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criticalanalysis said:
What does that even mean?

You say the issue is deeper. We've done everything to address those issues except drop Rooney.

What are the issues and how do they weigh when you factor in the context that I've tried to provide?
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It means the fans think rooney is the big issue but he isn't, we will drop him and not a whole lot will change.

We haven't done everything have we though, we have attempted to it in no way suggests they were a success.

The issues? there is a myriad of them honestly, I could name two or three just by naming individual players but it wouldn't really mean much.

Its obvious that some on here think dropping Rooney will be the eureka moment. It won't.
 
He is not going to get dropped. I've lost all hope. There is nothing I want more than Rooney to start playing well but it's just not happening.
 
Amadaeus said:
I feel the criticism is starting to get to him mentally. Even though he has been poor for awhile, you can't help but feel there is something not right with him when he can not do some of the basic thing.
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It has to be getting to him.

Anyone who's played football would know the feeling of fecking something up on the field, thinking about what your team mates think of you. I would be embarrassed to face my team mates if I did half of the things Rooney did today, and I'm not the captain who is paid 300k per week and the lads I play with are not professionals nor is the team I'm playing with one of the biggest club in the world.

Or maybe he just doesn't care. Afterall, he has said that he has "nothing to prove to anyone."
 
LouisDanGaal said:
It means the fans think rooney is the big issue but he isn't, we will drop him and not a whole lot will change.

We haven't done everything have we though, we have attempted to it in no way suggests they were a success.

The issues? there is a myriad of them honestly, I could name two or three just by naming individual players but it wouldn't really mean much.

Its obvious that some on here think dropping Rooney will be the eureka moment. It won't.
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Keep the same team today but have mhki or lingard on the right wing and rashford as the 9, Ibra roaming.

I guarantee we will be 100x better.
 
NinjaZombie said:
It has to be getting to him.

Anyone who's played football would know the feeling of fecking something up on the field, thinking about what your team mates think of you. I would be embarrassed to face my team mates if I did half of the things Rooney did today, and I'm not the captain who is paid 300k per week and the lads I play with are not professionals nor is the team I'm playing with one of the biggest club in the world.

Or maybe he just doesn't care. Afterall, he has said that he has "nothing to prove to anyone."
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He's a nacissist. Surrounded by yes men who tell him he's wonderful. He genuinely thinks he's playing well and you could see the shock on his face when the journalist questioned him. He knows he's living on reputation and until he's called out on it things won't change.
 
LouisDanGaal said:
It means the fans think rooney is the big issue but he isn't, we will drop him and not a whole lot will change.

We haven't done everything have we though, we have attempted to it in no way suggests they were a success.

The issues? there is a myriad of them honestly, I could name two or three just by naming individual players but it wouldn't really mean much.

Its obvious that some on here think dropping Rooney will be the eureka moment. It won't.
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The fans that watch every single minute of Utd and have as much ability to assess the situation (from the outside) as much as the numerous articles that comment about Rooney being our weak link, especially the ones that come very very recently?

What things haven't we tried to amend that you can't link back to Rooney though?

I'd agree we're not gonna turn Barca overnight but his place in the team is an absolutely massive reason and cause to why we're playing so bad.

Name one no.10 (for a top team) that plays poorly/with his ability yet the other players in the team play well despite of this?
You simply can't.

That's why despite the deserved criticism of players like Pogba, Ibra, Martial, Rashford, Fellani, Mata and even Herrera, you have to factor in Rooney's position affects them massively as well.
 
Adam-Utd said:
He's a nacissist. Surrounded by yes men who tell him he's wonderful. He genuinely thinks he's playing well and you could see the shock on his face when the journalist questioned him. He knows he's living on reputation and until he's called out on it things won't change.
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What did the journalist ask him, and what did he say?
 
The thing about that video on the previous page is that you wouldn't see that from a player in the Championship. Not to such regularity. It's pub football, almost.
 
Kag said:
The thing about that video on the previous page is that you wouldn't see that from a player in the Championship. Not to such regularity. It's pub football, almost.
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There's folks playing Sunday League with better (or at least more consistent) shooting/passing technique than Rooney.
 
