Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Invictus said:
Not a Rooney fan persoally but this seems sensible. The guy has copped disproportionate amounts of abuse throughout his career despite being a very good player in his own right. It's not his fault that the media branded him the "White Pele" and a bastion for his national team. The amount of pressure such expectations bring along is insane and TBF I can empathise with him. Having said that I'd much rather United jettison Rooney for the sake of team harmony and tactical balance but we must be thankful for what he's added to the club in terms of quality and decade long service despite the tantrums and ill-advised contract shenanigans.
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I would sympathize with him for the label he was given and the expectations people had if it wasn't for himself riding that wave to the fullest himself. His salaries have never been justified with the performance level he has had, but has rather been about the fact that his media exposure is larger than the common player of his skill. His way to look at himself as the teams super star, and not accepting others taking over that role and so forth.

I have a hard time feeling sorry for him at all in this regard.
 
united_99 said:
It can't always be an excuse, he still needs to show a good level even when out of position. Maybe not his best level then, but a good one still if he is a really good player.

Especially at international level, it's not unusual for players to play out of position. Iniesta for example has been playing on the left for Spain for ages to accomodate Xavi/Xabi Alonso/Busquets in the middle, but has still managed to be one of Spain's best performers in all those years, at times even THE best.
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It also can't be used for one and not the other. Wayne is often praised because of his versatility and ability to play in a number of positions. At the same time, when he has a poor game in a position that isn't his preferred one, the issue of being played out of position comes up in defense. I think you can and should expect reasonable quality and the absolute basics from him anywhere along our attack, which makes it all the more annoying when he can't deliver on that. He shouldn't lose the ability to make standard passes and retain possession just because he is being played on the left for a game.
 
I think he's a player who's born out of time: if he maintains his natural weight he's sometimes restricted in terms of technique & speed...and also, opponents can bypass him; if he slims down, I feel that he loses something from his game.
 
I'm a bit surprised by the reaction here. I watched the game yesterday and didn't think his performance was that bad. I actually thought Welbeck and him were among the better players on the pitch. The miss was pretty bad but you're not going to score them all and strikers have off days. RvP misses the occasional sitter, Cavani missed a great chance earlier in the day, and Sneijder fecked up a 1 on 1 the day before.

I think people who think it was a bad performance might be the same who think that Rooney is in the same bracket as Messi and Ronaldo and hence have very high expectations of him. He's almost 28 and he is not and will not be at that level so England fans especially have to accept him for what he is especially that he is still one of England's best players.
 
Hectic said:
Pretty much. Fergie had it exactly right with setting him up to be sold. I think we have a clearly better striker in Van Persie - who will remain at his top level and more effective longer than Wayne will - and better suited players in Mata/Kagawa for a role in behind. Not to say that's the end of him, as you say there will be periods and extended runs of form, but Wayne does not have the consistency to be first choice for either of those positions anymore versus the competition. Unpopular opinion maybe, but for me we just have more reliable players who don't have the same devastatingly poor bottom level as him.
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This will no doubt come as a complete shock but I couldn't agree more :)
 
RustyS said:
I think people who think it was a bad performance might be the same who think that Rooney is in the same bracket as Messi and Ronaldo and hence have very high expectations of him.
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:lol:

I don't think that is very likely.
 
Annahnomoss said:
I would sympathize with him for the label he was given and the expectations people had if it wasn't for himself riding that wave to the fullest himself. His salaries have never been justified with the performance level he has had, but has rather been about the fact that his media exposure is larger than the common player of his skill. His way to look at himself as the teams super star, and not accepting others taking over that role and so forth.

I have a hard time feeling sorry for him at all in this regard.
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Hmm that's a fair point chief. He has certainly benefited in more ways than one with that tag.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
Sorry but no, any world class forward in the area with no one actually between him and the goal should at least hit the target
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Really? Robin van Persie has missed plenty of golden chances for us in crucial games, no one makes a huge commotion of it.
 
