Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Standard Rooney. Far too clumsy to involve himself with the interplay between Sturridge, Sterling and Welbeck, slows down the tempo on far too many attacks, yet produces one fantastic moment of productivity that contributes towards goals.

He's a striker, an excellent one, either play him as one or don't.
 
Lane said:
Rooney did not have a great game and should have scored, yet he was one of our better players. He got a great assist, he also created more chances than anyone else in the team. I think he was on par with Sturridge and Sterling. Given that he played out of position for most of the match and was switched around the pitch that is okay.
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You think he was on par with Sterlings performance?, bar his final ball Sterling was a bundle of positive energy, Rooney looked lost for most the game.
 
Sampy93 said:
Sir Alex always spotted a player getting last it and acted quickly to replace him
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There were many examples when Fergie did not get it right. He kept Scholes even got him from retirement instead of playing Pogba. Tevez went one and had best years in City, while we got a very expensive Berbatov who never did convince enough. And so on.
 
Kag said:
Standard Rooney. Far too clumsy to involve himself with the interplay between Sturridge, Sterling and Welbeck, slows down the tempo on far too many attacks, yet produces one fantastic moment of productivity that contributes towards goals.

He's a striker, an excellent one, either play him as one or don't.
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I think, in one sentence, you've just summed it all up. Applies to both United and England too.
 
As i said before he should be sold this summer.

Why? He is not as good striker as he was, he as we seen today is useless on the wing (what was i thinking saying multiple times that he should be switched on the wing), he is not as good as number 10 as Mata or even Kagawa and he don't want to play in midfield.

He lost his pace and i think he lost his confidence. When was the last time we saw he going into dribling past 2 or 3 players. More i think about it more i agree with what Scholes had written about him.

I think under van Gaal he will be dropped quickly. I would love to be proven wrong because he was and still is my favorite player but i don't see it.
 
Regardless of the position he plays, his overall performance summarised my current opinion on Wayne Rooney.

He'll always chip in with a goal or set one up, but over the majority of 90 mins he can really disrupt the flow of play, he struggles to link up with the other attackers in dangerous areas, lacks the technical ability to pull something out of nothing and slows the game down too often.

As others have said he isn't terrible, but I think this World Cup will be a real eye-opener. I think in the present, in a system that appears to be set up to counter-attack, Wayne Rooney is no longer a go to guy.

I know a certain group of people don't like to read this kind of thing but this isn't an opinion I've cooked up today. Been saying it since the Moyes regime really went to shit.
 
alastair said:
He's fine when you're building a side to play to his strengths, but we're not. We've clearly decided Sturridge is our best striker and he should play in that position. Then we shoehorn Rooney into the side somewhere else, and it doesn't work.

I'm not saying he's talentless, but what's amazing about his decline is how the all round game has evaporated for both United and England. When you watch Sterling, Sturridge and Welbeck pass and move, you realise how it's now a world away from the game Rooney plays.

Rooney has the ability to contribute. He's still a good finisher. When you look at the way the other forward players are attempting to play though, he's incongruous with that.
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I don't agree with most of that. Firstly I think Sturridge might be England's most effective striker, down to the pace he has, which Rooney lacks, and which is important at this level. He doesn't have the all round ability or vision that Rooney has.

Secondly his all round game is fine. The main issue is, and has been for quite a while, physical condition, a woeful lack of concentration at times and consistency. He played really well overall in a struggling side for quite a bit of last season. And I bet he'll do the same for us next season in what will hopefully a better side. Long term I'm not so sure, as physically who knows how long he'll be able to keep the wolf from the door.

But yeah, in terms of what England are trying to do (and who knows, perhaps us next season as well) he does appear to have been squeezed out a bit in favour of Sturridge (and RvP at United). I don't have any difficulty with that. He's not a top, top class player, but if he was put in that side instead of Sturridge I have no doubts he's capable of scoring lots of goals for England. He's still a very good player who would, for example, get in almost every PL side.
 
Oh, and I can't actually describe how much I hate that ghastly floated ball out to the right wing. It isn't impressive, no matter how aesthetically pleasing it may look.
 
alastair said:
I hate making incredibly simplistic comments but he really just isn't very good any more. He doesn't link up well with anyone and while clearly he's got talent and he's not a useless footballer, it's becoming harder and harder to justify picking someone who just never turns up in the World Cup and actively seems to hinder the team.
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Fergie was right when he wanted him gone. Now we're saddled with him for years and Rooney vs LVG is a ticking time bomb.
 
