Things looking suddenly a bit worrying with Rooney now. 2 games in and has done feck all.
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Indeed.
He should be back at Everton as soon as possible for the benefit of everyone involved.
I'm not seeing how that benefits him. He'd have to cut most of his wages.
For those who think LVG won't do anything because he's captain, he had no problems selling Van Bommel half way through a season despite making him captain.
Football365: Rooney is teh Rubbish, just like Steve said back in 2011; but would people listen? Nooooo. The smelly Twits...*
http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9950171/F365-Says
*Might not be actual article title.
http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9950171/F365-Says
*Might not be actual article title.
Other players aren't the club's highest paid players, the most experienced attacker at the club nor do they have an airtight guarantee to be first choice no matter what and they do not get 'angry and confused' when they are not treated like the club's crown prince. Basically Rooney has to justify his contract and the status we've given to him at the club on the pitch. The way he has gotten about getting his contracts over the last five years means he has lost the leeway we could give players like Scholes, Neville and Rio. If his standards drop ( which appears to be the case albeit a bit premature now) we dump him, isn't it how a club with 'ambition' ought to behave?
Yeah, the 'captaincy issue' isn't one of the bigger problems when it comes to dropping/selling him.
Why on earth don't people like Rooney in the 'hole' behind the striker? Always been best there IMHO.
Rooney/Mata should fight it out.
Rooney/Mata should fight it out.
I think his most consistent performances have come when out wide, and serving as a bit of a workhorse for Ronaldo. Similar to Di Maria in that sense.
Good shout.
I remember when he was wide on the left that season (when we won the CL in 2008) - he was immense then - and it was working for the team. Why we (fans, media and now it seems the management too) have this fantasy of playing him some position where, according to the cold stats, he's average at best, is beyond me. Greater good for the team please...
What? The club hasn't dumped him and it's absolutley not the way the club has to behave nor has the club behaved like that!
Read some comments that are trying to soften the blow on his performance, dont bother. Like:
- Rooney had a bad performance but what about others? (Hererra/Depay/Etc)
Other players aren't our captain, other players aren't on the same wages as messi/ronaldo etc. Other players WILL NOT play next game if they're that bad. If he gets more criticism, it's only because he has higher expectations and deservedly so.
- Where was the service?
Biggest load of sh*t I've heard if you watched the game. The service behind the back lines never existed because he never made any runs behind. And the times where he got the service with a chance to turn/run, he buggered it up.
- He'll come good.
I hope he does but if these performances continue, he needs a kick up the arse and a good sitting down on the bench.
Every part of his game against Spurs lacked any edge. The game against Villa you'll struggle to find something he did well, or did.
- Rooney had a bad performance but what about others? (Hererra/Depay/Etc)
Other players aren't our captain, other players aren't on the same wages as messi/ronaldo etc. Other players WILL NOT play next game if they're that bad. If he gets more criticism, it's only because he has higher expectations and deservedly so.
- Where was the service?
Biggest load of sh*t I've heard if you watched the game. The service behind the back lines never existed because he never made any runs behind. And the times where he got the service with a chance to turn/run, he buggered it up.
- He'll come good.
I hope he does but if these performances continue, he needs a kick up the arse and a good sitting down on the bench.
Every part of his game against Spurs lacked any edge. The game against Villa you'll struggle to find something he did well, or did.
He's not even trying anymore. Terrible performance, if Hernandez isn't getting any minutes with Rooney in that form he might aswell just leave. Worst performance by any united player for a long time.
We have not dumped him but his behavior during 2010 allows us to treat him in a shite way when his performances no longer warrant the status and wage he demanded. We could do what we did to Robin and few around here could have any qualms about it - to me he is just an employee who you cast aside when he consistently fails to deliver or justify his purpose. But then, like I said, I am not yet convinced that the time has come.
True that. I doubt these people even watched the match at all.
I'm not using his wage as a stick to beat him but his all around game was just terrible. misplaced passes, horrible first touch, always at the wrong place, he slowed us down every time he touched the ball. It's not about the lack of service anymore.
Other players were bad but nowhere near Rooney level bad last night. As our captain and main man, Rooney seriously need to step up his game or else we'll be in a lot f trouble.
This. He lost my respect a long time ago and unless he is performing as expected of his ridiculous contract, will definitely be the first person I criticise after such bad performances
Seriously, Lukaku could do a better job for us up top.
