Where is my error?
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Where is my error?
I've already told you. I can't be arsed discussing this anymore.
Herrera was voted motm by the cafe with Schneiderlin coming in 4th but yeah okay whatever, we had balance in our midfield, Pogba was free to do his stuff. That is the whole point of dropping Rooney, our biggest problems tonight were our forwards and full backs.
The whole latin thing? It didn't make sense as I had taken into account other circumstance but fair enough, lets leave It there.
Yeah that was a very balanced display, we really stayed on the front foot. Freeing Pogba up to slide the ball back to them should be an important feature of our play going forward.
I didn't say it was a balanced display, I said we had balance in our midfield. Didn't say we were excellent, didn't say we created a hat full of chances, didn't say we stayed on the front foot, didn't say Pogba played well, literally just said we had a balance in our midfield which will never happen with the Fellaini-Pogba-Rooney trio in it.
I won't even argue we didn't have balance in midfield (although we didn't) but we didn't have balance in the team, so why would it even matter.
We've had two seasons of Rooney being below average at best, we've had one game of him out of the team right now. Bit of a difference between the two.
He had a medium term injury last season. Check our form then,
New manager, new chance for the players, look at Fellaini, nobody was willing to give Rooney a chance despite him playing well so far this season, especially if you compare him to our other forwards minus ibra.
I don't really see what tonight's display has to do with the price of bread when it comes to Rooney.
Rojo, Smalling, Darmian, Morgan, Hererra, Rashford - it was a totally different team and even formation tonight.
We played like shit, it doesn't mean we'd have been better with Rooney or that Mata and Mkhiki aren't both better options at 10.
The only fact on display tonight is that we have a lot of players floating around and not much of an idea as to what our best 11 is or even what our tactics are.
Why is this thread even being bumped!
Rojo, Smalling, Darmian, Morgan, Hererra, Rashford - it was a totally different team and even formation tonight.
We played like shit, it doesn't mean we'd have been better with Rooney or that Mata and Mkhiki aren't both better options at 10.
The only fact on display tonight is that we have a lot of players floating around and not much of an idea as to what our best 11 is or even what our tactics are.
Why is this thread even being bumped!
He hasn't really though, has he? I mean he's managed to be involved in a few goals, and he was okay at the weekend against City but his overall performances have been incredibly average: he hasn't produced what anyone could describe as an excellent performance yet, or even a very good one.
I said well.
And I said he's been average - that wouldn't be him playing well. I'd struggle to term his overall game this season as him playing well, unless actively not being terrible is now enough to qualify.
No but helping us score goals, win games, and look better with him in the team does.
Have we really looked any better with him in the team? Tonight might just be the worst we've looked...but then that'll no doubt be partly down to the fact that we also dropped Zlatan, Shaw and other usual players. I don't think Rooney's done anything of note to enhance the quality of the team when he's been in it.
Link midfield and attack which nobody did tonight. Yes we genuinely looked worse than LVG united tonight. Against city we were outclassed for forty minutes but that's against a very good team and we eventually got a foothold. Tonight we would not have scored if we were still playing right now.
We missed fellaini, Shaw, Valencia more than we missed Rooney.
We might be underestimating Rooney In regards to his effect on the entire team. We had no direction today. Atleast we had some against City.
Exactly. Tonight's game proved a lot of people wrong.
Rooney doesn't really do it either. He's not go the ability or energy to either take it past players in tight spaces to create an effort, or to drop back and press the opposition midfielders effectively. The Rooney of 2010/11 and sometimes in 2011/12 was a superb link between attack and midfield: a goalscorer and hard worker who both pressed and created. That's not the case now.
Well well. Turns out he isn't the problem.
I asked this a couple of weeks ago but who are the players that are supposed to replace him again?
He literally won us a game doing exactly what you are describing 2 games ago. I don't rate him when he drops back, but when he stations himself in the right position, as he is doing better this season he is effective.
Rooney haters in hiding now 
Some posters here celebrating as if we won the league, just cause we played shit today without Rooney. They truly seem to care more about Rooney than MUFC.
Fairly standard Rooney midfield performance tonight.
Rooney haters in hiding now
Because we lost a game without him?
He's better than the dross our midfielders and attackers served us today.
Because apparently Pogba and other players not playing to their potential was Rooney holding them all back. There will be some serious backtracking now.
No mate, there's a feck load more people celebrating in this thread when Rooney has a shocker even when United win.
Who the hell celebrates when Rooney plays badly? What sort of nonsense is that? Everyone here would love Rooney to roll back the years and become a world beater. People are fed up of years of poor performances and vent their frustration about it, so stop trying to twist things in to something they're not.
Since when has one game proved anything?
The logic, or lack of it in this thread is painful.
The logic, or lack of it in this thread is painful.
Don't bring logic into it, that's just not fair.
Exactly
Yep. They are all stuck in the post match thread trying to claim 'it was those wingers folt'Rooney haters in hiding now
Yeah what we've lacked today was 'fresh Rooney', whatever that means... Seriously though Wayne is one of a few problems that we have atm.
He's shite, we're shite, so I guess it's only fitting he's one of our main players.
Lose with Rooney:
"He's crap, we need to replace him"
Lose without Rooney:
"We really missed Rooney today"
He wouldn't have made a difference anyway. We lost a ton of matches with him in the squad.
"He's crap, we need to replace him"
Lose without Rooney:
"We really missed Rooney today"
He wouldn't have made a difference anyway. We lost a ton of matches with him in the squad.
I'm curious how many of you folks thought "this game's going badly, if only we'd have Rooney..." he'd send 1 or 2 of those delicious diagonals to the right wing
At least we know he wasn't the problem today. And not many see him as the solution either.
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