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Walters_19_MuFc said:
Can you elaborate then, please?
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Context. The goalposts shift all the time.

Rooney scores: "performance isn't important, he scored"

Rooney doesn't score: "he performed better than player X"

Hypocrisy gets pointed out: "oh he's had a successful career"

It's tiresome bollocks. Rooney has been a great great player for United, he's a legend and we've all been lucky to watch his career first hand, but he's way past his prime. Pointing to his career achievements is irrelevant.
 
Wasn't our worst player today, and played with some fire, but that's sadly the best it comes to with Rooney these days bar a goal here and an assist there.

I'm hoping he starts vs Feyenoord and is dropped against Watford. Unless he has a stormer of a game, which I haven't seen him have for a few years now so I wouldn't hold out hope. I like him, but I'm sick of him as our starting #10. It's beyond ridiculous at this point.
 
Yagami said:
Wasn't our worst player today, and played with some fire, but that's sadly the best it comes to with Rooney these days bar a goal here and an assist there.

I'm hoping he starts vs Feyenoord and is dropped against Watford. Unless he has a stormer of a game, which I haven't seen him have for a few years now so I wouldn't hold out hope. I like him, but I'm sick of him as our starting #10. It's beyond ridiculous at this point.
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Agree totally needs to be benched
 
Rado_N said:
Context. The goalposts shift all the time.

Rooney scores: "performance isn't important, he scored"

Rooney doesn't score: "he performed better than player X"

Hypocrisy gets pointed out: "oh he's had a successful career"

It's tiresome bollocks. Rooney has been a great great player for United, he's a legend and we've all been lucky to watch his career first hand, but he's way past his prime. Pointing to his career achievements is irrelevant.
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One last time, and I won't bother with you again.

Four games played. In two of those games Rooney played better than Zlatan, the other two Zlatan played better. We need both to win the premiership. I am talking for this year. Rooney is past his prime, Zlatan is past his prime, and we don't know if Miki has any "prime" worth talking about. It doesn't matter. So far, this year, Rooney is one of our best players. (Messi is past his prime, too.)
 
1). Rooney played well today, he actually looked like a number 10. He tried hard to get us to tie the game, and he should have earned a penalty.

2). KDB is miles better than Rooney today, mainly due to his speed and mobility. The difference between the two is mainly due to Rooney aging, his legs just are not there anymore. So there is an argument to be made that even at his best, Rooney should not be the ideal No. 10 for United.

3). Pogba is not a DM, and perhaps not the best as b2b. If we play with Pogba & Rooney at 10, too much of the defensive duties fall on Fellaini (or whoever is the other midfielder). Against top opposition (or maybe even Arsenal level teams) we will be found out. For tougher opponents we need to play 4-3-3, and Rooney either switched wide or dropped to bench.

4). Mourinho will eventually have to decide whether to start Rooney in a wide position or whether to start him in the bench. Even when playing well, he is no longer the best at any front 4 positions.

5). Playing Rooney at 10 meant that we started on the wrong tactical formation to play against city, and it actually cost us points today. We can't really blame Rooney for that, even Mourinho said "it's my fault".

Edit: we need to move on from Rooney being the first name on team sheet. With him as perennial starter we won't win the title.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
That could be said about everyone in the squad. For example, when you compare Ibrahimovic's performances to Aguero's, you understand why we can't continue with him as a 9. Or, compare Martial's performances to Ronaldo's, you understand why we can't continue with him as a winger.
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Your mentioning the world's best players. Anyways I get your point, for all the money we've spent we should have better options, there's really no one in our team making a clear case of being a better 10 than Rooney. Mikhi ballsed his chance today, Mata can't really be trusted...I'd love to see Herrera given a run there
 
fellaini's barber said:
Your mentioning the world's best players. Anyways I get your point, for all the money we've spent we should have better options, there's really no one in our team making a clear case of being a better 10 than Rooney. Mikhi ballsed his chance today, Mata can't really be trusted...I'd love to see Herrera given a run there
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I'm mentioning the world's best because that's where we should aspire to be. We're Manchester United.
 
fellaini's barber said:
Your mentioning the world's best players. Anyways I get your point, for all the money we've spent we should have better options, there's really no one in our team making a clear case of being a better 10 than Rooney. Mikhi ballsed his chance today, Mata can't really be trusted...I'd love to see Herrera given a run there
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Tbf, Micky was pretty much rushed into this game, a massive game at that. We all know that he is a good footballer and I expect him to start ahead of Rooney once he gets up to speed. He is a better footballer, just needs to get match fit.
 
itso 7 said:
It shouldn't be No.10 or bust though, there is a strong case for playing him on the right so we could play 4-3-3 with him on the right and bring in Carrick to play the holding role.
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Did you see him on the right today? He was stationary, just hitting crosses, is that what you want from your wingers? You saw what Sane and Silva were doing to us on our left wing right? or maybe if watched Mane in today's Liverpool game. Our slow forwards and terrible wingers were our downfall today. Bravo was practically giving us the ball to score him, but Zlatan and Rooney were simply too slow. This playing Rooney anywhere nonesense is not helping anybody
 
Was like Becks todsy on the rignt. Towards the end of the first half he played the balls in from the right that gave us clear cut chances, its a shame Zlatan didnt acore all 3.
 