I remember us being linked with him during the summer and scoffing at the rumour. But now I think you're right.
Still, early days.
I don`t buy into this he is not trying shite , one thing Rooney always gives is effort and commitment . His drive and will to win have been a huge part of our success since he`s been at the club . It`s more that he is in shit form which is a problem cos to regain form Rooney has to play . He has done it throughout his career but in the past seemed to recover his form quicker . There is no middle ground with him really , he is either involved in everything and scoring fairly consistently or he is absolute dogshit . He`s had a funny couple of years really where he`s been played in several positions in a team in transition trying to take on board the philosophy and bed in new players but to say he is not trying is a bit weird , as he obviously is . Hopefully a couple of goals against Bruges to get him going next week .
Biggest concern is we don't actually have a viable alternative to play the lone striker role and there is no indication that we will be bringing anyone in either.
The thing with Rooney is that it used to be that even when he was playing badly he was a physical nuisance, he'd harass defenders and could protect the ball, now he looks short of energy and loses out on most of the shoulder to shoulder contests for the ball.
You ignored the most important parts of his post and focused on arguing a point he didn't make. Is that how desperate defending Rooney has gotten?
Quite simply he dragged the club through the mud while demanding to be treated like one of the best players in the world. Moyes caved and gave in to these ridiculous demands. Rooney has never once justified this wage hike nor his behaviour to get it. He put himself in a position to be judged more harshly than everyone else and has seemingly wilted under the pressure. He's been absolutely dire and seems to be getting worse.
The closest he's come to showing the predatory instinct and hunger we need was when he went after that contract while the club was temporarily weakened. He's seemingly now content to lumber around the pitch to the detriment of the team. He doesn't even seem to offer any leadership.
He ignored the most important parts of my posts too, as have a lot of the responses I have received in here.
He addressed your points about why other players aren't getting as harshly judged as Rooney. Other players have been dropped when they haven't played well, Rooney simply gets moved position while someone else takes the fall. That's part of why people are so frustrated with his awful performances, they have no negative effect on him. They only affect the team.
You can't give him service because his movement isn't good enough and he can't do anything with the ball when he gets it.
He reminded me of watching Dwight Yorke in 2001/02, when he'd get the odd game and do absolutely nothing. I've loved Rooney all his tenure here. Always thought he got a lot more stick than was justified at certain times, but there's no excuse for how lack luster his performances are. Unless, of course, he cant help it and he really is as past it as some on here think he is.
Tit for tat, he got undeserved praise at times. It goes both ways
He normally scores for fun vs Newcastle if I remember correctly, if he doesn't put in a top performance vs them I would be very worried. What's the media reaction to his performances so far?
Van Gaal is the type of manager who will drop a player regardless of their reputation. Let's hope he does it with Rooney. I'm a big Rooney fan, but he needs to realise his space in the team isn't a given anymore. Hopefully Pedro can offer him that competition.
He has said that he wants to play as striker..its not the fans demands..
Well for me, his best season (by a country mile,) was 2009-10, when he played up front on his own (if I remember correctly.) So I can understand why people want to see him playing there again. However, he just hasn't put in the performances. Unfortunately, I don't see him performing any better in the hole or out on the wing. Sadly, I think a great career is beginning it's inevitable wind-down.
None of last night changes that he is playing in his best position. He isn't a midfielder and he isn't a #10, and calls for the latter are forgetful of just how bland and predictable he is in that position. He can't roll a defender and break beyond the defensive lines the way Coutinho did for last week's winner against Stoke, or what Januzaj did to initiate our goalscoring move yesterday. He can't do that anymore.
Rooney is a striker. He's a brilliant, brilliant finisher and he will score goals this season. The rest of his game has been largely poor for years now so the sudden surprise at what we seen last night is bemusing. Albeit I accept that last night was particularly woeful.
He won't be that bad ever again. He can't be...
Rooney is a striker. He's a brilliant, brilliant finisher and he will score goals this season. The rest of his game has been largely poor for years now so the sudden surprise at what we seen last night is bemusing. Albeit I accept that last night was particularly woeful.
He won't be that bad ever again. He can't be...
Didn't have the chance to see the match live, but just saw it.
