant but playing him where we are the one thing he does need to do is protect that ball and be cute with it but he does neither and a lot of opposition breaks come from him conceding possession all to easily.
As others have said 'thanks for the memories' but this is become a sad downfall watching him like this. He might only be 30 odd but in football terms he's nearer 34,35 because of the early exposure he had and his natural physique does not lend itself to a career well into his 30's.
And why do they attempt to do this?
I would boldly postulate that it is to try to get the best out of the team/players in any given situation.
Failure to do so would leave the captain somewhat accountable no?
No because they can set a perfect example and the other players still play shite. If a player does raise the levels of those around him its a bonus but its the exception rather than the rule.
Whoscored can be largely irrelevant. Many treat these websites like sport bibles or something.
Not true today, he was the worst
It is your opinion that whoscored is irrelevant. But is your opinion relevant?
You cannot blame Rooney that the other players had low ranking. That's silly. What's the point of having a ranking system when it is the fault of one player that the ranking of any other player is low? The lowest ranked player was De Gea. Was it Rooney's fault, too?
Nice strawman but I don't blame Rooney for anything other than being terrible. But any half decent attacking midfielder would be capable of giving the forwards the ball in dangerous areas. His job is to create and he can't do it. So if our forwards aren't getting the service, they won't be able to score goals.
Heck, even if you justify his place in the team as motivating his teammates, he must be bad at that by your definition as their rankings are so poor.
But if you justify his place in the team by counting key passes from corners, then Charlie Adam can do that alot cheaper.
The reason Valencia is always open is because clubs are willing to let United funnel their attacks through him. They allow him space and basically never provide the fullback with help because they know that it's a matchup that usually favors the defender. With the way clubs play United, they might as well put a huge neon sign saying "PLEASE PASS HERE" on the right flank.
Tony has been better this season, some teams will get caught out if they keep doing that.
What?
I can't be arsed to argue with you.
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