Why didn't he take that freekick? It's one of his strengths, his freekick taking at important times in a game. I was actually hoping he'd score from it too, despite myself.
 
I'd take him out the firing line and use him as rotation for the striking role.

I would also be rotating him with the striking role at the club as well, rather than wasting his and our time playing him out wide.
 
BennyBlanco said:
You think he was on par with Sterlings performance?, bar his final ball Sterling was a bundle of positive energy, Rooney looked lost for most the game.
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I think when people refer to ambiguous terms like "positive energy" instead of real contributions it means, the guy did not have a great game, kind of decent, sort of good one only, but they like the player, so they just invent stuff.
That is what happens here imo. Sterling dribbled a lot, much more, but he also lost ball very often, his delivery was mostly poor, he did not create many chances, in fact just one. So i don't see how his performance was any better.
 
alastair said:
Absolutely disgusted by him. I was raging at him during the game.

He has no interest in the team whatsoever. Nicking the ball off Barkley, not helping Baines (who himself was awful) and just generally demonstrating a complete lack of desire and ability.

He's no longer England's best attacking player. He's no longer undroppable. Yet he stayed out there ahead of Welbeck who had a much better game. No manager ever seems to realise he's the problem.

He's out of form, he's out of shape, and for me, he should be out of the squad. An absolute disgrace.
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He covered more distance than anyone else on the pitch (according to the "official" stats I've got from the commentators on Belgium television). He set up a brilliant goal for Sturridge and could have scored the equaliser (which unfortunatley he missed). But no what an utterly disgraceful performance... HOW DARE YOU EVEN WRITE SUCH NONSENSE ?!

I'am not saying he played a fantastic game but he was more than decent, there is absolutley not a signle valid argument you could give that would proof he shows a lack of disre or that he doesn't care about the team. He had to fill in a position which is highly unnatural for him, wtf does your coach think putting Rooney on the left running after that back from Italy. He made a few mistakes exposing Baines, mainly in the first half hour, after that I think he was tidy and he ran his arse off, again, under these conditions, he ran more than anyone else on that pitch, defending that left side, helping out in attack and helping out in the midfield. But no he is absolutley useless, and the fact he covers more distance than anyone else must be a clear proof he's out of form and out of shape...How do you even come to such abolsute bullshit conclusions, did you even watch the same game as I did ? Or do you just think that when you see Rooney breathing heavily and wet from all the sweat that he is out of form, ever occured to you, that it is because he is working his arse off and is continuosly moving on the pitch :wenger:

I really don't get the hatred towards Rooney, few days ago a United fan called him a fat old scouse wanker for sensibly replying on the critique Scholes gave him in the media. Today he plays an ok game, far beter than I expected going from all the english media bullshit about him, commentators on my tv also saying they didn't expect him to play this well and that he clearly still had an important function for the team. I'am also sure nowhere in the world pundits are discussing what an awfull game Rooney had, except here in England. You guys hate him to an extent that I will never understand, I'am 100% certain almost any other country in the world (bare a few exceptions) would be happy to have a player like Rooney in their team and would treat him with much more respect.
 
Kag said:
Standard Rooney. Far too clumsy to involve himself with the interplay between Sturridge, Sterling and Welbeck, slows down the tempo on far too many attacks, yet produces one fantastic moment of productivity that contributes towards goals.

He's a striker, an excellent one, either play him as one or don't.
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Striker would not have as many assists as Rooney has in last two years. And yes, most of them are from open play, not set pieces as many tend to think.
 
Sammyjunn said:
I've had enough of this guy, how long has he not performed at big stages?
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True. All other England players in this team are making headlines at big stages, contributing to trophy wins. Also, at United, last season, every player put better efforts and played better than him :rolleyes:
 
Thought Shearer was very harsh on Rooney. He played out of position set the goal up producing the only piece of quality England had. Missed a good chance ok but was there to miss it. Gerrard walked most the match without the quality of Pirlo. Hart looked shaky and Baines nowhere near as Cole in his pomp.
 
heh, I thought England played quite well. Certainly an improvement on the Euros when they hardly touched the ball against Italy. They tired quite badly though.
 
