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Considering this is a thread for Rooney's performances for this season, a season where he has been getting the numbers at the very least(although early stages) and has been pretty decent, it's just bias and hatred that has been responsble for half the views on this thread.
And while I would agree that the Rooney defenders(including me) have been biased as well, any neutral(if any)can surely testify that his performances shouldn't be subject to the kind of abuse he has been getting, especially as our caf favourites have had a minimal impact

I'm not bothering with talk of hate and love, who cares about this stuff?

It's all about should he be in the team or not and as I said you guys have decided only a players very recent form counts.

So I hope if/when Rooney doesn't score or assist for three games you'll call for him to be dropped. At least have some consistency with your arguments even if they are deeply flawed.

4-5 new pages added to the Rooney performance thread in only a day, after a match he didn't even play in.

Jesus Christ :lol:

Well to be fair the conversation only started after the Feyenoord game because you guys tried to use a 90mins in which he wasn't involved to prove a point.
 
Considering this is a thread for Rooney's performances for this season, a season where he has been getting the numbers at the very least(although early stages) and has been pretty decent, it's just bias and hatred that has been responsble for half the views on this thread.
And while I would agree that the Rooney defenders(including me) have been biased as well, any neutral(if any)can surely testify that his performances shouldn't be subject to the kind of abuse he has been getting, especially as our caf favourites have had a minimal impact
Literally no neutrals I talk to rate him anymore. None of them wanted him to start for England in the euros.

He needs a big performance against Watford, he should be fresh and sharp, let's hope he shows it.
 
How can you dictate play when you're paired up with Fellaini in central midfield, in front of you there are two immobile strikers in Rooney and Ibra and on the left wing you get either off-colour Martial or Lingard who lost almost every ball in the derby game. You're asking for miracles.
I swore I wouldn't post in here again but, last year I said a number of times that Rooney needs runners to work best, he was never a skillful player he used his football intelligence (which is superb) to makes passes even to make space for himself as the defenders followed the runs (example of this is his run against Southampton for zlatans header).
Whenever I've said this the immediate response is..."omgurrrrd you love Rooney! You Rooney fan boy! Blame all the other players not moving, its got nothing to do with Rooney yer right"
Yet the same excuse is being used here for pogba and its different why?
I happen to agree that Rooney isn't the player he was because a lot of that relied on getting round the pitch doing everything and he can't do that now, but some of the criticism he gets is unbelievable, and this season he really hasnt been bad he's been involved in the majority of our good plays.
The time to replace him is coming very soon but he still has a place this season as the squad just isn't ready yet.
 
And he was decent on the left v Hull too. Given our wingers aren't exactly tearing teams apart at the moment, it isn't such a bad option.
I feel the right is better since he has always had a good cross, is quicker than Mata and can do the defensive work if needed. He can also join Zlatan in the box as Valencia overlaps
 
I swore I wouldn't post in here again but, last year I said a number of times that Rooney needs runners to work best, he was never a skillful player he used his football intelligence (which is superb) to makes passes even to make space for himself as the defenders followed the runs (example of this is his run against Southampton for zlatans header).
Whenever I've said this the immediate response is..."omgurrrrd you love Rooney! You Rooney fan boy! Blame all the other players not moving, its got nothing to do with Rooney yer right"
Yet the same excuse is being used here for pogba and its different why?

Cause it's related to not being able to dictate the game while being played in unpreferred position(nr 8) in ridiculous tactical set up(4-4-2 with Fella in the center). It's too many hurdles on too short distance. Also Pogba played only 1 game as a nr 10. It's too small sample to draw definitive conclusions in direct comparisons. Though it's not like Paul's Juve history has been erased.

Last season on offensive front we had Martial in great form, Rashford flourishing since February and the presence of Mata being helpful half of the time. Now we've got 2 striker statues, wingers devoid of any kind of form plus Rashford being used as a sub. Fielding two slow strikers that replicate their styles of play on the pitch would be a big disadvantage for any team.

