Yup, and shifts the problem to the midfield. At this rate he's hazardous on the pitch. Whatever position he plays
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Yup, and shifts the problem to the midfield. At this rate he's hazardous on the pitch. Whatever position he plays
So someone else takes the fall for the Captain's failure once again. Wasn't he saying he will score goals for us uptop throughout the summer? If he continues playing this Sunday League standard then Wilson/Chich get their chance and he sits out until he gets back to the standard we demand here, if he can't then axe him next summer. No point in shifting the problem to midfield and we've just spent a bucketload to ensure we never have to play him there again.
I'm confident he will score 20+ goals this season. Just give him time. Yeah he's lost his touch etc. Everyone knows Rooney needs a good run of games to be at his best. He's never been good at the start of a season. Eventually his touch will come back and he'll be banging them in.
Only if he takes our penalties and if we get about 5 or 6 he will reach that number.
Rooney will get better than this, the only way is up from that performance. Still, I think what will happen is he will succeed in the trick of lowering the bar/expectations to such a ridiculously low level, where any performance that falls into the bracket of 'average' will be praised as 'he had a good game, you haters this you haters that', when the fact is, it will probably still be far from good enough.
I've been saying this shit about Rooney for ages. It is no vendetta. I'm just saying it as I see. He's not my cousin, while I understand it takes forever for some to criticise a United player, I will if I see fit, at least to other United fans, not so much outside.
The making of excuses is tiring though. There is no legislation for basic football inability. The Rooney situation is clear as day. Television coverage of footy from the PL and beyond is so good now, there are more than enough very good footballers to easily see what a not very good one looks like. Such paragraphs of mitigation are not used in defending other 'top' players by the same football fans, and the same people name calling will be quick to say Cavani is rubbish, for example. I don't read the 'new league, he needs to play through the middle not wide, he can't play with Zlatan' or whatever other story his mother and the good folk from his Church would use in analysing a poor performance from him. And even still, he is a better striker than Wayne Rooney.
Rooney is too easy to defend against for your average PL centre half with a bit of pace and or strength. He has absolutely no tools that will make it uncomfortable for a defender
defender. He can finish but will not get enough opportunities to show it, due partly to us not being a buccaneering force, and the same reasons Jordan Rhodes is unlikely to be a top forward, despite being an excellent finisher.
Rooney is like a centre midfielder playing centre forward. What I would expect from Lampard upfront, so this even giving the benefit of the doubt that he will at least control the ball and pass. The issue is no incision to hurt defenders, even in games where he actually does do the basics of football right. After that, what else? No turn, no dribble, no pace. Just a Lampard who will play a pass out wide and finish a chance if it falls.
I've been saying this shit about Rooney for ages. It is no vendetta. I'm just saying it as I see. He's not my cousin, while I understand it takes forever for some to criticise a United player, I will if I see fit, at least to other United fans, not so much outside.
The making of excuses is tiring though. There is no legislation for basic football inability. The Rooney situation is clear as day. Television coverage of footy from the PL and beyond is so good now, there are more than enough very good footballers to easily see what a not very good one looks like. Such paragraphs of mitigation are not used in defending other 'top' players by the same football fans, and the same people name calling will be quick to say Cavani is rubbish, for example. I don't read the 'new league, he needs to play through the middle not wide, he can't play with Zlatan' or whatever other story his mother and the good folk from his Church would use in analysing a poor performance from him. And even still, he is a better striker than Wayne Rooney.
Rooney is too easy to defend against for your average PL centre half with a bit of pace and or strength. He has absolutely no tools that will make it uncomfortable for a defender
defender. He can finish but will not get enough opportunities to show it, due partly to us not being a buccaneering force, and the same reasons Jordan Rhodes is unlikely to be a top forward, despite being an excellent finisher.
Rooney is like a centre midfielder playing centre forward. What I would expect from Lampard upfront, so this even giving the benefit of the doubt that he will at least control the ball and pass. The issue is no incision to hurt defenders, even in games where he actually does do the basics of football right. After that, what else? No turn, no dribble, no pace. Just a Lampard who will play a pass out wide and finish a chance if it falls.