Adam-Utd said:
He's a nacissist. Surrounded by yes men who tell him he's wonderful. He genuinely thinks he's playing well and you could see the shock on his face when the journalist questioned him. He knows he's living on reputation and until he's called out on it things won't change.
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He thinks he is playing well but also knows he is living on reputation?
 
criticalanalysis said:
The fans that watch every single minute of Utd and have as much ability to assess the situation (from the outside) as much as the numerous articles that comment about Rooney being our weak link, especially the ones that come very very recently?

What things haven't we tried to amend that you can't link back to Rooney though?

I'd agree we're not gonna turn Barca overnight but his place in the team is an absolutely massive reason and cause to why we're playing so bad.

Name one no.10 (for a top team) that plays poorly/with his ability yet the other players in the team play well despite of this?
You simply can't.

That's why despite the deserved criticism of players like Pogba, Ibra, Martial, Rashford, Fellani, Mata and even Herrera, you have to factor in Rooney's position affects them massively as well.
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Why would I need to name number ten i'm agreeing to drop him? we both agree he should be dropped. We can try the Rooney drop and we will but we aren't going to improve much at all, we don't have a world class number 10 knocking at the door on the bench.

Then you have to accept They affect Rooney just as much. Pogba being abysmal has as much an effect on rooney as the other way around. Martial not wanting it any more is obviously going to hurt a playmarker.

There aren't many players playing well. Rooney is one of those playing badly, drop him, but it has absolutely nothing to do with how badly the others are playing.

I don't mean to say it doesn't affect the team which it does. But Rooney being dropped won't improve their form.
 


Skip to 2:20. That is the reason he needs to be dropped. He thinks he has nothing to prove? Really Wayne? Youre not Messi. Youre a striker who struggles to score 20 in the league. You have EVERYTHING to prove. A 30 year old striker who has only scored 20+ in the league TWICE (same as Harry Kane who is 23).

Im not saying he hasnt been a decent player for us, but that is just the wrong mentality to have when you play for Manchester United. You need to be out there proving yourself every time. Showing that your place on the team is based on merit not politics.

Edit: :lol: @GifLord beat me to it! great minds and all that
 
I wish i could just forward time for him and make him 41. He may finally stop playing. He surely has it in his contract that he plays an x number of games unless he is injured or suspended, i cant seem to think managers are so fecking Blind that they cant see how bad he is.
If you see his last 4 years,he is a championship level player at best. He needs to be sold.
 
LouisDanGaal said:
Then you have to accept They affect Rooney just as much. Pogba being abysmal has as much an effect on rooney as the other way around. Martial not wanting it any more is obviously going to hurt a playmarker.

There aren't many players playing well. Rooney is one of those playing badly, drop him, but it has absolutely nothing to do with how badly the others are playing.

I don't mean to say it doesn't affect the team which it does. But Rooney being dropped won't improve their form.
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Well then we need to agree to disagree then even if I think you're wrong.

Every attacking player that has come into the club was sensational for their previous ones and once they start playing with Rooney and being accomendated around them, they've turned to sh|t.

The manager/s needs to take blame but hey we've had 3 of them and same issue arises.

Rooney being dropped for good/sustained time is the only shot we have at trying to solvr these deeper issues...which you don't think Rooney is intrinsically linked to.

If that's considered a gamble, it's the best odds we have compared to any other solution at this time of moment (that has been going on for 3 years).
 
NinjaZombie said:
It has to be getting to him.

Anyone who's played football would know the feeling of fecking something up on the field, thinking about what your team mates think of you. I would be embarrassed to face my team mates if I did half of the things Rooney did today, and I'm not the captain who is paid 300k per week and the lads I play with are not professionals nor is the team I'm playing with one of the biggest club in the world.

Or maybe he just doesn't care. Afterall, he has said that he has "nothing to prove to anyone."
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Someone mentioned in the matchday thread that Zlatan and Pogba were visually becoming frustrated and in disbelief. Don't know if true or not, but they certainly aint used to this
 
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/full-horror-wayne-rooneys-performance-8863925 (Don't know where no10 is)