I think you have blanked first half of last season from your memory when Rooney was utterly shite. It wasn't his team mates fault that his touch was horrendously bad. His style of play was unimaginative, alike to playing on auto pilot with no sight of football intelligence.
This season there were 4 moments of quality from Rooney. For me that amount doesn't automatically warrant starts. He assisted twice and scored once but wasn't good in any of those games.

Btw when did Rooney played as good as Pogba did on his debut? French kid recorded fantastic performance, a 9/10? For Roo it probably was in 4-0 win against Club Brugge over 1 year ago. I believe differences between the Belgian club and Southampton don't need to be detailed. Before that game you'd have to dig really deep to find such level being displayed by our Wayne.
 
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Well to be fair the conversation only started after the Feyenoord game because you guys tried to use a 90mins in which he wasn't involved to prove a point.

Sorry 'you guys' who is that then and how am i a part of it?

I haven't tried to prove anything or even made a comment on our performance yesterday with regards to Rooney. In fact i doubt i've even made a comment this season in defence of Rooney's recent performances.

Some of 'you guys' in here are paranoid.
 
We signed Pogba as a midfielder not a number 10.

A central midfielder brought for £89M? He's here to help reinvent our offensive game. He's here to score and assist, not to play Carrick role in United team. Ignoring Juve and France experiences would be an example of sheer idiocy. Guy's a nr 10 and we'll look fatal dumb if we don't let him play there.
 
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Sorry 'you guys' who is that then and how am i a part of it?

I haven't tried to prove anything or even made a comment on our performance yesterday with regards to Rooney. In fact i doubt i've even made a comment this season in defence of Rooney's recent performances.

Some of 'you guys' in here are paranoid.

When there's war taking place you must pay attention to colours of your fashion choices. :p
 
Excuse me? The amount of stick Rooney receives on this forum is beyond a joke. You clearly have not been around enough to see it. Rooney started the season being our most productive player, and he still received more stick than any other player :lol: The Caf vendetta against Rooney is real. It's no real secret that many United fans want him to retire/be sold.
Yeah it is weird, I don't mind him getting stick. People have had plenty to talk about and that is okay when it is valid. But this bizarre notion that there aren't reams and reams of ridiculous foamy, ranty, OTT biased posts arguing from the position that his mere existence ruins supporting United is mind boggling. I certainly don't understand it.

The first thing to do is to sign a top player who can play there. I haven't watched enough of Mhki but he might be the solution this season. He had a tremendous season for Dortmund and was voted the best player in the Bundesliga ahead of all Bayern stars all of whom are currently far better than Rooney.
The idea that you can just plug and play different players from different leagues and have them work seamlessly is not valid. Every "just sign a top player, lad" scenario carries some form of risk. You can't make the "plug and play" argument and then then go on to wave away the fact that the player who is to replace has 12 years of experience in the league when it no longer suits the position you're arguing from. It is no longer cogent.

You can't just throw different players at a situation and hope for the best, you go with the experience first and you settle the new player in time and have him blossom. The problem of arguing from this position means one has to apportion an amount of credit that the player in question with 12 years of experience at the top, loads of trophies won, individual scoring accolades.

With the general narrative in this thread, that appears to be not on. People have to be more patient, they need to understand that bringing in players from a foreign league can take time, take patience and take understanding from the fans. Mkhi needs that patience as well, not just Rooney.
 
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We signed Pogba as a midfielder not a number 10.
The extents you'd go to fight in Rooney's corner would be admirable if they weren't pathetic, you honestly want the club to misuse a ninetey million pound asset just to see the continued presence, in our starting eleven, of a thirty something has been that has extorted the club at every opportunity! What Mourinho is doing right now is driving a Rolls Royce off road, if he persists with this he will blunder himself into the sack, just like his mentor before him.
 
The extents you'd go to fight in Rooney's corner would be admirable if they weren't pathetic, you honestly want the club to misuse a ninetey million pound asset just to see the continued presence, in our starting eleven, of a thirty something has been that has extorted the club at every opportunity! What Mourinho is doing right now is driving a Rolls Royce off road, if he persists with this he will blunder himself into the sack, just like his mentor before him.