True that, didn't finish first sentence properly so sounds wrong. Meant to say won't judge him as finished player yet, since most of people here consider him past it. But being stoned as f... while writing did it's share, thanks for pointing that out 
Just noticed the Sun Dream Team gave him a rating of 7...
Ridiculous, I'm convinced these guys don't watch matches and just handout scores based on reputation.
Ridiculous, I'm convinced these guys don't watch matches and just handout scores based on reputation.
If Rooney is ever playing in midfield for us again then something has gone terribly, terribly wrong. He isn't a midfielder. Never has been and never will be. Surely that was settled last season in a position that emphasises just how sloppy and predictable his football now is.
Rooney made one good pass out wide to Memphis on Friday, that was all.
There is zero excuse for his atrocious performance and I'm baffled that the odd person is still defending it.
The Mirror gave him and Depay a 6 each. All they said about Depay was that he put a corner straight out of play. So I wouldn't take them serious at all.
Excellent post right here.
I've long been a critic of Wayne's but there's no mileage for a United fan in wanting him to fail, as that would be bloody ridiculous, self-defeating and pathetic; I just hope he recovers his form...
One thing puzzles me though: he still sprints about on occasion - so he's obviously fit - so why doesn't he use those bursts to make space & get off a shot? I'm honestly mystified by this. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable will offer a possible explanation beyond "he's lost it" or "it's the tactics, stupid."
One thing puzzles me though: he still sprints about on occasion - so he's obviously fit - so why doesn't he use those bursts to make space & get off a shot? I'm honestly mystified by this. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable will offer a possible explanation beyond "he's lost it" or "it's the tactics, stupid."
He isn't escaping any criticism (and rightly so), some people just don't share the same views as the majority in this thread.
he wouldn't get 7 for both games together.. some of site's ratings are simply ridiculous
Then so should at least five other players.
Bollocks. Not one player was as bad as Rooney, nevermind at least 5. Seriously I've read your posts and it just looks like you never even watched the match.
A 'few' players had bad performances, but Rooney has been by far the worst in his position.
If the British media start to actually realise that he is playing poorly it might snap him out of it. They are way too soft with him. He is probably too comfortable for a number of reasons, lack of scrutiny being one of them.
Bollocks to you too, I've read some of your posts also..There was a comment that started off with something like anyone saying this then don't bother, meaning you aren't willing to accept that some people will have a different opinion and we must take yours as gospel. Well I'm not having that.
He's the Captain of England and Manchester United. Despite the fact that should bring more scrutiny, in reality it makes him quite a powerful person as various journalists will buddy up to him to make sure they get their exclusives with him. This naturally means he gets favourable coverage. Don't expect journalists to be objective they only ever look for two things: job security and clicks.
It pisses me off to see him roaming around, trying to get involved and eventually breaking up the play. He needs to stay up front and drag defenders to create space for wide attackers. That’s the best contribution we can get from him on current form.
That's true, fair point.
Perhaps former players moreso than 'journalists' then. Of course ex-United players (especially those that played with him e.g. Neville) are not going to really criticise him either.
It's all too comfortable, they spend years building up relationships, they're not going to piss him off by doing something as trivial as giving him a 4 (still generous) in a dream team rating.
I dont think anyone here wants him to fail(i certainly hope so ) and we would all be happy to be proven wrong...but the evidence shows that is just more wishful thinking than any realistic expectation...he's just not as good as the caliber of striker we need to get back us to the top, both domestically and in Europe
He's getting the david moyes treatment, where the press will blame everyone else but him...thats why you cant take of the press seriously at all
There you go. Not 'anyone thinking this'. People trying to sugarcoat things rather than see them as they are. Trying to turn this on me by judging my character from 2 words 'dont bother' just shows more what your mindset is. I've yet to see someone actually defend his performances and bring a good point forward. So far it's been:
- other players played bad as well
(Just deflecting the situation away from him on to other players, he's our captain ffs, he sets the standards)
- hes a slow starter
(Probably the argument I'm hoping will prove just)
- not getting the service
(Completely laughable considering he was never in the position to receive the service, no runs made at all)
You can talk about me thinking my word is gospel, but the statements being put forward on here defending rooney are farts in the wind. Because the majority of the forum believe he has played awful, you just see it as a witch hunt and are keen to jump on the minority side to be different.
