Yep. It suits our defensive organization and out central midfielders probably, but none of our attacking players. Basically if we combine possession play with some quick counter attacking football when it comes to our midfield and forwards, we'd be much better off
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Makes me laugh we are discussing about Giggs and his sleeping around. But all these top professional probably are selfish and competitive.Agree.The back 6 pass the ball about, but the front 4 haven't got a clue how to attack this way.
Rooney used to chase lost causes, these days that just refers to his first touch.
I really don't know what we are going to do with him, we are trying to update our football to match up with the other top clubs and to me he just isn't cut out for the endless pressing and lack of touches that a #9 gets, and frankly lacks the deft short passing game and dribbling to play as the #10.
I really don't know what we are going to do with him, we are trying to update our football to match up with the other top clubs and to me he just isn't cut out for the endless pressing and lack of touches that a #9 gets, and frankly lacks the deft short passing game and dribbling to play as the #10.
Indeed. I almost forgot it was a Wayne Rooney thread for a moment and I agree; to reach the top in most cases, you must be selfish in more ways than not.I don't think it will take long until Smalling gets it tbh.
After he gave the ball away for their first he just stood there. Was poor from a captain.
Ah not to worry....
He'll score against whatever shithouse England are playing and the headlines will be...
"Rooney, best in the world!"
"Rooney! Robson, Eric and Keane rolled into one!"
"Rooney, 90% of mothers want their kids to be like him!"
The Caf will eat it up but, in reality, Fergie handed his head on a plate to Moyes, when we all saw Rooney decline.....And we're now here, unable to get rid of him and having to watch him fluff any decent chance to be a captain and cost us dearly
Robbo, Bruce, Eric and Keane....They're the benchmark...He falls below that standard
He'll score against whatever shithouse England are playing and the headlines will be...
"Rooney, best in the world!"
"Rooney! Robson, Eric and Keane rolled into one!"
"Rooney, 90% of mothers want their kids to be like him!"
The Caf will eat it up but, in reality, Fergie handed his head on a plate to Moyes, when we all saw Rooney decline.....And we're now here, unable to get rid of him and having to watch him fluff any decent chance to be a captain and cost us dearly
Robbo, Bruce, Eric and Keane....They're the benchmark...He falls below that standard
A decision taken by Moyes will haunt us for years. 
Just feck him, drop him to the reserves and never give him chances, we're paying him either way playing or not playing, not playing him at least won't ruin the team so much.
He's a spent force. As with most things, Fergie knew.
Now LvG has put all trust in him...he's made his bed and will have to lie in it.
Now LvG has put all trust in him...he's made his bed and will have to lie in it.
Prick did everything that SAF advised/wanted him to not do - sack all the staff, give a new bumper contract to Rooney, marginalize all the other senior players. The Moyes debacle is going to hurt us for a few more yearsA decision taken by Moyes will haunt us for years.
That last chance summed him up. He goes pass Williams I think then he's clear on goal and instead of shooting he makes one more step, don't know why and is bundled by Williams. Penalty or not he could have shot 3 times before he fell. Destroyed some nice through balls passed to him.
I feel so sick of Rooney right now, that I think we'd better off with him being injured for a few months. Bloody - having no striker is better than playing with Rooney and watching him talk big and deliver naught. I thought he maybe turned a corner with Brugge, but man, yesterday was up there with his worst performances for us (and there have been a fair bit in the last couple of years). Somehow, him being shit has coloured every opinion of the United team I have right now - and I can't think past that. He slows up the attack, misses sitters and screams at the ref asking for a penalty when its clear as day that he fecked it up!
It doesn't help that we have this stupid international break, coz my anger with him for this loss will keep festering for 2 weeks. We had a chance to be 6 points ahead of Chelsea and we screwed up. For all of their problems, it saddens me that we are only 3 points better off. It doesn't help that bloody city have made the most of it.
It doesn't help that we have this stupid international break, coz my anger with him for this loss will keep festering for 2 weeks. We had a chance to be 6 points ahead of Chelsea and we screwed up. For all of their problems, it saddens me that we are only 3 points better off. It doesn't help that bloody city have made the most of it.
Why is LVG exempt from sacking Wayne based on his performances. If anything, Wayne should be shitting bricks worried whether or not he will be in the squad.
Fully agree. But LVG should share the blame. He had a great relationship with RVP, but chose Rooney over him! I still don't understand that decision, but things could have been very different had RVP come back straight after the world cup. I don't think Rooney would have been able to do whatever politics s***ing up he did to land the captains role.
Because LVG said so. Rooney is my captain - so he has special privileges.
It's so frustrating to watch him play. What is he even trying to to? Chip the goalie every time? If he, as a lone striker, can't take a shot 5 meters from goal then he has no place in this team at all. It's as if he doesn't realize that the opposing defenders will try and prevent him from scoring, there is just no urgency from him when he finds himself in dangerous positions.
He's done as a top level forward. Fergie could see it and I can't believe LVG isn't seeing it.
Tactically he is absolutely destroying this team by continnually ignoring his duties. In this system, he absolutely has to stay as far up top as possible but instead we get the Wayne Rooney show in the half way line. I'm not having this bollocks of he does it to get on the ball and influence the game - he has to understand he kills this team by doing that.
Tactically he is absolutely destroying this team by continnually ignoring his duties. In this system, he absolutely has to stay as far up top as possible but instead we get the Wayne Rooney show in the half way line. I'm not having this bollocks of he does it to get on the ball and influence the game - he has to understand he kills this team by doing that.
He took a goal from similar position vs Brugge and took it very well, don't know why he diddle daddled yesterday when through on goal, just put the fecking ball in the net!
Handjobs?
He's tried that chip countless times. It rarely works.