You may think it's misuse. I just want what is best for this club. We saw what happened with Feynoord. Pogba is good enough to play with Fellaini he just needs time to adjust.
 
Cause it's related to not being able to dictate the game while being played in unpreferred position(nr 8) in ridiculous tactical set up(4-4-2 with Fella in the center). It's too many hurdles on too short distance. Also Pogba played only 1 game as a nr 10. It's too small sample to draw definitive conclusions in direct comparisons. Though it's not like Paul's Juve history has been erased.

Last season on offensive front we had Martial in great form, Rashford flourishing since February and the presence of Mata being helpful half of the time. Now we've got 2 striker statues, wingers devoid of any kind of form plus Rashford being used as a sub. Fielding two slow strikers that replicate their styles of play on the pitch would be a big disadvantage for any team.

I think you have blanked first half of last season from your memory when Rooney was utterly shite. It wasn't his team mates fault that his touch was horrendously bad. His style of play was unimaginative, alike to playing on auto pilot with no sight of football intelligence.
This season there were 4 moments of quality from Rooney. For me that amount doesn't automatically warrant starts. He assisted twice and scored once but wasn't good in any of those games.

Btw when did Rooney played as good as Pogba did on his debut? French kid recorded fantastic performance, a 9/10? For Roo it probably was in 4-0 win against Club Brugge over 1 year ago. I believe differences between the Belgian club and Southampton don't need to be detailed. Before that game you'd have to dig really deep to find such level being displayed by our Wayne.
I think his style of play being unimaginative is clearly down to lvg to be honest.
Those moments you mentioned won us games and had he not provided them who would of? I also think you are over playing martial rashford and Mata, Mata Is not a runner off the ball, he makes space but doesn't stretch defences rashford was for the last few months even still we are saying two unknowns were Rooneys only help?
I wouldn't give a 9/10 for his performance he was good but a 9 requires a goal or assist personally, I may of at the time but was probably knee jerk.

We are fortunate he was around during the last 3 seasons under dog shit management because I'd dread to think where we would of finished, he hasn't been great last couple seasons but no body has.
 
Sorry 'you guys' who is that then and how am i a part of it?

I haven't tried to prove anything or even made a comment on our performance yesterday with regards to Rooney. In fact i doubt i've even made a comment this season in defence of Rooney's recent performances.

Some of 'you guys' in here are paranoid.

"You guys" would be those posters who irrationally defend Rooney. Looking at your posts in this thread whilst not as staunch as some I'd say you fall into that category. I don't want that to sounds harsh and of course you won't believe this to be true but then there isn't a single poster in this thread who admits a bias in Rooney favour.

If you're surprised at the number of comments after a game in which he didn't feature go and look at what and who started the comments.
 
I think his style of play being unimaginative is clearly down to lvg to be honest.

Yet it isn't an isolated trend. He has played same stuff under Moyes, LVG, Hodgson, even late SAF. Rooney is a second striker and he has creativity levels of such player. Just last year he happened to scrape the bottom of the barrel.

Those moments you mentioned won us games and had he not provided them who would of? I also think you are over playing martial rashford and Mata, Mata Is not a runner off the ball, he makes space but doesn't stretch defences rashford was for the last few months even still we are saying two unknowns were Rooneys only help?
I wouldn't give a 9/10 for his performance he was good but a 9 requires a goal or assist personally, I may of at the time but was probably knee jerk.

He has come up with 3 or 4 moments of quality in last 5 games. How many of them did Pogba notch up in single Southampton game. 5? 10? If he was played in his best position at the top of functional midfield he could help create 2, maybe 3 times more goalscoring situations. Point is this guy is greatly talented. We should play him to his strengths so he could translate his abilities into winning contributions. Pogba-Fellaini midfield two is an aberration.

We are fortunate he was around during the last 3 seasons under dog shit management because I'd dread to think where we would of finished, he hasn't been great last couple seasons but no body has.

Dunno how others see it, but I certainly haven't felt blessed by having to watch him for last 3 years.
 
