I wouldn't read too much into that, social media is just a forum for those with nothing of real substance to say to say it loud and often
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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There are enough idiots on here who think taking Rooney out will lead to England turning into World Champions.
There are enough idiots on here who think taking Rooney out will lead to England turning into World Champions.
I have watched nearly every competitive match for than the last 10 years. Highlight reels make everyone look good.
I have always stated that Rooney is a good player, despite being branded a hater. I simply state that he is over-rated and that the team should not be compromised so as to accommodate him.
None of his supporters talk about an exquisite first touch or his ability to dribble or pass his way out of a difficult situation. These are hallmarks of all great players. Rooney also does not make those around him better or inspires them. Sometimes its quite the contrary.
Rooney's standing in England makes him extremely marketable.
Our owners and the FA look at him as a cash cow and so he is favoured but there is no way Rooney is an all-time Utd great no matter what record his longevity allows him to achieve.
C'mon take those values in context. Goals/ game is a better indicator. How many of those players are strikers plus how many of them were blessed to play in the best team in England ( and thus high quality team-mates ) over the length of their career?
Longevity does not necessarily equate with greatness.
poor.
Our chances wouldn't have been better as Madrid would have eaten up any deficit on their shoulders with the Nani red card incident. Had Madrid needed to score 4 goals at Old Trafford on the night, they would have managed it after Nani was sent off. In other words, it was Nani's red card that swung the tie Madrid's way and not the chances RVP missed.
Rooney on the other hand missed a glorious chance on the night England lost - logic simply dictates the two scenarios are different but you are just looking at clutching at straws to score cheap brownie points. I cannot think of a season Rooney single handedly won us a league title like RVP, Ruud & Ronaldo have done in the past. Rooney has been a striker at Old Trafford for 10 seasons and there's no Premier League golden boot to show for it.
Wayne Rooney is a national embarrassment.
A national embarrassment? Christ.
Championed him in the newbies untill he showed his really thick true colours.
Reckon Scholes was right,develop your work effort listen to those that know him and the game,work in bursts in a deeper role that doesnt necessarily have to be a 10 role,maybe third in trio on the right.
Scholes said he has all the attributes to do tthis.I believe him.
Rooney can listen and adhere or do one.
Reckon Scholes was right,develop your work effort listen to those that know him and the game,work in bursts in a deeper role that doesnt necessarily have to be a 10 role,maybe third in trio on the right.
Scholes said he has all the attributes to do tthis.I believe him.
Rooney can listen and adhere or do one.
He's not the best player in any of the 3 positions he can play. He should be dropped. Players should be picked on form not reputation. That was a typical Rooney performance. He gets an assist or goal and you forget how badly he played througho6t the game..
Real logic dictates that if it were not for Rooney's goals and assists last year we would not have won the league even with RVP scoring record. So "single handedly"(sic) won as a title is more than a stretch. Also RVP miss cost us win in Madrid in exactly the same manner that Rooney's miss cost England a draw. It's really stupid to suggest otherwise.
But he is our third top scorer in history with 216 goals in 440 matches also the only PL player than recorded double digits in both goals and assists in 5 PL seasons. #United'sWorstPlyaer #England'sWorstPlayer #NationalEmbarrassment
Would have taken you the same effort in what you've just typed. Don't have a late night, don't forget to do your homework and pack your games kit for PE tomorrow....
It's pathetic isn't it. Really is.
Agree. No one has the monopoly on knowledge and are entitled to their opinion however in mine, if Rooney placed for another country, his identity would be clearer, and he'd play 9 or 10....
Your opinion. Also I was talking about him not being an all-time Utd great you, for the convenience of your argument, switched it to legend.
Achieving all-time top goalscorer would indeed be legendary but does not mean he is an all time great.
George Best, Cantona, keane , scholes are all-time greats. Rooney despite him possibly reaching that legendary landmark could not make an all-time squad.
Feck me, two of the hardest things to do in football and you make it sound like its irrelevant....I give up
Well, maybe yours.