Going to be very hard to get rid of him. This is like RVN situation. But atleast RVN still scored goals. Not one top club in Europe would want him.
I just don't get this guy. A few years ago he wanted to go to Chelsea because he wanted to play as number 9 and all the media were saying that's his best position. Now they saying it is number 10.
Going to be very hard to get rid of him. This is like RVN situation. But atleast RVN still scored goals. Not one top club in Europe would want him.
I just don't get this guy. A few years ago he wanted to go to Chelsea because he wanted to play as number 9 and all the media were saying that's his best position. Now they saying it is number 10.
At this rate even Swansea would prefer to play Gomis upfront
Touching the ball less than the keeper?
Touching the ball less than the keeper?
Oh LvG absolutely is to blame as well. He's continued to put Rooney in a position of prominence, just like Moyes did. Arguably to a higher degree as well.
But its Moyes that had the golden opportunity to get rid. Now, with a 300k/week contract, its much harder.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/34104468
Some more excuses and some more lazy journalism by Jason Roberts.
He should now be nr. 10 and Mata and Herrera should do more runs cause Rooney likes to drift around.
Some more excuses and some more lazy journalism by Jason Roberts.
He should now be nr. 10 and Mata and Herrera should do more runs cause Rooney likes to drift around.
I know I'm going to be alone in this, but whatever. To preface this, I don't think he was good yesterday - but I don't think he was as poor as most think either, and there were at least 3 players that were more detrimental to the team performance than he was. In any case, I think he's improving. I'm not sure whether it's him or it's the team getting a bit better, but at the beginning of the season, first couple of games (and similar against Newcastle), we weren't creating anything. Unless I'm mistaken, this is our PL game with the most clear cut chances, and I think Rooney (and Herrera) were responsible for this yesterday. People were criticizing his movement and the fact he wouldn't take on players. Yesterday, he got two chances when running in behind the defence (passes from Shaw and Herrera) and one when taking in both CBs, the hail Mary clearance he converted into a clear cut chance (which came from a sublime touch).
Now I'm not excusing his finishing, it was awful yesterday, you could tell the killer instincts just weren't there and he's still thinking too much, when really a striker should be reacting in a split second with his instincts, which Rooney definitely had. Whether those instincts are definitely gone or just need reigniting is of course a question that's still up in the air, and I know the majority consensus on here, but I just wanted to say that there's signs of us having more penetration and ability to create chances than I initially feared, and Rooney's game yesterday was a big reason in that.
Now I'm not excusing his finishing, it was awful yesterday, you could tell the killer instincts just weren't there and he's still thinking too much, when really a striker should be reacting in a split second with his instincts, which Rooney definitely had. Whether those instincts are definitely gone or just need reigniting is of course a question that's still up in the air, and I know the majority consensus on here, but I just wanted to say that there's signs of us having more penetration and ability to create chances than I initially feared, and Rooney's game yesterday was a big reason in that.
Problem is when he was in good situations he overthought it, when Shaw put him through for instance he tried to dribble and lost the ball instead on going through in the direction of the goal or at least shot it. Not to mention that last chance when he took a step more for no apparent reason when he had all the time in the world to shot. When he needs to shoot he dribbles, when he needs to dribble he shoots.
That's exactly what I'm saying, currently his instincts in front of goal aren't great. But funnily enough, the monkey on his back seems to be limited to PL because his three goals against Brugge were the exact opposite, just quick thinking and execution (and for that aspect, it doesn't really matter what the level of opposition is, it's split second stuff). I thought the one where Herrera put him through and he tried the chip wasn't actually a dreadful decision, the angle for a left footed shot wasn't great (even though he could've tried it), and the ship wasn't necessarily a poor decision, the execution was just missed. The other two though were chances he realistically should've put away and where his slow reactions were the problem.
How much more we should wait for him though?
Oh I'm not suggesting anything myself, it's not a decision for me to make but for the management - and the impression I'm getting is that they're willing to wait. I just wanted to post my impressions on his performance yesterday and what I felt was wrong as I feel there's a huge overreaction to his game on here, but I'm used to it anyway.
My feeling is that he'll probably need a reference game to start firing again, just some clean neat goals that will dust off the cobwebs and get it all rolling again. I thought maybe the Brugge game would work a treat, as they were real striker goals, but I guess he's feeling the pressure more in the PL.
The only difference Rooney being moved to the number 10 position would bring would be him being fecking rubbish in a slightly different area of the pitch.
He needs to be dropped. He needs to be sold really but that isn't happening anytime soon so just dropping him will do for now.
He needs to be dropped. He needs to be sold really but that isn't happening anytime soon so just dropping him will do for now.
Say I don't disagree, why does he spend so much time away from the opposition centre backs/full backs? His job is to occupy them and push towards their own goal - he continually ends up on the half way line. Whether he's scoring or not, the team will not succeed until he starts doing what he should be.
PS. All the so called pundits in the media defending him does my fecking box in. I remember Rvp lambasted by the media for fewest touches in game at emirates last season/season before.....no mention of that when it comes to Rooney. It's everybody else's fault.
I don't think he does to be honest, and definitely not yesterday.
As for the media part, I don't watch English TV or read the papers, so I'm not really affected by that.
He was less coming near the middle or out of the box for the ball but still too much. He should have played like vs Brugge, occupy positions in which striker should be, not constantly drift around and ask for the ball. You have wingers and midfielders behind you, wait for the right ball.
Rooney had 39 touched against Swansea. RvP got stick after a game where he touched the ball 12 times.
I wasn't meaning touches for Rooney in this way - bad example. I was more meaning performance in general.
Watch each of the games again from this season and watch where he ends up everytime we have the ball. You may be right that yesterday was in fact an improvement but its a mile off what we need from a No.9 with this system.
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