Lane said:
Striker would not have as many assists as Rooney has in last two years. And yes, most of them are from open play, not set pieces as many tend to think.
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This has been covered for years. His assist statistics do not tell the full story in regards to his inability to truly perform at #10. He can play there and if you build around him he will produce, nobody can deny his exceptional productivity. But there's more to football than that, and the reality is, and has been as far back as that season he scored 27 goals, he ruins tempo and creates a picture of predictability. He's a great striker, his problem is that there remain better.
 
I would like to know which player would be so much beter than Rooney for england according to many on here, for him to be left out of the team...

I understand Sturridge playing striker, but for the love of god I don't get why Sterling plays central ? Clearly Rooney is a cpable number 10, he has the assists, goals and passing ability that goes with the role. Clearly Sterling is a phenomenal winger with blistering pace, why than for the love of god do let Rooney play on the left and Sterling central...that doesn't make any sense at all !
 
Kag said:
Standard Rooney. Far too clumsy to involve himself with the interplay between Sturridge, Sterling and Welbeck, slows down the tempo on far too many attacks, yet produces one fantastic moment of productivity that contributes towards goals.

He's a striker, an excellent one, either play him as one or don't.
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Agreed.
 
Brophs said:
I don't agree with most of that. Firstly I think Sturridge might be England's most effective striker, down to the pace he has, which Rooney lacks, and which is important at this level. He doesn't have the all round ability or vision that Rooney has.

Secondly his all round game is fine. The main issue is, and has been for quite a while, physical condition, a woeful lack of concentration at times and consistency. He played really well overall in a struggling side for quite a bit of last season. And I bet he'll do the same for us next season in what will hopefully a better side. Long term I'm not so sure, as physically who knows how long he'll be able to keep the wolf from the door.

But yeah, in terms of what England are trying to do (and who knows, perhaps us next season as well) he does appear to have been squeezed out a bit in favour of Sturridge (and RvP at United). I don't have any difficulty with that. He's not a top, top class player, but if he was put in that side instead of Sturridge I have no doubts he's capable of scoring lots of goals for England. He's still a very good player who would, for example, get in almost every PL side.
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The issue for United though is that you're right, he's not a top, top class player anymore. But he has a) the ego of a top, top player and b) the wages of a top, top player.

So what do we do? We're in a catch 22 now.
 
Sam said:
The issue for United though is that you're right, he's not a top, top class player anymore. But he has a) the ego of a top, top player and b) the wages of a top, top player.

So what do we do? We're in a catch 22 now.
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Explain this bit and how and when has it harmed us.
 
The Man Himself said:
True. All other England players in this team are making headlines at big stages, contributing to trophy wins. Also, at United, last season, every player put better efforts and played better than him :rolleyes:
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But you expect from player like him to turn things around and do something. And he failed it again, the kid like Sterling who is unknown for people who don't watch premier league was 100 times better than him. You don't expect from Jagielka that he will turn the game around.
 
Sam said:
The issue for United though is that you're right, he's not a top, top class player anymore. But he has a) the ego of a top, top player and b) the wages of a top, top player.

So what do we do? We're in a catch 22 now.
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Moving Rooney on wouldn't be difficult. He's not going to sit on the bench.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
I would like to know which player would be so much beter than Rooney for england according to many on here, for him to be left out of the team...

I understand Sturridge playing striker, but for the love of god I don't get why Sterling plays central ? Clearly Rooney is a cpable number 10, he has the assists, goals and passing ability that goes with the role. Clearly Sterling is a phenomenal winger with blistering pace, why than for the love of god do let Rooney play on the left and Sterling central...that doesn't make any sense at all !
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Who knows why Roy played Sterling central but I don't like seeing Rooney playing no.10 for us nor England, I would state my reasons but frankly can't be bothered as Kag somewhat summed it up, he should be competing for Sturidge for the no.9, failing that I'd rather see him on the bench, it's far too late to try this world cup, but Ross Barkley looks a decent shout as the next England no.10 for the forseeable future for example.
I'm curious to see what LvG will do with Rooney and where he ends up playing, perhaps he can get more of Rooney as a no.10, or perhaps LvG will see the same issues, look past his reputation and drop him.
 