A draw is one point
A loss is zero point
You are not really intelligent when it comes to logic, are you?
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After 10 full seasons at Old Trafford playing with some of the most talented footballers in the world, it's a disgrace Rooney hasn't scored more goals. He's been the chief set piece taker since Ronaldo left too. Why are you surprised he's scored that many goals at Old Trafford?
whats the difference?
you may not like it...but he is a legend and certainly among the all time great United players. When he retires he would have scored more goals than any of our players.
Just leave it at you do not like him.
EDIT: for the record Best is imo the greatest player that played for United.
that is just my opinion though.
National Embarrassment
A goal every other game sustained over the course of 10 years at the highest level when often played as second fiddle to someone else is a disgrace?
quicksand Hannibal says so.
Good one, you showed me
We will see if he plays ball in the new setup.
Something tells me he wont,suppose going by his previous back catalogue of arsery.
To many bitter anxiety strops to go down as legend as thing stand for me.
Pulls is socks p,sorts his head out,listens to those that know him better than hmself professionally and he could have me eating my words.
Well I totally agree with you about Best.whats the difference?
you may not like it...but he is a legend and certainly among the all time great United players. When he retires he would have scored more goals than any of our players.
Just leave it at you do not like him.
EDIT: for the record Best is imo the greatest player that played for United.
that is just my opinion though.
I just picked for myself a squad of the 23 greatest players that I have seen with the exception of Duncan Edwards. I added him by reputation only.
It was a normal squad with the requisite number of players for each position eg 3 goalkeepers. Guess what? No Rooney.
I suspect if you did the same you would find somewhere to squeeze him in. Maybe Right back.
That is a very interesting read.
If he is bad, then how come he is England's top scorer in qualification? I mean what do you prefer in attacking players. The one that actually assists and scores or the one that dribbles a lot, has a great fist touch etc, but does not deliver the goods?
Rooney is a good player precisely because he is involved in a lot of goals. That's what good players do.
How dare you even suggest Rooney is even remotely talented, there is a bandwagon and I'll be damned if I don't force you on it. Any other player in the England national team could score six own goals, break two of his own team mates' legs, head butt his wife and then get himself sent off and he still wouldn't be given half as much shit as Rooney receives. "National embarrassment" well I tell you what, that "National embarrassment" is the best damn player we've got, if anyone's gonna even give us half a chance in this bastard tournament it's him.
If he is bad, then how come he is England's top scorer in qualification?
That just a loser's interpretation, very poor. Rooney "cost" England's one point, by not securing a draw, while RVP "cost" MU effectively two points because we failed to win "because of him".
So all in all it's exactly the same.
So why did nobody else recorded 10+ assists and goals in a five PL seasons? Surely in more than 20 PL seasons many players would, if it is not exceptional. Also a ridiculous notion than anyone could score as many goals as Rooney. Where are these "anybodys" exactly? It's not like the team was built around Rooney much and when it was "some of the most talented footballers in the world" that were around him included Nani, Young, Valencia.
Well I totally agree with you about Best.
I just picked for myself a squad of the 23 greatest players that I have seen with the exception of Duncan Edwards. I added him by reputation only.
It was a normal squad with the requisite number of players for each position eg 3 goalkeepers. Guess what? No Rooney.
I suspect if you did the same you would find somewhere to squeeze him in. Maybe Right back.
In my all time top 11, Rooney would not be there. I think I too had Edwards in my selection. But that does not mean Rooney is not a legend. He makes Manchester United a stronger team. It will be interesting what van Gaal does. RVP and Rooney are not mutually exclusive imo. A lot to look forward to.
A lot of England supporters overestimate England's ability on the world stage. I mean seriously...dropping the best player England has produced in a generation will somehow make England stronger.....
The simple fact is England are no longer among the top tier European football nations...and it should not be a surprise us losing to the likes of Italy.
You are being wilfull. I keep saying all-time great. You keep saying legend.
I agree that England supporters over-estimate their nation's ability but I also put it to you that, in the same way, many of Rooney supporters over-estimate his ability.
