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I understand it perfectly, I was simply calling out the fact you are padding out the stats as some basis for a defense for a player who has been shit all season, constantly pointing to other players struggling does not make him better either. I also would suggest checking the Kane thread, the "one season wonder" stuff is back in play. As for Costa, I'd say Chelsea are a splintered unit in general but his hold up play is still good, which again pertains to the fact that using goals alone is not a good basis for an argument, which is what most are saying.
As far as him still having something to offer, I don't see what, certainly not as a starter. His first touch is awful and his passing is either backwards or sloppy, more of our attacks die at his feet than with any other player.
The last line suggests you are getting tetchy which is always weird on a message board, if LvG isn't just playing the standard PR game and actually still thinks he's a top player then I dread to think where Manchester United will be once he's done. Thankfully looking at how he dealt with RvP gives me hope that he sees it but right now he can't do anything about it, so he's keeping the water calm until the summer when he can offload the biggest piece of dead weight we have left.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree - although again, I don't think it'd be a major surprise if the club are looking for long term replacements. But i'm sure you'd love to be proven wrong and to see Rooney captain us to further successes, right?
Starting against City on Sunday.
Again with the attempt at being snide, I always want us to win so yes, I am hoping we win on Sunday. As far as the other part goes, I don't care about individual players, I care about United, so if Rooney suddenly starts performing like the Rooney of 5 years ago then yes, I'll be very happy.
Van Gaal on Rooney after the Everton game:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-uniteds-fantastic-wayne-rooney-6656229
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-uniteds-fantastic-wayne-rooney-6656229
His hold up play for the second goal was phenomenal.
There was a whole thread on it, another where 138 people also said he isn't a United legend. The potential all-time leading scorer not a club legend? Yeah, not personal at all.
Yeah, okay. That's correct if you choose to discount all the other games in which he's played and scored - which doesn't smack of an agenda at all.
12 games, 6 goals, at a 1 in 2 ratio. Could also say he has 6 in his last 8, and has scored in 3 of his last 5 games, including 2 of his last 3 in the league. So if anything, his goal scoring form shows signs of picking up after a poor first four games.
Not great, but not terrible either - unless you're determined to trash him.
His scoring ratio is terrible. 2 goals in 9 league games, one of which was actually being hit with the ball, for one of the focal points of Man Utd front line and a player who is supposed to lead us is terrible return.
He was better yesterday but there is still a long way to go. A performance like that from any other player wouldn't have been praised so much and if Depay played like that he would probably still get slaughtered, but because Rooney has got us used to very low level, we are now happy to accept that as a 'great performance'. It's good that he has finally found the net himself and that will hopefully give him some confidence, and some of his moves were encouraging but this is not a player that will lead us to success at the minute in this form and hopefully he carries on improving.
And this pulling out stats at every opportunity to somehow prove that he is better than everyone else because he has a 1.53739% higher completion rate and 0.74939 more forward passes at a 1 degree angle a game is getting tiresome. You won't convince anyone that he's somehow been as good as any other striker in the league and having a better record than Kane and Costa, both of whom have contributed next to nothing this season, is the least we should expect. Truthfully, given his role in the team and his wages we ought to expect him to be on Silva/Aguero level.
If he plays like yesterday for the rest of season I won't exactly cry myself to sleep that he is automatic starter because it should be sufficient. He should not drop anymore below that level though.
If he plays like yesterday for the rest of season I won't exactly cry myself to sleep that he is automatic starter because it should be sufficient. He should not drop anymore below that level though.
Failing to control the ball and giving away possession due to a poor first touch won't show up in the passing stats, whereas winning a header from a goal kick and failing to reach a teammate with it would. If those two things would've been factored in, I'm going to guess that Martial's passing stats would have a bit more context and Rooney's losses of possession would show up more.
And that's why you can't just cherry-pick one statistic and say "Ha, I told you so!"
I think the best we're going to get with Rooney from now on is performances like we saw yesterday. 6/10 displays, hopefully with a decent number of goals.