1. He took nine corners/free-kicks - but only created a chance for United with TWO of them.
2. He didn't create a single chance from open play.
3. He didn't play a single through ball.
4. He didn't 'take on' an opponent, so never actually went past a Watford player.
5. He didn't have a shot on target.
6. In fact, he only managed one shot OFF target.
"But wait!", we hear the Wazza fans cry. "He wasn't playing as a striker! You can't judge him purely on his attacking stats!"
Fair enough. Let's look at what he did defensively…
7. He didn't make a single tackle. Not one!
8. He went up for three 'aerial duels' - and lost two of them.
9. In fact, his entire defensive contribution amounted to one interception, one block… and committing one foul.
We can still hear the voices of the Rooney fan club pleading their man's case. "But he passed the ball around, right? He was still spreading the play, right?"
Well, let's look at his passing stats.
11. He played 40 passes, completing 33 of them.
Which doesn't sound TOO bad, until you find out that…
12. 27 of the 33 successful passes he played either went sideways (12) or backwards (15).Reut
13. Which meant he only successfully passed the ball FORWARDS on six occasions. In 90 minutes. That is once every quarter of an hour.
 
criticalanalysis said:
Well then we need to agree to disagree then even if I think you're wrong.

Every attacking player that has come into the club was sensational for their previous ones and once they start playing with Rooney and being accomendated around them, they've turned to sh|t.

The manager/s needs to take blame but hey we've had 3 of them and same issue arises.

Rooney being dropped for good/sustained time is the only shot we have at trying to these deeper issues...which you don't think Rooney is intrinsically linked to.

If that's considered a gamble, it's the best odds we have comapred to any other solution at this time of moment (that has been going on for 3 years).
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Rooney was also sensational for us when things were good. Nobody is being accommodated, everybody is playing in their preferred positions, its not like zlatan is at left back and pogba is at right back, they are playing exactly where they played for their previous clubs.

The issue is more than Rooney. He is a part of the problem but he isn't the problem.

Rooney is not accountable for what any other player does and I maintain that, he should be dropped but that is because he is playing crap not because It will in improve our other players.

I agree, lets roll the dice, but this place is going to get dark when people realise maybe there was more to it than rooney and they have to start looking for other excuses.
 
LouisDanGaal said:
Why would I need to name number ten i'm agreeing to drop him? we both agree he should be dropped. We can try the Rooney drop and we will but we aren't going to improve much at all, we don't have a world class number 10 knocking at the door on the bench.

Then you have to accept They affect Rooney just as much. Pogba being abysmal has as much an effect on rooney as the other way around. Martial not wanting it any more is obviously going to hurt a playmarker.

There aren't many players playing well. Rooney is one of those playing badly, drop him, but it has absolutely nothing to do with how badly the others are playing.

I don't mean to say it doesn't affect the team which it does. But Rooney being dropped won't improve their form.
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Pogba is nowhere near as bad as Rooney. I don't care how you try and twist it to defend rooney it's just plain untrue. I can't believe you will defend somebody so far? Is he your cousin or something?
 
clarkydaz said:
Someone mentioned in the matchday thread that Zlatan and Pogba were visually becoming frustrated and in disbelief. Don't know if true or not, but they certainly aint used to this
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Yeah, the others might cut Rooney some slack because they're long time team mates, or because they're overawed by his reputation, but Zlatan and Pogba have just arrived and must be used to having professional footballers actually playing like professional footballers.
 
clarkydaz said:
Someone mentioned in the matchday thread that Zlatan and Pogba were visually becoming frustrated and in disbelief. Don't know if true or not, but they certainly aint used to this
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Then I hope they open their mouths in dressing room. Too many passive players in there.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Pogba is nowhere near as bad as Rooney. I don't care how you try and twist it to defend rooney it's just plain untrue. I can't believe you will defend somebody so far? Is he your cousin or something?
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Do you know what defending someone is? because in no way have i done that, this is genuinely getting frustrating how i keep being given random positions to suit the other persons argument.

Pogba was just as bad as Rooney today not that it matters, Pogba is young, new in the team and league so deserves the benefit of the doubt. If he actually had just come through the academy this season he would be getting exactly the comments Lingard always gets, not united level blah blah aside from that Southampton game.
 
He's beyond poor and should be poor out to pasture, we're going nowhere until he's gone!
 