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You may think it's misuse. I just want what is best for this club. We saw what happened with Feynoord. Pogba is good enough to play with Fellaini he just needs time to adjust.


The idea of opening up a donut shop on Arctic Circle is a terrific one. Those fat bearded scientists won't be able to resist it's sugarcoated offer.
 
Yet it isn't an isolated trend. He has played same stuff under Moyes, LVG, Hodgson, even late SAF. Rooney is a second striker and he has creativity levels of such player. Just last year he happened to scrape the bottom of the barrel.

What nonsense. Under Moyes he was our best attacking player
 
It doesn't mean anything beyond my crap attempt at a joke, tbh.
 
Yet it isn't an isolated trend. He has played same stuff under Moyes, LVG, Hodgson, even late SAF. Rooney is a second striker and he has creativity levels of such player. Just last year he happened to scrape the bottom of the barrel.



He has come up with 3 or 4 moments of quality in last 5 games. How many of them did Pogba notch up in single Southampton game. 5? 10? If he was played in his best position at the top of functional midfield he could help create 2, maybe 3 times more goalscoring situations. Point is this guy is greatly talented. We should play him to his strengths so he could translate his abilities into winning contributions. Pogba-Fellaini midfield two is an aberration.
I agree with this


Dunno how others see it, but I certainly haven't felt blessed by having to watch him for last 3 years.
if you can tell me what these 10! moments of quality were that led to a goal scoring oppotunity i'll leave it alone.

Ah yes Moyes the managerial great, did anyone play well under him? what about lvg? no and no and the last season under fergie we equally played shit football i actually didnt enjoy watching us but we were somehow winning so its forgotten about. Although if you search for zombie passing threads i believe the discussions had started about our teams lack of movement, which happened around the same time rooneys performances dropped.

non of this changes my original post that when pogba has no movement he is given an excuse, when rooney is given no movement people expect the impossible. This notion he is holding the club back is bollocks, take away rooney from the last 3 years

27 starts 2015/16 8 goals 6 assists - second top scorer (playing from midfield mostly)
33 starts 2014/15 12 goals 5 assists - top scorer
27 starts 2013/14 17 goals 10 assists - top scorer (not bad for "shit season")

So last 3 years we were awful no doubt, take away a player who was our top goal scorer for 2 of the 3, and second for the other, where do you believe we would of finished? You dont have to like it but facts remain he has been our most productive player during a terrible period
 
Does that mean you don't rate anything what martial did last season? Or Rashford?

Martial was far better last season than Rooney in that season, Rashford's performances were far better than his too, but he was there just for less than half of the season tbf. But I am sure you'll bring on the stats now.

And there's also that thing with Rooney that he always plays no matter what, but one or two average games from Rashford or Martial and they'll end up on the bench, so it's always difficult to compare Rooney with our other players because of his status.
 
Martial was far better last season than Rooney in that season, Rashford's performances were far better than his too, but he was there just for less than half of the season tbf. But I am sure you'll bring on the stats now.

And there's also that thing with Rooney that he always plays no matter what, but one or two average games from Rashford or Martial and they'll end up on the bench, so it's always difficult to compare Rooney with our other players because of his status.

He wasn't. Martial was excellent as was Rooney in the Moyes season. Scoring goals from FKs, from halfline etc (overall 17 goals) creating goals (assisted 10 goals, has to be among the top in the assists I guess). That is what you need from a forward/attacking mid surely?

Sure you would probably bring out instances where he was dispossessed or he miplaced a pass and stuff but surely no one actually care if a forward does anything well other than scoring goals?
 
As an outsider the Rooney situation is pretty clear.
He and his reps have had United over a barrel since Ferguson's last season when he was intended to go as a saleable asset to a team like Chelsea who were probably acceptable to the player and United.
You get to ease him out of the place and he's happy enough to go.
Then in comes Moyes and Rooney is then seen as the icon of the club, given an outrageous new contract and now has huge control of his and United's destiny.
He's still here, calling the shots, expecting to be at United until he says differently. He won't just go because he's been rumbled as a liability. He'll stay as long as long as it pleases him to.
Sorry guys he'll haunt you for some time yet. He'll have the odd good game but nowhere near enough to justify the hold he has over you.