Of course there is hyperbole on both sides of the argument. He is not a national embarrassment and few say that he is a bad player but, conversely, he is not as great as some say.
I am sure if we were to poll all of us on different discussions about the club the findings would be that we agree on most things.
Unfortunately we are highly polarized when it come to Rooney.
Some say he is great and always has been whilst others say he is over-rated and probably should be sold.
I think it is important that those of us who are more logical and objective in our thinking be more patient with those of you who are clearly wrong in giving Rooney such support.
I thank you.
I think a lot of United legends would not be in this 23. How exactly would you fit Law, Best, Ronaldo, Cantona there? And then there are likes of Ruud and others. There are also a lot of red legends in CB and CM area(esp if you put Charlton and Scholes both there). So it is not surprising that Rooney could miss out. Especially considering that he was playing in a number of different roles for United to suit and help the team. So he never really had a single role over 4-5 season to make his mark on this position.Well I totally agree with you about Best.
I just picked for myself a squad of the 23 greatest players that I have seen with the exception of Duncan Edwards. I added him by reputation only.
It was a normal squad with the requisite number of players for each position eg 3 goalkeepers. Guess what? No Rooney.
I suspect if you did the same you would find somewhere to squeeze him in. Maybe Right back.
He is not as versatile as he used to be. So their is no point playing him in a lesser role. Shift Sturrudge out wide and play Rooney as the striker in a false 9 4-3-3 system. If that does not work, just drop him.
Gerrad
Wilshere/Henderson - Sterling/Barkley
Rooney
Sturidge ---- Welbeck
Gerrad
Wilshere/Henderson - Sterling/Barkley
Rooney
Sturidge ---- Welbeck
Nonsense. You've as good as admitted that your intense focus on Rooney, and the criticism that comes with it, is driven by your personal dislike of him. You are blatantly letting your emotions cloud your judgement of his abilities, and that isn't logical at all.
If you put a "Captain" in there somewhere I could have sworn I was reading a random Spock quote.
The problem with looking at goals or assists is that they don't tell you how the team would perform without a certain player. Look at United with Van Nistelrooy. He scored tons, but eventually when we played without him and with Saha we simply became a better team, with more dimensions, allowing other players to chip in with goals. Sure, Rooney contributes in numbers, but I honestly believe he has a negative affect on the flow of play, both for United and England, when he doesn't play as a number 9. Better flow of play and new ideas may mean the team would create and score more - even if it didn't have Rooney's assists and goals.
You are being wilfull. I keep saying all-time great. You keep saying legend.
I agree that England supporters over-estimate their nation's ability but I also put it to you that, in the same way, many of Rooney supporters over-estimate his ability.
Of course there is hyperbole on both sides of the argument. He is not a national embarrassment and few say that he is a bad player but, conversely, he is not as great as some say.
I am sure if we were to poll all of us on different discussions about the club the findings would be that we agree on most things.
Unfortunately we are highly polarized when it come to Rooney.
Some say he is great and always has been whilst others say he is over-rated and probably should be sold.
I think it is important that those of us who are more logical and objective in our thinking be more patient with those of you who are clearly wrong in giving Rooney such support.
I thank you.
hmm. yes. I have seen enough of the 'logical and objective' posts from those that think Rooney needs to be dropped or he is the problem with England being crap.
you say you have seen the same players I have...yet you cannot see that Rooney is a great player. interesting.
When Rooney is fit, he simply should start for England. The problem is Hodgson playing him out of position. And as I said...England have been left behind by the best teams in Europe.
As far is United is concerned, when Rooney does not play it feels like we lost half the team....that's how important he is. There really is no question about the importance of Rooney to United and England.
Hold on. The smiley face is an indication of levity. The thing about logical and objective was a joke.
Anyway I freely admitted I notice things about Rooney but I apply that focus to all things. My criticism of him stems from him being over-rated, being overly rough on Nani and him being offered every excuse possible for below standard play. Its not about personal dislike.
Rooney was injured for quite some time for United. And our play did not seem to be even inch better without him last season or this one.
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