Hectic said:
:lol:

I don't think that is very likely.
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Honestly I didn't read what everyone said but only if you have very high expectations of him you would think that yesterday's performance was as bad as it is being made out to be. I thought he performed close enough to his level but missed a good chance.
 
johnmufc said:
Really? Robin van Persie has missed plenty of golden chances for us in crucial games, no one makes a huge commotion of it.
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Actually I did, I was equally adamant last season that I'd quite happily sell Rooney and rvp, bring in someone new and high profile and keep Hernandez and welbeck
 
Annahnomoss said:
I would sympathize with him for the label he was given and the expectations people had if it wasn't for himself riding that wave to the fullest himself. His salaries have never been justified with the performance level he has had, but has rather been about the fact that his media exposure is larger than the common player of his skill. His way to look at himself as the teams super star, and not accepting others taking over that role and so forth.

I have a hard time feeling sorry for him at all in this regard.
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He's also spent the whole of this summer so far talking about how its his time to shine, and how its his world cup etc etc, while also posting videos showing just how hard he's working and how fit he is (as if that's some sort of massive achievement for a professional footballer that deserves praise, but thats another debate altogether). He's put himself on a pedestal, just like he has at United with his contract demands, his questioning of the club's ambition, kicking up a fuss when he wasn't the main man etc.

And when you put yourself on a pedestal, you have to deliver. Because if you don't, you'll get far more of a reaction then the others who have said and done nothing.
 
RustyS said:
Honestly I didn't read what everyone said but only if you have very high expectations of him you would think that yesterday's performance was as bad as it is being made out to be. I thought he performed close enough to his level but missed a good chance.
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It's going to be far closer to the opposite, as no-one thinks Wayne is on or near the level of Messi/Ronaldo, aside from perhaps John/wr8, but even that's doubtful.

I think the level of expectation is still high, higher than what he delivered, or maybe just higher when it comes to England as let's be honest, it's England.
 
Cina said:
Oh no, john and Hectic posting simultaneously in a thread. This can't end well.
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You're too late. He already banned me from the van Persie thread for stating that Rooney does not receive the same amount of praise as van Persie when he scores an exceptional goal. :(
 
johnmufc said:
Really? Robin van Persie has missed plenty of golden chances for us in crucial games, no one makes a huge commotion of it.
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You've been threadbanned from the Van Persie thread for trying to make it about Rooney vs Van Persie....if you do the same thing here but in reverse, I won't offer that explanation and the bans won't be reversed.
 
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Hectic said:
Pretty much. Fergie had it exactly right with setting him up to be sold. I think we have a clearly better striker in Van Persie - who will remain at his top level and more effective longer than Wayne will - and better suited players in Mata/Kagawa for a role in behind. Not to say that's the end of him, as you say there will be periods and extended runs of form, but Wayne does not have the consistency to be first choice for either of those positions anymore versus the competition. Unpopular opinion maybe, but for me we just have more reliable players who don't have the same devastatingly poor bottom level as him.
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And Wayne doesn't sadly have enough intelligence to re-invent himself as a footballer. Like how Giggs went from a crazy winger to a competent CM
 
Hectic said:
You've been threadbanned from the Van Persie thread for trying to make it about Rooney vs Van Persie....if you do the same thing here but in reverse, I won't offer that explanation and the bans won't be reversed.
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Sorry. I only posted that because he said that world-class strikers don't miss chances like the one Rooney missed last night. I will stop posting for now.
 
johnmufc said:
Sorry. I only posted that because he said that world-class strikers don't miss chances like the one Rooney missed last night. I will stop posting for now.
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To be fair I'll back you up on that one, it was a valid response to my post.
 
kouroux said:
And Wayne doesn't sadly have enough intelligence to re-invent himself as a footballer. Like how Giggs went from a crazy winger to a competent CM
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Given guidance by the right coach however, I think he could be moulded into another position. He has a great array of abilities to drop deeper(his passing range and energy) but I think his willingness is a far greater issue, whether he wants to change rather than his intelligence.
 