I'd still like to see us go and buy a top class striker in the Summer but after the start to the season Rooney made, I'll take 6/10 performances every week.
I'd still like to see us go and buy a top class striker in the Summer but after the start to the season Rooney made, I'll take 6/10 performances every week.
Wilson I feel is really going to step up next season.
Sufficient for what?
Tbh I've been critizing his performances since the start of the season (hard not to), but the game against Everton he played slightly above average. Nothing exceptional but he was decent.
Which like someone said, is about the top level we'll see from him now.
He does seem devoid of something nowadays though...
Which like someone said, is about the top level we'll see from him now.
He does seem devoid of something nowadays though...
Yup. Considering Rooney was dispossessed and had the most unsuccessful touches in the team with his 6 combined ones. Of course the more you try to dribble the more likely you are to lose the ball which is Rooney's issue. Martial had 7 successful dribbles last game and Rooney has made 7.2 successful dribbles this season all together in 8 games.
I don't think his passing has been bad or that he's lost the ball more than anybody else, it is just what it seems like as he has a tendency to misplace a pass for no reason what so ever in what seems like every game he plays and it bothers people.
Personally I don't really get him these days. I can't pin-point why he is playing? To score goals? No? Beautiful link up play? Not that either? Physical hold up play? Not even that? He's not even good defensively these days and Herrera completely outpressed him from the striker position and there were vasts quality difference in the way Herrera harried his opponents compared a jogging Rooney.
He makes the least damage when he's played upfront though.
Yesterday was at least a 7/10... More fair would probably be 7.5/10. Incredibly harsh to say 6/10. His all around game was good bar a 15 minute spell in the first half, he made runs in behind even if he looked a bit leggy, scored a goal, created a few chances and generally did well as the lone striker. That's the type of performance we should be expecting from a player with his reputation, and it's what he should be capable of consistently putting in, instead of being a stand out one. Hopefully he can keep up that level.
See, this is the problem. He is the captain, focal point of our attack and by a distance the highest earner at the club. Even against Everton he was well below the level we should be expecting from him but because he was so terrible previously, people think that this was somehow a performance worthy of a player of his status. It still wasn't.
I'm really glad Rooney always looked to try and run in behind their back 4 against Everton. Last week when receiving those kind of through balls, he would go out wide and look for a pass instead of trying to score himself.
The Rooney that turned up against Everton isn't his best form but still a very good player if he can show that week in week out.
The Rooney that turned up against Everton isn't his best form but still a very good player if he can show that week in week out.
Spot on, mate!
This forum seems to be full of people who are keen to criticize Rooney, no matter what!
If I had to explain his performance against Everton (which was better, not good enough though), I’d say the midfield trio and Martial on the left (who was a vast improvement on Memphis) created much more space for him and he had a little more time on the ball. It might be a false theory though.
Interesting thing, I think van Gaal rarely speaks about his performance in footballing sense, he would rather praise Rooney for his contribution in different aspects of the game, like his role of the captain and so. I don’t think he’s happy with him at all.
Interesting thing, I think van Gaal rarely speaks about his performance in footballing sense, he would rather praise Rooney for his contribution in different aspects of the game, like his role of the captain and so. I don’t think he’s happy with him at all.
I disagree. In the end it's a stat but you have to see the big picture. Martial was very dangerous and created a lot of chances, took risks. He went past players, was creative and also helped out a lot on the left side which means he had to clear the ball plenty of times, especially when Everton were pressing a bit.
Rooney on the other hand was a bit better than in recent games but you just expect much more from him as well. He's supposed to be our star player, but look at his performances over the last 2 year. Compared to the star players (and highest earners) at other top clubs, it's just not at the level it should be. He's living on past reputation and people are right to crizisize him! He's still not playing at the level his status and wages would say and LVG would be only right if he buys another striker to add extra pressure next summer.
Absolutely, he got his first away goal in the league in eleven months on Saturday, he's bang back in form now isn't he?