City fan here has it spot on unfortunately
 
Kind of reckon Pep would have given him the Hart treatment
 
"You guys" would be those posters who irrationally defend Rooney. Looking at your posts in this thread whilst not as staunch as some I'd say you fall into that category.

Oh so you decide this do you lol, so for you everyone has to fall into one camp or the other. Theres no middle ground then? If someone doesn't think Rooney is just the worst and takes every opportunity to spout bile about him they are defending him

For what its worth i personally think Rooney has declined, hasn't been great this season in general and i would prefer to see him used as an impact player rather than a starter all of which i've said on here many times. But lets not let any of that get in the way of your pigeon holing.


I don't want that to sounds harsh and of course you won't believe this to be true but then there isn't a single poster in this thread who admits a bias in Rooney favour.

Nor would many of the people who run around from thread to thread bitching about him everyday admit that they actually despise the guy.

If you're surprised at the number of comments after a game in which he didn't feature go and look at what and who started the comments.

But they started it highlights the levels of ridiculousness the discussions surrounding Rooney have reached. I wasn't surprised at all by the amount of comments in here i expected it regardless of the result. If we lost which we did some would try to use that as evidence that he's integral to the side doing well.

But on the flip side had we won and convincingly there would have been others with this page already open and waiting with their smug ''i told you so'' posts. Theres no middle ground anymore.

We didn't lose and play shit because Rooney didn't play, had we won and played well it wouldn't have been specifically because of Rooney's absence either.
 
4-5 new pages added to the Rooney performance thread in only a day, after a match he didn't even play in.

Jesus Christ :lol:

People are blaming Rooney. Many wanted him out and Pogba at 10 and a three man midfield. There is plenty of discussion for them after the shambles of Thursday.

I don't believe if Rooney had played in Pogba's role Rashford would of been so isolated.

I'm of the opinion Zlatan and Rooney is too slow a pairing. I'd like to see Rashford and Zlatan, but Jose is too defensive minded to do that.
 
It's irrelevant whether we win or lose without Rooney in the team, just as it's irrelevant whether player X or player Y is worse than him (as seems to be the most used defence of him these days). It doesn't change the fact he's been poor for years and we can do better. That's the bottom line and nothing changes that.
 
if you can tell me what these 10! moments of quality were that led to a goal scoring oppotunity i'll leave it alone.

It was an approximation, there's no doubt that he was MOTM on that night. For example he registered 9 successful dribbles in that game. Imagine him doing them not in the center circle or inside his own half but around opposition's penalty box. I think it might have led to goalscoring opportunities. Rooney's dribbling is sub par.

Ah yes Moyes the managerial great, did anyone play well under him? what about lvg? no and no and the last season under fergie we equally played shit football i actually didnt enjoy watching us but we were somehow winning so its forgotten about. Although if you search for zombie passing threads i believe the discussions had started about our teams lack of movement, which happened around the same time rooneys performances dropped.

This not so novel idea might come to you as a shock but maybe, just maybe Rooney isn't the victim of the zombie malaise, but one of the culprits responsible for it. He lost his speed, almost never dribbles, passes sideways aplenty, loses the ball more and more frequently. A walking wellspring of creativity, isn't he?

non of this changes my original post that when pogba has no movement he is given an excuse, when rooney is given no movement people expect the impossible. This notion he is holding the club back is bollocks, take away rooney from the last 3 years

Take a hard guess how would Özil fare in 4-4-2 playing in the center next to Fellaini. Pogba doesn't normally play as an 8 or 6. Rooney plays as a nr 10 for what, 5 years now. We know what he is capable of and it's not good enough.