Mystry said:
Given guidance by the right coach however, I think he could be moulded into another position. He has a great array of abilities to drop deeper(his passing range and energy) but I think his willingness is a far greater issue, whether he wants to change rather than his intelligence.
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Hopefully you're right because it's easier to work on the player's willingness thanks to a good motivator than a player's intelligence.
 
James Redburn said:
Here's the original post lad:

"Other evertonians will lynch me for this but the best thing Rooney ever did for himself was join Utd he produces in a GOOD team but isn't a game changer if the team is cack. Even watching him on TV he'd score then wander around taking a breather which is fine at Utd surrounded by the Giggs, Scholes' of this world who can carry him. But for an average England outfit against the elite he just looks fecked."

I've emboldened the England bit because as mentioned earlier your sight seems obscured by the danglies. Alternatively your just a no account dullard absolutely full to the brim of shite.

You are a complete bluffer lad this thread runs to 824 pages, you'll find an even split pro and anti Rooney so don't come on here flat out bullshitting claiming things are clear when evidently they're not.

Time-wasting tit.
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Take a time out pal.
 
Rooney is quality obviously.

The problem is he only suits 1/2 formations. A direct 433 or 442 are where he does best.

From a United view, Mata, Kagawa are probably better suited to a 4231 formation. His best two seasons were arguably 09/10 and 11/12. Both seasons where we played a fairly basic 442 relying on in form wingers (lol remember them)

Rooney should be played at number 10 for England, wanting him to do a defensive job last night was stupid.
 
I'm 99% sure Rooney will retire from International duty after this World Cup and I don't blame him either.
 
Bunch of crazy drama queens defending Rooney in this thread like he's their son! :lol:

Anonymous performance generally despite the good cross for Sturridge. He'll be on the bench next season at United or he'll be sold at this rate. I just don't see where he fits into the first XI, even despite the teams lack of overall quality currently.
 
Pexbo said:
I'm 99% sure Rooney will retire from International duty after this World Cup and I don't blame him either.
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He won't be missed.....England lost because of him.


His performance last night was nothing to write home about and this has been the case in the previous World Cup editions. The excuses are wearing thin - let us admit once and for all Rooney is not good enough when it matters the most.

Yes, he played wide left but so did Welbeck. Welbeck performed very well but Rooney did nothing apart from the cross for Sturridge which was a straight decision any decent player would have made. I hope LvG makes a decent profit from him when we sell him to PSG or Monaco.
 
hp88 said:
He will be 30 at the next tournament, I think at age he will be concentrating on his club career.
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He's finished as a top footballer.......
What is left of him is just few sparks every once in a blue moon. A good player would have made that chance count - It was on his stronger foot and he had no excuses at all not to even hit the target.

Thank feck there was no Cleverley & Anderson to blame this term. The whole world can now see Rooney isn't as good as his fans think. Welbeck is a natural striker too but he still showed up when asked to play wide. The chance Rooney missed had nothing to do with his position.
 
Lawman said:
A few have but I agree with you in that he is up with the top players over the last decade. There has been no decline he has just not improved as much as everybody thought/hoped he would. He still a great player and I'd have him over Sturridge any day.
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I agree he's not Messi or Ronaldo but thats no disgrace.....Funny if world cups were the barometer of success, neither would at present be considered world class
 
Hannibal said:
He won't be missed.....England lost because of him.


His performance last night was nothing to write home about and this has been the case in the previous World Cup editions. The excuses are wearing thin - let us admit once and for all Rooney is not good enough when it matters the most.

Yes, he played wide left but so did Welbeck. Welbeck performed very well but Rooney did nothing apart from the cross for Sturridge which was a straight decision any decent player would have made. I hope LvG makes a decent profit from him when we sell him to PSG or Monaco.
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His cross to Sturridge was brilliant. I agree that England might be better off without him and that he's not worth playing out of position but lets be objective about it, he had a very good assist. I don't really see how "England lost because of him".
 
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