Not performing at all, despite getting more chances than anyone else. Mou trying his best to get a performance out of him in whatever position he can do the least harm to us in. Drop him and give someone else his amount of minutes and we'll be a better team.
 
fellaini's barber said:
Did you see him on the right today? He was stationary, just hitting crosses, is that what you want from your wingers? You saw what Sane and Silva were doing to us on our left wing right? or maybe if watched Mane in today's Liverpool game. Our slow forwards and terrible wingers were our downfall today. Bravo was practically giving us the ball to score him, but Zlatan and Rooney were simply too slow. This playing Rooney anywhere nonesense is not helping anybody
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At least there he does the least damage to our overall play and we can play a 4-3-3. Thats the best we can hope for because he isn't getting dropped anytime soon, this is a mitigation measure.
 
dichinero said:
Is there another Becks other than our David?
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dichinero said:
Is there another Becks other than our David?
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Oh i forgot, this is redcafe. We must hate Rooney and get him out of the side so we can everything...

Was our most crestive person today, name another player that created as many chances. If Zlatan had finished 75% of his chances, we would have come away with a win.
 
itso 7 said:
At least there he does the least damage to our overall play and we can play a 4-3-3. Thats the best we can hope for because he isn't getting dropped anytime soon, this is a mitigation measure.
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If Mou like LVG isn't ready to do what needs to be done to improve our team, he'll get the boot too. Seems like they want to see how far their shoehorning experiments can go before doing the right thing. In LVG's case even a beating wasn't enough, let's hope Mou isn't that stupid, I expect there'll be a shake up in the team after this
 
BigTimeCharlie said:
Oh i forgot, this is redcafe. We must hate Rooney and get him out of the side so we can everything...

Was our most crestive person today, name another player that created as many chances. If Zlatan had finished 75% of his chances, we would have come away with a win.
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Don't blame it on the Caf. If you don't see a problem with you comparing that performance from Rooney with David Beckham then you need to sit and watch videos to remind you.
 
I thought he did quite well today, he was one of our better players. He didn't make me want to shout at my television, he actually impressed me with some of his moves. Maybe the recent criticisms gave him a needed kick. Anyway hopefully he will keep on doing well.
 
nick2004 said:
There is no contradiction. I did not say that Zlatan is shit and should be dropped.

I just pointed out that Rooney played better than Zlatan in two games out of four. It's a simple fact. They both are world class players, sometimes one will play better than the other. It's normal.
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:nono: Rooney was World Class player 4 or 5 years ago!!
 
Its always funny when the praise for him is that
"he wasnt our worst player"
or
"he did ok"
like thats acceptable where hes playing.

At number 10, I would love to know how many times he attempted to pass to Zlatan and how many reached (given Zlatan had 20 touches whole game). He was decent once he went out wide though.
Also should have had a penalty.

But he was pretty brainless to leave the receipt when he did given City were struggling to get the ball away.
 
Football365 said:
At this point we are duty-bound to praise Rooney for ‘trying to make things happen’. Which basically means tearing around, chasing balls, flying into tackles for which he really should be booked sooner, attempting to start a fight with Guardiola, taking all the set-pieces and appealing every time the ball hits an opposition player on any part of his body in the box.

By the end of the game he had lost possession more times than anybody else on the pitch (23), which – granted – only happens when you are ‘trying to make things happen’. But for real influence, check out De Bruyne, nominally playing in the same position as Rooney at the opening whistle but making a lot less noise while having a lot more impact.
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http://www.football365.com/news/man-united-1-2-man-city-16-conclusions
 
Compared to the first 3 games, Rooney played better today.

Compared to several of our players, like Mhki, Lingard, Blind, Bailly and Pogba, I thought Rooney played relatively better.

Compared to the Nr 10 in the other team, Rooney compares poorly.

So was Rooney great today? Was Rooney terrible today? I'd say it was an above average and perhaps a good performance. At least some of the younger players can learn not to let the occasion get them.
 