So last 3 years we were awful no doubt, take away a player who was our top goal scorer for 2 of the 3, and second for the other, where do you believe we would of finished? You dont have to like it but facts remain he has been our most productive player during a terrible period

Rooney occupies the most important role in the team that wants to challenge for trophies. That role is all about connecting midfield with attack. It naturally boosts his stats per se. Guy's had no real competition for it. He didn't record statistics close to zero because we're the most decorated club in England and actually have some talent at our disposal. Rooney was such talent and he can still put the ball in the back of the net. Thing is that it has to be put on the plate for him, just like that Bournemouth goal.
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Oh so you decide this do you lol, so for you everyone has to fall into one camp or the other. Theres no middle ground then? If someone doesn't think Rooney is just the worst and takes every opportunity to spout bile about him they are defending him

For what its worth i personally think Rooney has declined, hasn't been great this season in general and i would prefer to see him used as an impact player rather than a starter all of which i've said on here many times. But lets not let any of that get in the way of your pigeon holing.




Nor would many of the people who run around from thread to thread bitching about him everyday admit that they actually despise the guy.



But they started it highlights the levels of ridiculousness the discussions surrounding Rooney have reached. I wasn't surprised at all by the amount of comments in here i expected it regardless of the result. If we lost which we did some would try to use that as evidence that he's integral to the side doing well.

But on the flip side had we won and convincingly there would have been others with this page already open and waiting with their smug ''i told you so'' posts. Theres no middle ground anymore.

We didn't lose and play shit because Rooney didn't play, had we won and played well it wouldn't have been specifically because of Rooney's absence either.

Clearly you have a more balanced opinion than some, I noted that in my initial comment.

However with the tone of your post it's clear you're on the defensive regarding Rooney:

"Spout bile about him"

"Run around every thread bitching about him"

"Despise him"

This is from just one of your comments. The vast majority of posters do none of this. I see nothing from you regarding those posters at the opposite end of the spectrum. You even brought up how many posts there are after the Feyenord game yet failed to mention why. If you are balanced surely you should criticise those who used the Feyenord game to prove a point. Would you use terms as strong as "bile" and "despise" for them? I think not.

The threads barely about Rooney anymore. It's just a bunch of posters who shape the argument to defend Rooney wherever possible which in turn provokes a reaction.
 
It was an approximation, there's no doubt that he was MOTM on that night. For example he registered 9 successful dribbles in that game. Imagine him doing them not in the center circle or inside his own half but around opposition's penalty box. I think it might have led to goalscoring opportunities. Rooney's dribbling is sub par.



This not so novel idea might come to you as a shock but maybe, just maybe Rooney isn't the victim of the zombie malaise, but one of the culprits responsible for it. He lost his speed, almost never dribbles, passes sideways aplenty, loses the ball more and more frequently. A walking wellspring of creativity, isn't he?



Take a hard guess how would Özil fare in 4-4-2 playing in the center next to Fellaini. Pogba doesn't normally play as an 8 or 6. Rooney plays as a nr 10 for what, 5 years now. We know what he is capable of and it's not good enough.



Rooney occupies the most important role in the team that wants to challenge for trophies. That role is all about connecting midfield with attack. It naturally boosts his stats per se. Guy's had no real competition for it. He didn't record statistics close to zero because we're the most decorated club in England and actually have some talent at our disposal. Rooney was such talent and he can still put the ball in the back of the net. Thing is that it has to be put on the plate for him, just like that Bournemouth goal.
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I'd argue that he might not have 9 successful dribbles as he'd not have as much room on the edge of the box?
I couldn't care about dribbling! I'm also not comparing pogbas ability to Rooney, pogba is better I'm sayin just you can't have it both ways. You can't defend pogba with lack of movement and being in a midfeild with fellaini then not defend Rooney when he played in the same set up last year.

Also doesn't matter if there was no one to take his place, he wasn't the main striker yet scored and assisted more than anyone else for the last 3 seasons, without his figures we would of fell even further
 
Does winning the paralimpics make you a favorite for gold at main events?

It doesn't make any sense this sentence

The only players ahead of him in scoring were Suarez Sturridge and toure. Maybe there were forwards who had better passing success and dribbles and stuff but surely you prefer a striker who scores goals vs who does everything else but for these two?
 
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