He's had a lot more than two games to adjust to this role - it's exactly the same position he played in for most of the second half of last season. He was generally crap there too with no goals in his last 6 appearances.
Exactly, and throughout pre season.
What to do with him is the question though? I think most would agree that he has been pretty crap for quite some time now. LvG surely sees this as well. Will be interesting to see what will happen. The thought of him leading our line for the rest of this season give me a bit of a headache, that's for sure.
I'm not sure it's only a matter of poor form. He looks physically done. Not fat or unfit. But he doesn't seem to have a lot of energy left.
I am not one of those who believes Rooney is past it but I think some of the excuses being made for his poor performance are laughable.
Let's not pretend that Rooney hasn't played up front for years. Rooney is England's first choice centre forward, every international break he plays as a central striker, and he has scored a lot of goals from that position in the Euro 2016 qualifiers. Rooney also finished last season as Van Gaal's first choice #9, was Moyes' preferred option as a centre forward and even Sir Alex gave him games up front until he started questioning his value in spring 2013.
Also, Rooney was given the ball a decent amount and could have had more chances had he not messed up so many moves. The service to Rooney was not that bad. Our passing was not brilliant, and did not really stabilise until Basti and Ander came on. Still, Rooney was played the ball to feet with just the Villa back line to beat several times. As Match of the Day highlighted last night, Rooney pretty much lost the ball on every single occasion. His touch was abysmal. Had attacks not broken down with him four or five times he might have been played in more. Pretty much every time Rooney messed up there was someone available to play a give and go with, most comically with Ander Herrera where the ball literally just bounced off Rooney's instep. Had those players received the ball Rooney would've been able to run off the shoulder into space and get it back. Although, given how he messed up Basti's ball over the top in stoppage time, he may well have screwed that up too.
There are no excuses for how Rooney played. If Hernandez had played like that, to a man, the CAF would be using it as an example of how he has terrible link up and shouldn't be playing. Rooney had a terrible game. Lets not sugar coat it.
The key thing is that Rooney, I think, will turn it around. We have seen this from him before. He goes through spells where nothing seems to come off for him, then he whacks in a wonder goal and regains his self-belief e.g. City (H) 2010/11, Hull (A) 2013/14. Rooney was dire on Friday night but he's not regressed to where he was in the autumn and winter of 2010 after the transfer request business. Wouldn't be surprised if he smashes one in from 20 yards on Tuesday night.
Let's not pretend that Rooney hasn't played up front for years. Rooney is England's first choice centre forward, every international break he plays as a central striker, and he has scored a lot of goals from that position in the Euro 2016 qualifiers. Rooney also finished last season as Van Gaal's first choice #9, was Moyes' preferred option as a centre forward and even Sir Alex gave him games up front until he started questioning his value in spring 2013.
Also, Rooney was given the ball a decent amount and could have had more chances had he not messed up so many moves. The service to Rooney was not that bad. Our passing was not brilliant, and did not really stabilise until Basti and Ander came on. Still, Rooney was played the ball to feet with just the Villa back line to beat several times. As Match of the Day highlighted last night, Rooney pretty much lost the ball on every single occasion. His touch was abysmal. Had attacks not broken down with him four or five times he might have been played in more. Pretty much every time Rooney messed up there was someone available to play a give and go with, most comically with Ander Herrera where the ball literally just bounced off Rooney's instep. Had those players received the ball Rooney would've been able to run off the shoulder into space and get it back. Although, given how he messed up Basti's ball over the top in stoppage time, he may well have screwed that up too.