Everyone is going on circle in this thread. If you ask should he starts? Maybe not. Was he bad against City? Maybe no but he was ok. Should others start before him? Maybe yes, but the with way other attackers performing right now maybe not.

IMO, he is a squad player at best at this moment, but he needs to be ease out rather than suddenly benched. I don't see how KDB or even Silva is relevant when we talk about our squad. Before, some says that Mikhi will perform but he didn't yesterday. Yesterday the fault mostly lied on the tactical reason, nothing more, nothing less.
 
He was OK, no more. Nowadays he is the utility man who moves from number 10 to right wing to spending the last 10 minutes with his socks down firing in long high balls from the half way line. Not sure what Mourinho is trying to do with him and Ibra.
 
he has been shit for a couple of years now. Anyone who defends him is blind in my opinion.
 
ManRant said:
Everyone is going on circle in this thread. If you ask should he starts? Maybe not. Was he bad against City? Maybe no but he was ok. Should others start before him? Maybe yes, but the with way other attackers performing right now maybe not.

IMO, he is a squad player at best at this moment, but he needs to be ease out rather than suddenly benched. I don't see how KDB or even Silva is relevant when we talk about our squad. Before, some says that Mikhi will perform but he didn't yesterday. Yesterday the fault mostly lied on the tactical reason, nothing more, nothing less.
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Mata is our "Silva" and yet never gets a chance to play in the hole cause Rooneys got his name on it.

Same with Pogba, Mkhitaryan, Herrera... All of these guys would be better than Rooney at CAM. Even Fellaini at times has looked better there. But it's pointless talking about cause Accomodating Rooney is officially more important than Manchester United.

I never say this about one of our own players but honestly the day he gets sold, I will be delighted. It can't come soon enough.
 
I wish he'd bench him for just 1 match so we could see how different the team plays
 
The frustrating thing was that he wasn't that bad, but you still get the feeling that the team would be better without him playing. Even when he isn't awful, he just doesn't do enough. IMO anyway.
 
Jaybomb said:
Mata is our "Silva" and yet never gets a chance to play in the hole cause Rooneys got his name on it.

Same with Pogba, Mkhitaryan, Herrera... All of these guys would be better than Rooney at CAM. Even Fellaini at times has looked better there. But it's pointless talking about cause Accomodating Rooney is officially more important than Manchester United.

I never say this about one of our own players but honestly the day he gets sold, I will be delighted. It can't come soon enough.
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I think the Zlatan-Rooney duo will not work primarily because of a lack of pace and other factors. We have somehow managed to recreate another Rooney - Van Persie -Falcao situation of 2014-15. This is made worse by the fact that Rooney is not the player once was but he is still useful, its just a matter of Mourinho deciding from where; be it from the bench or from a less central role - him as our No.10 is killing us.
People will say that neither Mhki, Pogba or Mata have pulled up trees but if we discarded every player after a disastrous game would Rooney have managed a twelve year career with us? We need to persist with these players like we have persisted with Rooney to give them that security where they can feel confident to try things.
 
itso 7 said:
I think the Zlatan-Rooney duo will not work primarily because of a lack of pace and other factors. We have somehow managed to recreate another Rooney - Van Persie -Falcao situation of 2014-15. This is made worse by the fact that Rooney is not the player once was but he is still useful, its just a matter of Mourinho deciding from where; be it from the bench or from a less central role - him as our No.10 is killing us.
People will say that neither Mhki, Pogba or Mata have pulled up trees but if we discarded every player after a disastrous game would Rooney have managed a twelve year career with us? We need to persist with these players like we have persisted with Rooney to give them that security where they can feel confident to try things.
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Van Persie and Falcao probably would have been a good partnership if they had a proper midfield behind them. Back then, LVG was playing a diamond of Carrick/Fellaini/Di Maria behind Rooney. Besides Di Maria, that is devoid of any creativity. It was no surprise that Falcao struggled. We basically packed 3 (slow) strikers in there.

When we changed the system to a 4231 and had that good run against City/Spurs/Liverpool/Palace, we had Fellaini as the CAM and Rooney ST, with Mata/Young on the wings. I think if we had Mata behind RVP or Falcao and Di Maria on the wing, things would have been a hell of a lot better.

There's no point in buying these big signings when they're all forced to accomodate Rooney.
 
ZDwyr said:
The frustrating thing was that he wasn't that bad, but you still get the feeling that the team would be better without him playing. Even when he isn't awful, he just doesn't do enough. IMO anyway.
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this is precisely how I feel right now.

rooney, while still a decent player who can contribute here and there and plays with passion, is not at the level to be a guaranteed starter in a top team any more.
 
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