Kag said:
This has been covered for years. His assist statistics do not tell the full story in regards to his inability to truly perform at #10. He can play there and if you build around him he will produce, nobody can deny his exceptional productivity. But there's more to football than that, and the reality is, and has been as far back as that season he scored 27 goals, he ruins tempo and creates a picture of predictability. He's a great striker, his problem is that there remain better.
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Well i did not see any reasonable argument as to how if Rooney is supposedly bad in creating chances he has so many assists from open play? The exact explanation. Because his assists are not a CF assists, like a knock offs or lay offs, either. Most of them are exactly great crosses, though balls and so on.
 
Jerch said:
But you expect from player like him to turn things around and do something. And he failed it again, the kid like Sterling who is unknown for people who don't watch premier league was 100 times better than him. You don't expect from Jagielka that he will turn the game around.
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Did England get anything out of it as a team though in the end? He obviously wasn't great but wasn't worst. Missed a simple chance, yes and should be disappointed with it but otherwise didn't do bad. If Roy has to play him, play in positions where he is good otherwise shouldn't. No point having him moving around all over the place and expect that he will be creating miracles.
 
He was poor, but he set up a goal. People are going way over the top because he's public scapegoat number one at the minute.
 
Sam said:
He's not going to accept not being the main man, let alone being dropped.



No one would pay the wages he gets at United. Not even PSG or City.
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True. But if LvG tells him he doesn't figure in his plans, which it seems he's quite capable of doing, Rooney's pride won't tolerate being a bit part player. So a compromise is likely to be found.
 
Sam said:
He's not going to accept not being the main man, let alone being dropped.
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Hasn't he agreed to play on left for England? He did his job decently when played in midfield to accommodate RvP in 2012-13. Which other striker will agree for it? Which other forward agrees to track back as much as he does and help out from defense? When on pitch, he is always looking to give his best. To me, sometimes he tries little too hard and that affects his game.
 
The Man Himself said:
Hasn't he agreed to play on left for England? He did his job decently when played in midfield to accommodate RvP in 2012-13. Which other striker will agree for it? Which other forward agrees to track back as much as he does and help out from defense? When on pitch, he is always looking to give his best. To me, sometimes he tries little too hard and that affects his game.
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He asked for a transfer after playing a few games in midfield in 12/13! He's hardly going to accept being played out of position on a full time basis is he?
 
Will Absolute said:
True. But if LvG tells him he doesn't figure in his plans, which it seems he's quite capable of doing, Rooney's pride won't tolerate being a bit part player. So a compromise is likely to be found.
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So he agrees to play on left for England but won't agree for United? He had problem being put as a midfielder in 2012-13. In LvG's system, he can be very good in the hole behind striker. Or alternatively, exchanging with Mata between left side man and the player in hole. I don't know if LvG allows players to switch positions during game that way.
 
Sam said:
He asked for a transfer after playing a few games in midfield in 12/13! He's hardly going to accept being played out of position on a full time basis is he?
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Again, that's because he was played as a midfielder! He is a fecking striker! Ask RvP to play as midfielder and see what happens. I know sounds ridiculous but coaches can ask Rooney and no one else to switch around because he can do that job. Doesn't mean he should be put anywhere. Playing on left in 4-3-3 still gives opportunity to score and create which he wants and something he is good at so he won't have problem with that. Also imagine what happens if RvP is injured. We need him.
 
I like Rooney, he's a very good player but it's baffling when people want us to sell RVP and keep him. The gulf in class between those two is incredible. His first touch is horrible at times, isn't a good #10, not a midfielder. He's a number 9 and should be played there, but we have someone for that position who is comfortably better than him. As for Hodgson, not sure what he was thinking playing Rooney on the left, shocking decision from an average manager!
 
The England system was horrible. For the last 3 years we have seen Rooney in a poor system that doesn't play to his strengths. Play him in a LVG system that is well thought out and you will see a consistently great player. Hodgson is shit, the system is shit, the performance is shit. Remember Moyes? The last time Rooney played in a top class system (10/11) he scored over 30 goals. But still blame the player not the fact he is asked to play for an idiot. I thought some of you would learn from Moyes and make you realise a system is as important as players.
 
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