There are no excuses for how Rooney played. If Hernandez had played like that, to a man, the CAF would be using it as an example of how he has terrible link up and shouldn't be playing. Rooney had a terrible game. Lets not sugar coat it.
The key thing is that Rooney, I think, will turn it around. We have seen this from him before. He goes through spells where nothing seems to come off for him, then he whacks in a wonder goal and regains his self-belief e.g. City (H) 2010/11, Hull (A) 2013/14. Rooney was dire on Friday night but he's not regressed to where he was in the autumn and winter of 2010 after the transfer request business. Wouldn't be surprised if he smashes one in from 20 yards on Tuesday night.
All you Rooney haters. Just think. Will van Gaal keep him or any player who does not contribute to the team?
He got rid of the most expensive player we bought after one season. Think of how much we would save in wages alone if we got rid of Rooney if he was crap.
The fact is Van Gaal does not have the players he wants in place...yet playing the system he has decided is the best.
If we went to 4-3-3 Rooney would very quickly be a lot more effective.
He had a poor game Friday. So did most of our other players except for our defenders. Says it all really.
He got rid of the most expensive player we bought after one season. Think of how much we would save in wages alone if we got rid of Rooney if he was crap.
The fact is Van Gaal does not have the players he wants in place...yet playing the system he has decided is the best.
If we went to 4-3-3 Rooney would very quickly be a lot more effective.
He had a poor game Friday. So did most of our other players except for our defenders. Says it all really.
Ah, so it's the formation to blame this time. Never the player playing poor no matter where we play him.
first answer the question. Do you think van Gaal will keep a player who he think does not contribute?
If anything, I think Rooney is a lot better in a 4-2-3-1 with someone helping him in behind rather then being too isolated. But he just had a bad game, no need to blame other things. Everything about his game was off and if he was on top form, we would have looked way better going forward. There were like 3 balls over the top from schweinsteiger in the last 20 minutes alone that he just ruined but if he was on form, he could have turned into a great chance.
He'll come good I think, but he needs to have a look at himself because that was woeful from him.
He doesn't even get subbed, so yes it seems Van Gaal will keep a player that's not contributing and people will continue making excuses for him. Formation, position, time of the match, he doesn't have Messi playing next to him. It's irrelevant anyway, we can't sell him as no one would be mad enough to throw away £250k a week on someone who can't control a football.
what I saw Friday was our midfield had no clue how to make that final lethal ball. We were quick getting up to the final ball. Then slowed down. It was like watching Valencia before last season.
Yes. Rooney had poor touches. But he made several passes that were not taken advantage of at all.
Yep, that's the key thing for me. Rooney always goes through extended periods of poor form but this is different to the rest because he's never looked this lethargic before. Everything he's doing is so feeble. The intensity's just not there any more.
From a footballing perspective the decision is pretty simple for me. Get rid of him and bring in someone who's a more natural fit for the role and is in better shape - neither of which are difficult.
From a financial/commercial perspective I suspect it's much more difficult. I can't remember what it was but when he signed his last contract there was something in there about Rooney having more commercial influence than any player in the club's history. I think Gill spent more time talking about his commercial value than his value on the pitch after that contract was signed in fact.
that is a ridiculous analysis.
van Gaal and the board will not keep a player that is not contributing.
and lets be clear. I support Manchester United...not Wayne Rooney. Its just that we have over the board shallow analysis from a number on here.
anyway..I hope whichever team van Gaal picks, play like United should. I dont want us turning into Chelsea.
go back and watch the match.
Nah, the vast majority of his passes were poorly hit and he didn't create anything really. His touch was off all night, and his runs were poor. I defend rooney almost always, but that was probably as bad as I've ever seen him. We were slow going forward as we always are, but Memphis looked way more dangerous with his runs, he just lacked the finish. Rooney just didn't even look like he'd get in a chance.
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