By the gods, was he bad. Fair enough, he is our captain and a club legend, but these kinds of performances are just unacceptable for a PL striker, not to mention for the "star player" of a team aspiring to win the league.
He should be dropped, not only because of his dire form, but also because of the signals it sends to the rest of the squad. If he plays next match LVG basically says "The rest of you lot have to perform to start, except Rooney, he can play as shite as possible and still get games"
By the gods, was he bad. Fair enough, he is our captain and a club legend, but these kinds of performances are just unacceptable for a PL striker, not to mention for the "star player" of a team aspiring to win the league.
He should be dropped, not only because of his dire form, but also because of the signals it sends to the rest of the squad. If he plays next match LVG basically says "The rest of you lot have to perform to start, except Rooney, he can play as shite as possible and still get games"
What has the position he is playing got to do with his shit touch and overall game?
Rooney gets an amazingly easy ride from the Pundits too. Al I heard yesterday was, we need to sign another striker to take the burden off Rooney. Burden? He s the captain of the team, probably in the top 10 of the highest paid footballers in the world and its a burden to expect him to be our main man?
Or the message could be: as a manager, I have faith in my players, and unlike some fans, I won't turn on them after a handful of bad games.
Don't get me wrong: I think Rooney is on the downside, but he's no stranger to slumps in form (which are often followed by extreme upticks in form,) so it's hardly surprising that LVG would persist with him, particularly when we don't exactly have a like-for-like replacement (I wouldn't mind seeing Hernandez get a run, but it's hardly controversial to field even an off-form Rooney over Hernandez.) Once this season is finished, I imagine a ruthless appraisal of Rooney's worth will be carried out. Until then, I'd expect to see him start the majority of games, and end up with 15-20 goals.
Rooney being great at no. 10 position has become a bit of a myth now. He does not have the pace and dribbling to drive the attack from there anymore. His passing is above average at best for what you require from your normal number 10.
The only reason why he looks better as a number 10 is because that allows him to have a free role, where he can go about chasing the ball. As a number 9, he seems lacks the positioning discipline to hold the line and stretch the play.
As it is now when he is played as number 10, half the posters start saying that he should play as a pure forward since he banged in so many goals playing up top 3-4 years ago. When he plays as number 9, the other half say put him behind the striker and let him dictate the play.
The only reason why he looks better as a number 10 is because that allows him to have a free role, where he can go about chasing the ball. As a number 9, he seems lacks the positioning discipline to hold the line and stretch the play.
As it is now when he is played as number 10, half the posters start saying that he should play as a pure forward since he banged in so many goals playing up top 3-4 years ago. When he plays as number 9, the other half say put him behind the striker and let him dictate the play.
There's a lot of assumption and revisionism in this post. Rooney has been a fantastic player for us. He's moved around the field and played just about everywhere in the last 5 years. Even in defensive midfield. So to say that 'the rest of his game has been largely poor' is very wide of the mark in my opinion, and defies the evidence on display.
For me, Rooney has exceptional game intelligence. It's what has allowed him to play as a 6, 8, 10, 9 and 11 over recent years. Because of his profile, salary etc, people are so quick to jump on his poor performances but I think it's very unfair. Yes, he was terrible yesterday. But, unlike you, I don't think this is because he can't roll a defender, beat a man, or lacks already game qualities; I think it's because he is yet again adjusting to a new position. A position in which he is on the fringes of the game. Something he finds more difficult because he's always liked to be heavily involved in the build up.
Rooney still had a lot of pace, and exceptional all round qualities. He deserves a run up front and I believe that LVG is the right man to coach him through this transition.
There has to be some consistency. Dropping him might seem like the easy and logical approach, but you can also destroy his confidence. I think he deserves more than two games to adjust to his new role. I am confident he will come good.
You've definitely got a point. Rooney's at his best as a number 10 when his overall game is superb, but it's his overall game which is largely very poor and disappointing at the moment. The main contribution he can give in that role is his workrate, but when he's on form he can offer a lot more behind the striker: his drive, long passing, control etc. He's not really got that at the moment, which is why he'll probably work better as an out and out striker where he can hopefully still score goals.
People will often want to drop him back because he can occasionally become a bit isolated from the play when he's a number 9, since he typically likes to be involved, but at the moment he's not offering too much when he's heavily involved because his overall game is obviously lacking.
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