Unfortunately this is spot on. It seems most of us are resigned to him being a fixture in the team and are desperately looking for whatever little he can offer us at the moment.
Although tbf to Rooney, he did make a couple of threatening runs off the ball in the last game (the one where he laid it for Martial, the one where he scored and another which I can't really remember) and if the team can function more cohesively like it did against Everton, then perhaps he might at least be a decent goalscorer without messing up/contributing minimally to our build-up phase. It was rather disheartening to see him being shot of pace too, he had lost his explosiveness some time back but still retained semblances of his speed over long distances last season, but I'm really hoping that's due to him just returning from that ankle injury (although we haven't exactly seen it in earlier games this season).
Still think there are some decent finishes in him, although fluffing chances against Swansea and Newcastle was it? makes me question that, and if we can provide him with a fair amount of service, then we can expect a reasonable amount of goals and the least amount of damage from him.
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Eleven months. Eleven fecking months. There's no defending that from a player on his wages.
Judging by this photo and text, Wayne will be central to United for some time to come:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/oct/18/louis-van-gaal-manchester-united-everton
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/oct/18/louis-van-gaal-manchester-united-everton
His legs are gone. For his first goal he barely kept ahead of the defenders and then had another chance where jagielka caught up to him. Isn't Jags older...that lack of raw pace is his undoing it losses him precious few seconds to make decisions. We need someone with more pace who makes defenders back off a bit afraid of being turned. Which in turn creates space to make incisive passes, defenders don't fear that with him and can press right up to him. That ability of defenders to harrass him is probably a large factor in his performance issues.
Well I would say he is probably a better player now then Best was when he was 30 years old.
Tbh, a better keeper than Howard, and he wouldn't have scored. Howard was already on the floor diving the wrong way before Rooney had raised his tree trunk of a leg to shoot.
Average number of times per game Rooney loses the ball through an unsure touch: 1.5
Average number of times per game Martial loses the ball through an unsure touch: 1.6
(Depay 2.1, Herrera 1.4, King Carrick 0.3)
But of course there's no personal animosity involved in any of this, you understand. Oh no.
Oh come on - you have to agree that Rooney is a bit thicker boned/bigger than your average footballer.
Thought that was exactly what the caf was expert at - bringing out useless stats to suit their argument
I have only one thing to say:
Baaah!!
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That's nonsense, of course.
He's been poor enough in recent weeks to merit a lot of justified criticism. Really don't see the need to throw in completely made up criticism too. Weird the way people seem to take such relish in belittling a Manchester United player.
Sad.
It wasn't a great shot. He basically shot above Howard who I mentioned had already dived/gone to ground. Look at the goal here: http://www.footytube.com/video/everton-manchester-united-oct17-378185 (go to 8:02min).
It wasn't in the corner, it wasn't a chip, it was Howard diving too early.
Happy.
This sums it all up perfectly
I am a Rooney fan and a Martial fan and a Herrera fan and a Wilson fan and a Mata fan and a Rojo fan , shall I go on, find anything in common; oh yes they play for United, ever consider supporting the team and not be a fan boy just for one day with your own particular fanboy fancies
Tbh, the replays showed he basically shot at Howard who had gone down far too soon. Another similar situation was when Martial set him free with a wonderful pass and then Rooney could not muster even a decent shot on goal - a weak toe poke is all he could provide. He seems to have lost a lot of pace. Jagielka caught up with him quite easily and he is not the quickest.
Overall I was not that impressed by Rooney. Yes he was better than the last few games but that shows how poor he has been rather than how good he was this game. He kept mishitting passes, losing the ball regularly. If we had a firing LW, I would gladly see him get dropped to the bench with Martial taking his place.
It was a routine finish. The type of thing you see him do all the time. Sat the keeper down and clipped it over time. Certainly wasn't bad keeping. It was a good, composed finish.
Love the way people don't even let reality get in the way of Rooney criticism these days. Great stuff.
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