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41
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15
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Sam said:
Evidently, not much.

Probably his finishing, but the lack of everything else means he doesn't get many chances.
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That's precisely the problem. If you lack physical presence, lose every 50-50, make nothing of the times you get in behind, have an inconsistent first touch and waste the times for a shot or at least an opening, then you'll struggle to score that many.

He needs to improve himself on the whole if he wants to score 20 league goals.
 
I keep hearing the argument for him being that hes not being provided service. He had probably 3 good chances and a half chance. His first chance he decides to try cut back and loses the ball. The second he takes too long and ends up trying one of his famous underhit chips. the half chance he cleared it like a defender. The third chance he is too scared to take it with his left and ends up not shooting at all and asking for a penalty.

And keep in mind this is after he got a hattrick midweek so it shouldnt really be a confidence thing.

No competition is the worst thing for a competitor.

but the worst thing is when he lost the ball and darmian was out of position, years back he would have at least dropped back to help, but he just stood there with his hands on his head.

The best thing he did today was missing the ball completely when Shaw put in a cross which meant Mata could score :lol:
 
Sylar said:
I keep hearing the argument for him being that hes not being provided service. He had probably 3 good chances and a half chance. His first chance he decides to try cut back and loses the ball. The second he takes too long and ends up trying one of his famous underhit chips. the half chance he cleared it like a defender. The third chance he is too scared to take it with his left and ends up not shooting at all and asking for a penalty.

And keep in mind this is after he got a hattrick midweek so it shouldnt really be a confidence thing.

No competition is the worst thing for a competitor.

but the worst thing is when he lost the ball and darmian was out of position, years back he would have at least dropped back to help, but he just stood there with his hands on his head.

The best thing he did today was missing the ball completely when Shaw put in a cross which meant Mata could score :lol:
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This one genuinely made me laugh, I really couldn't figure out what he attempted to do.
 
Teams Rooney wouldn't get into...

City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs, Everton, West Ham, Swansea, Southampton, West Brom

And yet, he's the man we're relying on scoring at least 20 league goals this season. He's so evidently past it. He has nothing to his game anymore apart from a few cute little passes here and there, and those long diagonal balls.

I'd laugh if it wasn't so sad. Moyes really fecked us over big time with this one.
 
Imagine Rooney in 2019. He is going to be a comedy gold for opposition fans if he still starts for us. If not already in 2016.

Gomis was today two classes above Rooney.

Is Rooney a better striker than Gomis? A genuine question.
 
Amar__ said:
Well done, I thought I'll never see this.

Just few more of his hardcore blind fans to go. :p
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Nothing to do with blindness, or i'd still be saying there's nothing to worry about even now. It's more that two years ago he was being called 'past it' as well, when he decidedly wasn't.

And again, i'm still not 100% sure he is finished at the elite level. He might be, but there's plenty of games ahead of us yet.

If he is, some will undoubtedly claim vindication. But that'd be like me waking up every morning and going 'I bet you the Queen dies today'. One day, she will, but that doesn't mean i'd then have a right to go 'See? Called it!'.
 
Treble said:
Imagine Rooney in 2019. He is going to be a comedy gold for opposition fans if he still starts for us. If not already in 2016.

Gomis was today two classes above Rooney.

Is Rooney a better striker than Gomis? A genuine question.
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He's our Gerrard.

An no, he's not. Just like he's not better then Bony, Benteke, Giroud....yet I got laughed at the last time I suggested that.
 
Minimalist said:
Bit difficult to draw many conclusions from this.

It's obviously fantastic that Rooney has got his finishing back. Nobody should underestimate how good that is.

However, I'll be very interested to see what he's like against another PL side next time. Brugge are a bit pants and Rooney has a lot more space than most games.
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Well today was the answer. Bugger all.

Not as bothered as I thought I would be about the actual result though. Just confirms what we already know.
 
prarek said:
Looks like he's short of confidence atm.
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Why though?

He scored a hat-trick midweek. All first time finishes too.

Rooney goes from showing absolutely no hesitation in a crucial Champions League tie, to being unable to get shots away from good positions against Swansea.

Is Rooney's confidence so up and down that messing up those first half chances, that Shaw and Herrera laid on for him, meant he couldn't smash it first time when one on one late on? That's ridiculous.
 
Sir A1ex said:
We don't really have any option!

Anyway, back on topic: Feck off Rooney, I don't know what's wrong with you but I don't want to wait around to find out. We need anther striker in the next two days.
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:lol: Indeed. That's what I meant. We need a signing or even two and fast.
 
NessunDorma said:
Nothing to do with blindness, or i'd still be saying there's nothing to worry about even now. It's more that two years ago he was being called 'past it' as well, when he decidedly wasn't.

And again, i'm still not 100% sure he is finished at the elite level. He might be, but there's plenty of games ahead of us yet.

If he is, some will undoubtedly claim vindication. But that'd be like me waking up every morning and going 'I bet you the Queen dies today'. One day, she will, but that doesn't mean i'd then have a right to go 'See? Called it!'.
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Well, if 2011 remains his last great year as a forward, then he's been declining for years. He was very good in the fist half of 13/14 but average in the second half. He was average last season too. He was average 12/13 as well. When was the last time when he was consistently good for at least 4-5 months?
 
hp88 said:
Taking away the captaincy and buying a striker who can actually compete against him sounds like a drastic move but it will have to be done at some point, impossible to this now as the season has started but I think were in for big changes in the summer.
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That's pretty depressing.