LouisDanGaal said:
Rooney is not accountable for what any other player does and I maintain that
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I kind of understand your point and looking at today's game it may be accurate in that most players were playing their preferred/natural positions (not true of every game this season though).
Wayne however is captain, with that comes the added kudos and responsibility of being a leader of the the team. He is made more accountable by this and in reality should be held to the highest standards as he is the one that should be helping set them. If others aren't reaching the required levels he is the on-field presence that is supposed to help address such issues. If the team fails as a whole Wayne must generally accept a greater degree of responsibility for that fact.
 
facund said:
I kind of understand your point and looking at today's game it may be accurate in that most players were playing their preferred/natural positions (not true of every game this season though).
Wayne however is captain, with that comes the added kudos and responsibility of being a leader of the the team. He is made more accountable by this and in reality should be held to the highest standards as he is the one that should be helping set them. If others aren't reaching the required levels he is the on-field presence that is supposed to help address such issues. If the team fails as a whole Wayne must generally accept a greater degree of responsibility for that fact.
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No that's nonsense, nobody is blaming hazards poor form last season on john terry's lack of leadership. A player takes responsibility for his own performances if he doesn't he hasn't got the mentality to play in the top flight let alone at a team with title aspirations.
 
When was the last time he threaded a through ball for a striker to score? You know, like what De Bruyne does every single game.

I think he has honestly never done it ever since Fergie retired.
 
LouisDanGaal said:
No that's nonsense, nobody is blaming hazards poor form last season on john terry's lack of leadership. A player takes responsibility for his own performances if he doesn't he hasn't got the mentality to play in the top flight let alone at a team with title aspirations.
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Hazard was rightly dropped for his poor form. That's what people want with Rooney. If he can't put in the required performance then get rid. He will be better as an impact sub at around 70. That's where his career should be these days.
 
LouisDanGaal said:
No that's nonsense, nobody is blaming hazards poor form last season on john terry's lack of leadership. A player takes responsibility for his own performances if he doesn't he hasn't got the mentality to play in the top flight let alone at a team with title aspirations.
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What function does the captain serve in your world?
Why is a leader required?
Why do managers lose their jobs for the poor form of their team?

I never said that total responsibility for each individual players form falls on the captain (that is simply you creating a hysterical example to meet your needs) but to assert that a captain holds no accountability what so ever for the performance of the team around him that he is enlisted to lead is also nonsense. Why have them if they are not supposed to enhance the team (and thus individual players), it is the very purpose of leadership: to help a group perform at its optimal level in the pursuit of a common goal.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Hazard was rightly dropped for his poor form. That's what people want with Rooney. If he can't put in the required performance then get rid. He will be better as an impact sub at around 70. That's where his career should be these days.
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No arguments from me, its not exactly the thing I'm talking about with the other guy, but I agree with what you're saying.
 
facund said:
What function does the captain serve in your world?
Why is a leader required?
Why do managers lose their jobs for the poor form of their team?

I never said that total responsibility for each individual players form falls on the captain (that is simply you creating a hysterical example to meet your needs) but to assert that a captain holds no accountability what so ever for the performance of the team around him that he is enlisted to lead is also nonsense. Why have them if they are not supposed to enhance the team (and thus individual players), it is the very purpose of leadership: to help a group perform at its optimal level in the pursuit of a common goal.
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Both players and managers have talked highly of Rooneys captainship. He isn't accountable for how anyone else plays. If we give the armband to Zlatan next game and Rooney plays awfully is it Zlatans fault? No. A player has to sort out his own game, the role of the captain is more about setting an example and game management, he isn't there to try and coax the best out of anyone and it would be distracting to their own performance if they were. There are some players who can do it, for instance Keane as a captain, but in general the role of a captain isn't about that.
 
LouisDanGaal said:
The issue is more than Rooney. He is a part of the problem but he isn't the problem.

Rooney is not accountable for what any other player does and I maintain that, he should be dropped but that is because he is playing crap not because It will in improve our other players.
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Obviously he has no affect on other players touch, passing accuracy, work rate etc Though I've heard this excuse for Rooney himself in the past.

However you know if Rooney is the No.10 the right hand side of the pitch will receive much more service than the centre forward and the left back/winger. He'll connect much more with Valencia than he will with Martial.

Every player is responsible for his own performance but football is a team sport. In any team sport one players decisions affect another.
 
LouisDanGaal said:
Both players and managers have talked highly of Rooneys captainship. He isn't accountable for how anyone else plays. If we give the armband to Zlatan next game and Rooney plays awfully is it Zlatans fault? No. A player has to sort out his own game, the role of the captain is more about setting an example and game management, he isn't there to try and coax the best out of anyone and it would be distracting to their own performance if they were. There are some players who can do it, for instance Keane as a captain, but in general the role of a captain isn't about that.
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Well both his example and game management are not up to scratch
 
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