Though LVG did sell his captain at Bayern mid way through the season, so he's not afraid of drastic moves.
 
kps88 said:
That's pretty depressing.

Though LVG did sell his captain at Bayern mid way through the season, so he's not afraid of drastic moves.
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Rooney's going nowhere. Huge deal till 2019. He's sorted for a good while.
 
Treble said:
Well, if 2011 remains his last great year as a forward, then he's been declining for years. He was very good in the fist half of 13/14 but average in the second half. He was average last season too. He was average 12/13 as well. When was the last time when he was consstently good for at least 4-5 months?
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But context matters. 2013/14 was a terrible season for pretty much everyone, but Rooney still managed 19 goals and 18 assists in all competitions. 2014/15 saw him score some great goals in some big games, but also spend a lot of time in midfield.

That's why I specifically referenced him having a run of games in his favoured position, and in a settled side. Because then there aren't really any 'Ifs, buts or maybes' to countenance.

Not looking promising at the moment, but we'll see.
 
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Last 20 matches:

Wayne Rooney - 10 goals
Diego Costa - 8 goals
Harry Kane - 8 goals

Obviously Rooney wasn't a striker for quite a few since 14 of those games are from last season for him.

He might be past it, he might not, I'm just saying let's wait and see.

Edit - The results could also be wrong but I worked them out using soccer base and only club matches, it comes up with the players match history, that is matches that player has played in.
 
Disappointing that he had another poor performance again today after his improvement on Wednesday. I thought his whole game picked up after his first goal and we saw more of his old self, so it's annoying that he's gone back to playing poorly again.

While he did great to get that hat-trick midweek, we were ultimately against weak opposition in a game where once he'd scored one, our passage through to the next stage was virtually guaranteed. Still an impressive hat-trick, but we need to see him stepping up and getting crucial goals; match winners and the like. He's our captain, and with the money he's on is supposed to be the teams key player. He just hasn't looked like that type of player for a good while, though.
 
Empire said:
Last 20 matches:

Wayne Rooney - 10 goals
Diego Costa - 8 goals
Harry Kane - 8 goals

Obviously Rooney wasn't a striker for quite a few since 14 of those games are from last season for him.

He might be past it, he might not, I'm just saying let's wait and see.

Edit - The results could also be wrong but I worked them out using soccer base and only club matches, it comes up with the players match history, that is matches that player has played in.
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If you're counting just league games:
Costa has 10 goals (1 in 4 this season, 9 in the last 16 last season)
Kane has 13 goals (0 in 4 this season, 13 in the last 16 last season)
Rooney has 4 goals (0 in 4 this season, 4 in 16 last season)

If you're going for all competitions:
Costa has 5 in the last 20 (1 in the league this season, 4 in the league last season)
Kane has 8 in the last 20 (8 in the league last season)
Rooney has 8 in the last 20 (3 vs Brugge, 4 in the league last season, 1 v Arsenal in the FA Cup)
 
Complete garbage yet again. Brugge wouldn't even be a mid table PL team and they set out to attack but he can't fool anyone for more than the odd game, completely past it.
 
Rooney the striker is finished.
He just doesn't have the pace and positional discipline to play the role.

I'd happily see him slot back into the #10 role.
Honestly, at this moment in his career, I would look at making him more of a squad player, or off loading him, but the contract length and wages are gonna make that impossible
 
Sam said:
He's our Gerrard.

An no, he's not. Just like he's not better then Bony, Benteke, Giroud....yet I got laughed at the last time I suggested that.
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Right now, he is among the worst strikers. Even the joke that Eder is, managed to hold the ball up more impressively.
 
Raw said:
I'd rather not. We just can't keep shoving Rooney into all these positions because he's going to be shit in every one of them.
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When we had to do that with Kagawa apart from 1 or 2 realised it just was the player. Not the manager, not the position. It just was the player that wasn't good enough. WIth Rooney who is even worse atm ppl try to find all sorts of excuses. Really strange.
 
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kouroux said:
Right now, he is among the worst strikers. Even the joke that Eder is, managed to hold the ball up more impressively.
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Absolutely.

I listed a few clubs earlier that he wouldn't start for. Including teams like West Ham and West Brom. And not one single person has questioned it.
 
Bottom line: He's talked a bloody good game. He's demanded being the main man and he's our best earner after agitating for a move/a payday twice. He's supposed to be our go to guy, our captain, our star man.

And he's quite possibly our poorest first XI player.

That's a huge fecking problem.
 
One thing has to be said....his agent has done an incredible job.

He's the true genius in all of this.
 
Sir Alex was right wanting to sell when his stock was high. The lad has been a shadow of his former self. He seems to have lost power, pace and he's even lost his acclaimed fighting spirit judging from his showings so far.
 
Sam said:
One thing has to be said....his agent has done an incredible job.

He's the true genius in all of this.
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Agreed completely. Wonder if Mr Stretford wants to take me on as a client and get me a pay rise?
 
Even if we do get another striker I fear LvG will play him in place of Herrera and Mata.
 
marjen said:
Bottom line: He's talked a bloody good game. He's demanded being the main man and he's our best earner after agitating for a move/a payday twice. He's supposed to be our go to guy, our captain, our star man.

And he's quite possibly our poorest first XI player.

That's a huge fecking problem.
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All of this. Short of going to Carrington and protesting I'm afraid we're stuck because the club/LVG are kissing his arse. Can't believe we've gotten into this situation:rolleyes:
 
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